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[Degs29]

Considering Miranda's thread has 18250 replies, far outstripping any other romance thread, is it really possible bioware would leave her out as a main character? To be honest, I can't see how they can bring back any less than every single squadmate from both games without causing angst with someone. I know that if I don't get to team up with ALL of my favourites in ME3, I'll be on some level disappointed. And it's a decent-sized list: Miranda, Liara, Thane, Garrus, Samara, Jacob...nah, just kidding on that last one. Honestly bioware, why'd you make so many damn characters if you weren't going to include them in the finale??? lol If that really is your intention....

[flemm]

Well, all these decisions were probably made easily a year ago, maybe more. As far as basic roles and plot flow.

Not that I'm really concerned. I'm actually the optimistic one around here (which continues to somewhat boggle my mind on occasion, as I don't normally play the role of sunny optimist).

Modifié par flemm, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:28 .

[naledgeborn]

I try not to think about it too much. A long time till March. Lots of things to do in between. So I just pass through occasionally and see if there's any new news.

And Miranda will get a sizable role. I'm not really concerned. The character's been pretty prolific since her inception. People around here are just worried that she won't be tagging along for 30 missions like in ME2.

[seirhart]

I just thought of something who here would want to help miranda to become the new leader of Cereberus, miranda can be called Illusive Lady and shepard can be the second in command or miranda can be second in command and shepard can be the new illusive man or illusive lady in charge of cereberus

[flemm]

seirhart wrote...

I just thought of something who here would want to help miranda to become the new leader of Cereberus, miranda can be called Illusive Lady and shepard can be the second in command or miranda can be second in command and shepard can be the new illusive man or illusive lady in charge of cereberus

I can confirm that some fans would like to help her do exactly that very thing 

Modifié par flemm, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[spirosz]

Degs29 wrote...

Considering Miranda's thread has 18250 replies, far outstripping any other romance thread, is it really possible bioware would leave her out as a main character? To be honest, I can't see how they can bring back any less than every single squadmate from both games without causing angst with someone. I know that if I don't get to team up with ALL of my favourites in ME3, I'll be on some level disappointed. And it's a decent-sized list: Miranda, Liara, Thane, Garrus, Samara, Jacob...nah, just kidding on that last one. Honestly bioware, why'd you make so many damn characters if you weren't going to include them in the finale??? lol If that really is your intention....

I believe every character will have a decent role and that specific role will be different depending on the gamer because of his or her choices. What I mean by that is say, Miranda is your LI, she might spend more time with your Shepard because of your choices and what going on between you and her, while still having a similiar mission (with some minor differences, depending on your choices; LI/Collector Base, etc). Yet for me specifically (not my LI), she will still be there, but may only be on the ship for her mission, or if we're able to recruit her for XO (which I believe should be an option). 

Sorry if that isn't explained well, just trying to state that I believe a character's role will be different depending on what happened in ME2. Yet I could be wrong because regardless of what we did in ME1, all the ME1 characters end up in the same position in ME2. 

Modifié par spiros9110, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:42 .

[jtav]

With the minor modification that I don't want Shep to take over Cerberus. Actually, I have a very hard time envisioning Shepard/Miranda post-Reapers. Liara/Miranda and Kaidan/Miranda both get the "Foundation" ending from the OP but I'm stumped for the canon pairing.

Edit: And I would be absolutely shocked if LI status added more than 1-2 conversations/scenes. It's just not an efficient use of resources.

Modifié par jtav, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:46 .

[naledgeborn]

Other than an obvious lack of suave what's stopping Shepard from taking the mantle of Illusive Man other than an indoctrinated Jack Harper? I would hope that Miranda would definitely get with that, er beside, or um on top of.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:50 .

[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...
People around here are just worried that she won't be tagging along for 30 missions like in ME2.

Personally, I just don't want to have to change my warp, overload and slam hotkeys...

Only reason I post here.

Modifié par flemm, 25 octobre 2011 - 02:51 .

[jtav]

Shepard is as subtle as a steamroller. Besides I want separate spheres of power, or for Shep to retire while Miranda holds the reins of power.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

Shepard is as subtle as a steamroller.

Lol. No arguments here. There would need to be extensive on the job training from Miranda. Or he could just lounge around in a robe and flip flops while she handles all the business on their transient space station. If it were me I'd get bored of the indefinite sabbatical... really quick.

[MisterJB]

Shepard can be subtle. Case in point, Kasumi's LM. It was her fault they were busted.

[Shotokanguy]

Shepard made the entire galaxy think he was dead for 2 years. That's the epitome of subtle.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Shepard is as subtle as a steamroller. Besides I want separate spheres of power, or for Shep to retire while Miranda holds the reins of power.

I sort of like the idea of Miranda becoming the Illusive Woman and taking over Cerberus while Shepard remains a Spectre. Mostly because I like the Dating Catwoman trope. Imagine the dinner conversation.

Shepard: You might want to tell Perseus Cell to quiet down a little. The office is thinking about sending someone in.

Miranda: (sighs) This isn't going to be like that time in the Caleston Rift is it?

Shepard: I said I was sorry.

