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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I just realized something!

The first " What are you currently listening to?" was locked because it was opened for 1 year. Stanley Woo said, "This thread has hit 1 year. Start it over, folks. End of line."

This thread started 4 months ago. Only 8 months left and then it's gone.:crying:

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I just realized something!

The first " What are you currently listening to?" was locked because it was opened for 1 year. Stanley Woo said, "This thread has hit 1 year. Start it over, folks. End of line."

This thread started 4 months ago. Only 8 months left and then it's gone.:crying:

I'll be surprised and dissapointed if eight months from now, the Miranda fan thread won't have been shut down multiple times due to the sheer size of it.

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If you haven't seen this yet:

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/128970791114121216

"Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to answer your questions! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A"

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But why? They know how popular this thread is, yet the don't. Are we under the mercy of tyrants?

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

If you haven't seen this yet:

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/128970791114121216

"Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to answer your questions! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A"


How? I tried tweeting to @masseffect once, but none of my tweets were seen. And I di not see the tweeted questions from other people. Was I in the wrong section?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:13 .


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The asari are the only 100% natural biotic race in the whole galaxy. Biotic superiority IS asari superiority.





I think the point of that post was to state this, put any other race with biotics vs an asari 1 on 1 and they'll be outmatched, even powerful ones like Wrex or Jack wouldn't be a match for an Asari Matriarch. Not to say all Asari are powerful biotics, but I'm assuming most would exceed other races because of their natural ability. 

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MisterJB wrote...

I made up a word? It's possible, english is not my first language. Which one?

Influentiate. You should have used plain old 'influence'.

It's not xenophobia. It's being a nationalist, it just so happens that the rival nations are other races.
No one suggested destroying the aliens or cut all trade contracts with them. But humanity should strive towards being the most advanced race militarily, culturally and economically. Cerberus exists to facilitate this and that's how it should remain.

Miranda has already indicated that a lot of people join Cerberus due to xenophobia. People like Kai Leng are exactly that, xenophobic in the extreme. Cerberus' methods pretty much invalidates any gains it may make for humanity because they turn the other species against humanity. Belligerance is not a position from which to influence galactic policy except on the path of domination. It certainly wasn't Cerberus that helped secure humanity a seat on the Council in less than hlaf a century.

Eraza was not a random asari, she was an important political figure that was gathering followers. She does not define the asari race but she proves that it should be watched as closely as any other.

Nowhere does the dossier say what her political signigicance or the level of her following was. It is one sentence about a criminal act perpetrated by a terrorist group on a citizen of an allied species. Her position is not indicative of asari opinion as a species and even if she had been gathering followers it did not merit what was done. It was an inexcusable assault and did nothing to help humanity in the slightest.

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:21 .


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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

If you haven't seen this yet:

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/128970791114121216

"Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to answer your questions! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A"


How? I tried tweeting to @masseffect once, but none of my tweets were seen. And I di not see the tweeted questions from other people. Was I in the wrong section?


just do @masseffect "whatever your question is" #CaseyQ&A


It will pop up, don't worry. 

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Vertigo_1 wrote...
"Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to answer your questions! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A"


Thanks, Vertigo. Guess I'll go ahead and tweet, just in case he feels like sharing Image IPB

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Athayniel wrote...
Miranda has already indicated that a lot of people join Cerberus due to xenophobia. People like Kai Leng are exactly that, xenophobic in the extreme.

Xenophobes have their uses and long as they can follow orders. It's not what Cerberus stands for, especially not if Miranda assumed leadership, and that's what matters.
 

Cerberus' methods pretty much invalidates any gains it may make for humanity because they turn the other species against humanity. Belligerance is not a position from which to influence galactic policy except on the path of domination.

And that's why it's very important that Cerberus remains free of government oversight. Holding humanity accountable for their actions will then be unfair.
Also, we certainly don't know enough to say that bad rep invalidates what Cerberus does. We would have to know exactly how much humanity gained thanks to Cerberus and then we'd have to compare it with what the bad rep cost us. And, ofc, we'd also have to take into consideration if being associated with the Council is truly the best option. 

It certainly wasn't Cerberus that helped secure humanity a seat on the Council in less than hlaf a century.
 

And much good that did us.

Nowhere does the dossier say what her political signigicance or the level of her following was.

That Cerberus chose to deal with her while they can ignore politicians like Joram Talid is telling.

It is one sentence about a criminal act perpetrated by a terrorist group on a citizen of an allied species. Her position is not indicative of asari opinion as a species and even if she had been gathering followers it did not merit what was done. It was an inexcusable assault and did nothing to help humanity in the slightest.


That matriarch was trying to turn the most powerful race in the galaxy against non-biotics which is the majority of mankind. Let's say that she became the asari representative on the Council. What then?
Cerberus eliminated a threat to the entire galaxy.

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 From what Miranda tells us, each individual Cerberus cell is essentially given free reign to carry out their work as long as TIM sees results from his investment. Also consider the fact that Miranda states that many join Cerberus "out of simple xenophobia".

