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[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...
I actually like JB's scenario of Shepard and Miranda finding baby Miranda 3.0 and deciding to raise it. Carries more weight than a cure IMO.

Yeah, nice idea MisterJB.

I do wonder whether we might meet more than one Miranda in ME3, somewhere along the way.

[Athayniel]

CrutchCricket wrote...

In a world where you can literaly raise the dead, you're telling me you can't circumvent whatever a "benign neoplasm" is? I would hate for the writers to ignore in-game science and basic logic for the sake of literary devices. Whether it's an outright cure or a workaround, it is far more plausible that Miranda can beat this infertility if she wants to. And there is evidence that she wants to.

We'll just have to diagree on the suitability of a happy ending. Although I did have this idea some time ago of Miranda actually getting a kid but finding out that for some reason I haven't worked out yet she can't actually raise it.  So Oriana takes it. Feel free to rip this apart, I'm not particularly attached to it.

Instead of immaculate conception I think Ieldra is more digusted by the prospect of Shepard's magic sperm. Ieldra wants any pregnancy that Miranda has to be a result of "Science!" as opposed to Space Jesus.

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[Labrev]

So I'm thinking here, Miranda said she'll "live half again as long as the average human."

In ME world, avg. human lives to 150. So we're talking... 225?? O.O

[flemm]

Athayniel wrote...

Instead of immaculate conception I think Ieldra is more digusted by the prospect of Shepard's magic sperm. Ieldra wants any pregnancy that Miranda has to be a result of "Science!" as opposed to Space Jesus.

The only scenario I can think of like that would be something Lazarus Project-related. Even that would be science-based, though, at least to a point. Anyway, I doubt it, and I hope not.

[naledgeborn]

I'm guessing jtav will be picking the bottom right choice on the dialogue wheel. 

[General User]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

So I'm thinking here, Miranda said she'll "live half again as long as the average human."

In ME world, avg. human lives to 150. So we're talking... 225?? O.O

That's my understanding.  North of 200 at the very least.

Modifié par General User, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:23 .

[The Uncanny]

General User wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

So I'm thinking here, Miranda said she'll "live half again as long as the average human."

In ME world, avg. human lives to 150. So we're talking... 225?? O.O

North of 200 at the very least.

I've always assumed 250 (approximately).

[CrutchCricket]

Athayniel wrote...
Instead of immaculate conception I think Ieldra is more digusted by the prospect of Shepard's magic sperm. Ieldra wants any pregnancy that Miranda has to be a result of "Science!" as opposed to Space Jesus.

The Space Jesus aspect is more of a metaphor than any real plot-affecting factor. Shepard may be the hero of the galaxy and all that but in ME1 he's just a dude, and in ME2 he's a sort of undead cybernetically-enhanced dude. None of that makes him a physical god. I doubt the writers are that lame.

Note: Good aversion of this is done already with Morinth if you bring her aboard and decide to "do her". Think Shepard's too "special" to fall prey to an ardat-yakshi? BAM! Too Stupid to Live.

Funny sidenote: If it does turn out that Shepard is the only one that can get Miranda pregnant as she is, it's still Science! since she put him back together and for reasons known only in the dark mind of the writer, gave him cybernetic sperm.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Funny sidenote: If it does turn out that Shepard is the only one that can get Miranda pregnant as she is, it's still Science! since she put him back together and for reasons known only in the dark mind of the writer, gave him cybernetic sperm.

That's basically what I was referring to above, yeah 

It would be like a side-effect of the Lazarus Project. So, in a roundabout way, Miranda would be responsable for it herself. I dunno. I guess it's possible that's where the writers are going with it. It has occurred to me a time or two.

Modifié par flemm, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:28 .

[jtav]

In which case, I never romance her, ever again.

[General User]

The Uncanny wrote...

General User wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

So I'm thinking here, Miranda said she'll "live half again as long as the average human."

In ME world, avg. human lives to 150. So we're talking... 225?? O.O

North of 200 at the very least.

I've always assumed 250 (approximately).

Something I like to consider is that Miranda's modifications are all top of the line.  She represents the best human science can produce as of that time, but that's a frontier that keeps getting pushed back.

In just a few decades time human beings in Mass Effect could easily be expected to live to 300 or more.