Miranda: You were lucky that I had a backup copy of that cell's research, honestly can't you go anywhere without blowing something up?

Shepard: The Council was breathing down my neck, and besides this is why I warn you about these things. 

Miranda: Which I greatly appreciate.

[flemm]

LoL. Domestic bliss, Mass Effect style. Nicely done.

[naledgeborn]

That could work too.
Just no retirement.

[MisterJB]

No self-respecting Spectre leaves a building without blowing it up.
I could actually deal with Shepard retiring...as long as it is to become Alliance Admiral/Human Councilor.
Never has a Cerberus spy been placed so high, as far as we know.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 octobre 2011 - 04:05 .

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...

No self-respecting Spectre leaves a building without blowing it up.
I could actually deal with Shepard retiring...as long as it is to become Alliance Admiral/Human Councilor.
Never has a Cerberus spy been placed so high, as far as we know.

This is what I want in one of my playtrough, too. I'd prefer to return in the Alliance than become a member of the Council, if I have to choose Shep's retirement.

[seirhart]

For me I don't want to become a member of the alliance again, I'd rather shepard become a member of the council or just be a spectre but is no longer part of the alliance and never will be.

[Skullheart]

I wish to Shepard and Miranda to create a new organization. Something like SHIELD from Marvel. Or like the CTU from 24.

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...
wait, is there a specific flag that indicates Liara knows about ur romance with Miranda? And it's only checked off if u go LotSB BEFORE the SM?

No, there are two romance flags for the ME1 and ME2 romances and an LotSB-internal flag that remembers if you chose "I want to be with you". You only get "I want to be with you" if you romanced Liara in ME1, and so the following logic becomes possible:

If (any ME2 romance active) {   
     If (not chosen "I want to be with you") {
          enable extension to Liara's "What are you fighting for" line and a corresponding answer option
     }
}

The "bug", if you want, is that this doesn't trigger a romance conflict. The "call Miranda up" option and the picture in Shepard's cabin only check the ME2 romances, since they cannot know LotSB-internal flags. Mainly, the problem is technical: events in the main game can influence what happens in the DLC any way you want, but the ways events in the DLC can influence the main game are very limited.

Which results in the likely unintended but convenient situation that Shepard appears to be double-timing without anyone calling him out for it. Unintended because Bioware likely didn't want to make concurrent romances possible in ME2, convenient because ME1/ME2 romance conflicts are supposed to be resolved in ME3 and should remain both active.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 octobre 2011 - 07:20 .

[Ieldra]

About the difference between Cerberus, the STG and others that has been discussed on the previous pages, may I point to my thread The Spectres = The Council's Cerberus?, where I proposed that the difference lies mostly in presentation. Cerberus' "evil" is pushed into our faces at every turn while the Spectres' remains conveniently off-screen. There also seems to be a double standard at work suggesting that the deaths of a dozen people as collateral damage is perfectly fine while it's totally over the moral event horizon to use even one individual for experiments.

Ah...and picture time:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 octobre 2011 - 08:48 .

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

About the difference between Cerberus, the STG and others that has been discussed on the previous pages, may I point to my thread The Spectres = The Council's Cerberus?, where I proposed that the difference lies mostly in presentation. Cerberus' "evil" is pushed into our faces at every turn while the Spectres' remains conveniently off-screen. There also seems to be a double standard at work suggesting that the deaths of a dozen people as collateral damage is perfectly fine while it's totally over the moral event horizon to use even one individual for experiments.

Ah...and picture time:
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I agree with you, Ieldra. And while the STG could have a form of government control, the Spectre are free to do whatever they want, unless they go against the Council, or if they do something enourmous, like the destruction of a relay (though from the tweet about the Spectre status, it could be that Shepard will be treated a bit differently).

Off-topic, I am currently re-playing one of my two main Shepard. I don't remember if, after the Collectors's attack to the Normandy, we can do one mission before the Normandy's crew starts to die. I'd like to do Overlord after Legion's LM.

[Ieldra]

hhh89 wrote...
Off-topic, I am currently re-playing one of my two main Shepard. I don't remember if, after the Collectors's attack to the Normandy, we can do one mission before the Normandy's crew starts to die. I'd like to do Overlord after Legion's LM.

Sorry no grace period. You'll lose half the crew if you do one to three missions/assignments after the abduction. But: you can do up to two missions after Reaper IFF before the abduction happens. The only question is if you can activate Legion's LM directly after Reaper IFF if you have another mission open.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:54 .

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Off-topic, I am currently re-playing one of my two main Shepard. I don't remember if, after the Collectors's attack to the Normandy, we can do one mission before the Normandy's crew starts to die. I'd like to do Overlord after Legion's LM.

Sorry no grace period. You'll lose half the crew if you do one to three missions/assignments after the abduction. But: you can do up to two missions after Reaper IFF before the abduction happens. The only question is if you can activate Legion's LM directly after Reaper IFF if you have another mission open.

Thank you for the information. I don't think it's possible to activate Legion's mission directly with other missions open, and I'd want to save LOTSB and Arrival after the SM.
Oh well, I'm going to do Overlord before Legion's LM.