So say the cell behind TRAPDOOR goes to TIM and requests funding for research into their biotic dampening drug. TIM thinks that it's a worthwhile investment and gives them the go ahead. TIM only seems to care about results, not about the process needed to acheive them. Or alternatively the cells don't always accurately report on what they're doing take Teltin for instance, the team's logs indicated that if he knew the whole story he would probably shut them down.

So the question is, does TIM know what's going on with his cells at all times and chooses to turn a blind eye? Or is he an incompetent leader who hides behind the plausible deniability of "rogue cells"? Or is he a tragic figure that set out to protect humanity only to end up serving those who would destroy it? (I can see Indoctrinated TIM muttering "The horror, the horror." as he dies in ME3) 

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Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

Personality. She ticks a lot of boxes for things I like in a villain, too. It would thrill me if she were still with Cerberus of her own will and working against Shepard. Since I won't get that, I want Cerberus reformed under her leadership. Meet the new boss, more capable but just as ruthless as the old boss.

Wait, sorry, wrong question. Do you hate the Paragon side because of personality or external circumstances?


Because it's not so cool...

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

If you haven't seen this yet:

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/128970791114121216

"Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to answer your questions! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A"


Thanks, I will try to ask questions about miranda:devil:

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

If you haven't seen this yet:

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/128970791114121216

"Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to answer your questions! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A"


More like:
Casey Hudson will be on BioWare TV this Thursday & he wants to avoid
answering your questions at all costs! Tweet your questions to @masseffect #CaseyQ&A


Every Q&A session so far has been quiet underwhelming.

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
This thread started 4 months ago. Only 8 months left and then it's gone.

What's the matter? Then we're going to make a new one. The ME2 thread went through three incarnations within about 18 months. 

Actually I don't like the way characters must be discussed around here because of the forum structure. I'd rather have a subforum for every character and a meaningful search function, so that we can have threads that don't vanish down the list within a few days.

I would like to discuss things like Miranda's genetic engineering, Miranda's ethics, Miranda's outfits, Miranda's romance etc.. in separate threads and have long-running debates about those topics, only starting such threads here is of absolutely no use since every thread nobody posts in for a few days is basically dead. 

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To step away from the all consuming ethics of Cerberus discussion - if Miranda does not end up running Cerberus post ME3 what else would be a good use of her abilities or would people like to see her doing?
Spectre?
ONI?
Human Councillor - that would be entertaining if incredibly unlikely
Research institute?

As I said personally I favour setting up a shadow government but I'm sure other people have other ideas....

Ideas around Miranda's genetic engineering would be very interesting - especially if it could be applied on a larger scale - couple it with ideas developed during Lazarus and life for the stagnant Council races gets significantly more exciting.

Modifié par paul165, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:29 .


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MisterJB wrote...

And that's why it's very important that Cerberus remains free of government oversight. Holding humanity accountable for their actions will then be unfair.
Also, we certainly don't know enough to say that bad rep invalidates what Cerberus does. We would have to know exactly how much humanity gained thanks to Cerberus and then we'd have to compare it with what the bad rep cost us. And, ofc, we'd also have to take into consideration if being associated with the Council is truly the best option.

Humanity will be held accountable. Cerberus is a pro-human terrorist organisation. Notice we hear nothing about any comparable groups from the other races, there is no pro-asari terrorist group experimenting on salaraians and turians. Frankly humanity is lucky races like the asari, who take the long view thanks to their lifespan, exist because I don't see the turians putting up with that crap for very long if they weren't being couciled to patience. As it is I believe the other races are looking to the Alliance to do something about Cerberus, treating it as an internal matter for now.

It certainly wasn't Cerberus that helped secure humanity a seat on the Council in less than hlaf a century.
 

And much good that did us.

Much good it did Shepard you mean. We don't know how much effect it has on humanity as a whole since it's only been two years, but humanity has a stake in the process now. Humanity is helping to shape the decisions and Cerberus was frankly just a hindrance.

Nowhere does the dossier say what her political signigicance or the level of her following was.

That Cerberus chose to deal with her while they can ignore politicians like Joram Talid is telling.

Well he wouldn't proveide a convenient and effective way to test their chemical weapon, and I can easily imagine TIM knowing about Thane's son. I can imagine TIM hiring Kolyat through Kelham. It isn't an unlikely scenario.

It is one sentence about a criminal act perpetrated by a terrorist group on a citizen of an allied species. Her position is not indicative of asari opinion as a species and even if she had been gathering followers it did not merit what was done. It was an inexcusable assault and did nothing to help humanity in the slightest.


That matriarch was trying to turn the most powerful race in the galaxy against non-biotics which is the majority of mankind. Let's say that she became the asari representative on the Council. What then?
Cerberus eliminated a threat to the entire galaxy.

That entire sentence smells of "if". If that's your criteria for "threat to the entire galaxy" then why isn't Cerberus cracking down on itself? Its activities could easily lead to a war between the Coucil races and humanity. Oh right... they'd probably welcome such a destructive war...