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah it's just a bad joke. I doubt the writers would dick with us to that extent when so many other options are available. But what do you guys think of the Miranda-Grunt connection I brought up? I hope it'll at least be commented on in ME3, particularly if Grunt returns and Miranda still has issues with her origins.

[jtav]

"We're lucky if we hit 150." So, 200-ish?

[The Uncanny]

Mr.X.Pen wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

I've always assumed 250 (approximately).

Actully 225 is right because half of 150 is 75 and just add that. But tech advances may say longer.

Yes, but my assumption was based on that 'half again' comment being a ballpark figure. I rather doubt it was meant to be taken too literally.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:43 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Yeah it's just a bad joke. I doubt the writers would dick with us to that extent when so many other options are available.

 
I sort of doubt it, too. It's just one of the possibilities that comes to mind.

CrutchCricket wrote...
But what do you guys think of the Miranda-Grunt connection I brought up?

Dr. Doctor did a pretty awesome dialog on this a while back. There's some interesting similarities there.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
But what do you guys think of the Miranda-Grunt connection I brought up?

Dr. Doctor did a pretty awesome dialog on this a while back. There's some interesting similarities there.

Yeah I figured this wasn't a new revelation for the thread. Do you remember the page number?

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Yeah I figured this wasn't a new revelation for the thread. Do you remember the page number?

All possible Miranda realities have been explored in the thread. It's like the main crossroads of the Miranda multiverse

Unsurprisingly, I don't know the page # offhand, but I'll try to find it later when I have a moment. I do think you'd enjoy it.

Modifié par flemm, 26 octobre 2011 - 05:08 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Wait maybe I missed something but how is Miranda "discarded as unfit"? She ran away, her father tried pursuing her and she needed Cerberus to protect her from him. Only when he couldn't have her did Oriana come into play.
That reminds me, Miranda was engineered from her father's DNA but she wasn't the first. So there were more "rejected copies". This sounds a lot like Okeer building his krogan legacy. Wonder if they're in any way related or what Okeer and Mr. Lawson would have to say to each other (you know, if Okeer was still alive) and conversely what Miranda and Grunt might talk about. We at least know enough of Grunt to know he might care the less out of any of them. Actually come to think of it Grunt can be used as a "get over it" example for Miranda's own doubts about her past.

Miranda says "she was meant to replace me". The timeline is non-existent for these events, but I always assumed that Miranda took Oriana with her when she ran away. Oriana was a baby when she took her, and Miranda was 16 when Oriana was born. It all fits very well. In that case, "was meant to replace me" likely meant that Oriana was to be brought up differently as to more closely become what their father intended. Oriana can't be genetically improved since they're identical.

As for Grunt - getting over it by not thinking at all isn't exactly what I'd expect Miranda to do. Also, he found purpose in joining Urdnot, and that was enough for him. For Miranda joining Cerberus is just a step of the way.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Miranda says "she was meant to replace me". The timeline is non-existent for these events, but I always assumed that Miranda took Oriana with her when she ran away.

I've always felt the dialog with Niket fits better if the two moments are distinct, i.e. Miranda ran away, and later came back for Oriana.

I also think that fits better with what she says earlier about being the first daughter her father kept.

I guess either is possible, though.

Modifié par flemm, 26 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Funny sidenote: If it does turn out that Shepard is the only one that can get Miranda pregnant as she is, it's still Science! since she put him back together and for reasons known only in the dark mind of the writer, gave him cybernetic sperm.

That is the dreaded "Cured by Shepard's super sperm" scenario. If we get that, I'll go back to ME2 and cut off the romance at the promise scene. In all my games (imagines puking all over the carpet).

Any solution to Miranda's infertility absolutely must be medical and/or scientific and not accidental. Possibilities include cure by regular medical tech, cure by Lazarus offshoot or a combination of artificial gametogenesis and IVF including possibly some of her father's technology. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 octobre 2011 - 05:22 .

[The Uncanny]

[Lenimph]

The Uncanny wrote...

*snip*

Awww very cute 

[flemm]

Simplest and most elegant outcome of the whole infertility thing is simply Miranda genetically engineering her children like her father did, more or less, but without the domineering intent. That would be meaningful for the character without any sort of bizarre plot twist, and presumably the issue would only be addressed if the question of children were raised by the player via dialog options (so, avoidable for players who are not interesting in children).

So, I could see that working.

Modifié par flemm, 26 octobre 2011 - 05:26 .