This is not the kind of operational goals Miranda should put up with if she does take charge, and frankly she would need to divest the organisation of much of that past, starting with a change in name and philosphy.

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:41 .


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paul165 wrote...

To step away from the all consuming ethics of Cerberus discussion - if Miranda does not end up running Cerberus post ME3 what else would be a good use of her abilities or would people like to see her doing?
Spectre?
ONI?
Human Councillor - that would be entertaining if incredibly unlikely
Research institute?

As I said personally I favour setting up a shadow government but I'm sure other people have other ideas....

Ideas around Miranda's genetic engineering would be very interesting - especially if it could be applied on a larger scale - couple it with ideas developed during Lazarus and life for the stagnant Council races gets significantly more exciting.


I'm a fan of the Prodigal. She kicks her father to the curb and takes over his corporate empire, setting it up as a competitor to Cerberus and taking it on until she absorbs it that way.  Two birds with one stone. Although it's an accountability nightmare. :lol:

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Okay so it's super-early in the morning, I'm writing a paper, and I'm just overtired enough to post this:

http://desmond.image....png&res=medium

The story behind this: Someone was fussing that Miranda had really masculine facial features. Curious, I decided to see what happened if I have her exaggeratedly feminine features (left image). But I decided that was way too easy, so I decided to exaggerate her masculine features as well. Hence, the image on the right. I shall call him... Mirmanda. Central image is the original obviously.

I regret nothing!

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So, I assume that there's no news of Miranda given the absolute lack of any actual discussion here and AdmiralCheez's epic timewasting pic?

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay so it's super-early in the morning, I'm writing a paper, and I'm just overtired enough to post this:

http://desmond.image....png&res=medium

The story behind this: Someone was fussing that Miranda had really masculine facial features. Curious, I decided to see what happened if I have her exaggeratedly feminine features (left image). But I decided that was way too easy, so I decided to exaggerate her masculine features as well. Hence, the image on the right. I shall call him... Mirmanda. Central image is the original obviously.

I regret nothing!


Is it just me or could the face on the left be Scarlett Johanssen with a larger nose?

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually I don't like the way characters must be discussed around here because of the forum structure. I'd rather have a subforum for every character and a meaningful search function, so that we can have threads that don't vanish down the list within a few days.

Same. The way it is now, any specific conversation is lost forever in a character's respective thread (read: shrine). And locking anything less-than-general just for it to be redirected to a
character's support thread isn't really promoting serious or continued
discussion. I'd venture to say that these characters deserve to be and could be talked about in more than one thread, but what do I know. 

Alas, every support thread is in some combination
  • Overwhelming
  • Cliquish
  • Thought-policed.


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paul165 wrote...
Ideas around Miranda's genetic engineering would be very interesting - especially if it could be applied on a larger scale - couple it with ideas developed during Lazarus and life for the stagnant Council races gets significantly more exciting.

Miranda has a curious love/hate relationship with her genetic enhancements. She appreciates them professionally and they give her more confidence to do her job while she has existential problems with them at the same time. Which is why I think these problems are mostly related to her upbringing - had her father treated her as a loved daughter, she'd be able to see that whatever his motivations might have been, the results are very much desirable. Whatever her genetic enhancements are, it's still she who achieves anything with them or not, and because of that she can credit for her achievements just as she must take responsibility for her failures.

Also, genetic enhancements appear to have been around for quite some time, and few people appear to have problems with that. Miranda is just an extreme case. And lastly, Miranda brought Shepard back to life. That's strangely reminescent of a parent/child relationship in some way. In a way, she now knows both sides of the human enhancements equation.

Because of all that, I think Miranda will be able to make peace with herself. After that, I think it's very possible that after ME3, she might be heading a research foundation, think tank, technology corporation or similar.organization specializing in human enhancement technologies including things like offshoots of Lazarus, genetic engineering, maybe even adapting Reaper technology to those goals. It's exactly what I think would appeal to her - a kind of human advancement untouched by politics and by its very nature, untainted by xenophobia.

This is one of the often-mentioned possible scenarios for Miranda, named "The Foundation" (see OP). It's possible she'll be using Cerberus resources for that or her father's fortune after inheriting it.

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who would know wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually I don't like the way characters must be discussed around here because of the forum structure. I'd rather have a subforum for every character and a meaningful search function, so that we can have threads that don't vanish down the list within a few days.

Same. The way it is now, any specific conversation is lost forever in a character's respective thread (read: shrine). And locking anything less-than-general just for it to be redirected to a
character's support thread isn't really promoting serious or continued
discussion. I'd venture to say that these characters deserve to be and could be talked about in more than one thread, but what do I know. 

Alas, every support thread is in some combination
  • Overwhelming
  • Cliquish
  • Thought-policed.

 


Okay so was not the only person with that feeling... sometimes there is really not discussion going on here and no real exchange of varying veiw points.