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[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
An interesting aspect ist that she's still loyal to TIM at this point. No hint of any lingering doubt here....  

I don't think you can infer that from one line that is very neutral and is, ultimately, about Shepard and not TIM.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

I don't think you can infer that from one line that is very neutral and is, ultimately, about Shepard and not TIM.

I tend to agree. I don't think it speaks that strongly to the question of her loyalty to TIM. jtav is probably right that the main point is Miranda's own changed perspective.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I don't think she was. Honey traps to switch allegiance have a significant risk of backfiring, which is why most of them are actually blackmail scams. Far more likely it's a call back to her earliest scenes, where she questions how worthwhile Shep is. He passed her test, not TIM's. And the sex was not to "blow off steam" for me. I'm actually fairly conservative and romantic. I'll do it right or not at all.

I agree that does make sense.

Despite the fact that I hate Miranda testing Shep at a time like this only slighty less than I do TIM testing Shep, I'll still point out that this could've been achieved with something along the lines of "Thinking of the mission even at the cost of your own satisfaction? I was wrong about you, Shepard. I'll keep you informed of mission status". This would've conveyed the desire, the test, everything with none of the stigma.
Also, I'm not questioning whether there are feelings behind the sex. But not doing it still maintains the tension that would've been released otherwise, tension that can be distracting during the mission, possibly fatally so. I'm questioning the strategic value of this decision not the romantic.

[jtav]

I think you're parsing her words overmuch, since TIM is the one she's discussing Shep mwith in the first scene.

As for the tension being a distraction, two things: "In Real Life, sex before a strenuous or stressful activity is usually not encouraged because of the energy that sex supposedly uses up" (TVTropes). Second, I'm not looking to blow off steam here. That's not what sex is for in my view.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

I think you're parsing her words overmuch, since TIM is the one she's discussing Shep mwith in the first scene.

As for the tension being a distraction, two things: "In Real Life, sex before a strenuous or stressful activity is usually not encouraged because of the energy that sex supposedly uses up" (TVTropes). Second, I'm not looking to blow off steam here. That's not what sex is for in my view.

That's fine for the first scene but this is supposed to be about them alone, nothing else.

Good point and nice use of TVTropes. However Joker mentions they have a few hours before they hit the relay. It's arguable that there's enough time to recover physically (I doubt any of them would be able to sleep anyway except maybe Grunt).
I understand that's your view and thus your Shepard's view in your game. But is it Miranda's? And even if it isn't if it can be proven that apart from physical strain, sex does relieve tension that would otherwise distract, the tactical question still stands.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
 And even if it isn't if it can be proven that apart from physical strain, sex does relieve tension that would otherwise distract, the tactical question still stands.

Well, "never before the big game" is a cliché for a reason. So I don't think there's much of an argument there one way or the other. I think it's more about their relationship and how its evolved, despite Mordin's earlier comments, which are mostly jocular in tone anyway.

Modifié par flemm, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:11 .

[jtav]

And to me, it makes more emotional sense to hold off. Your mileage may vary. But it works for me.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I read this differently. She reverts to professional mode here, accepts that they have something to do before they can indulge their mutual attraction.

Disagree, tone of voice is still seductive, hence the perceived possibility of* seduction trap hypothesis. A reversion to professional mode would've included adopting normal tone. Would've likely been too jarring to do in one line and in such a short time span, therefore even from flow reasons, line doesn't work.

Regarding "tactical soundness" question, establishing this:

apart from physical strain, sex does relieve tension that would otherwise distract

requires proof outside the game and I don't feel like looking it up. So I'll leave it alone. May come back to it later.

*Edited for clarity.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:56 .

[jtav]

Or, she could just be flirting with her boyfriend. Considering her extreme reluctance to establish a sexual relationship in the first place, I don't find your hypothesis convincing.

[CrutchCricket]

I didn't say I bought the seduction trap hypothesis. I believe flemm suggested that first. I just said her tone of voice suggested that interpretation to us in the first place.

*edited for clarity.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:55 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I didn't say I bought the seduction trap hypothesis. I believe flemm suggested that first. I just said her tone of voice suggested that interpretation to us in the first place.

*edited for clarity.

I did, in passing. Though, upon further consideration, I think jtav's interpretation really makes more sense.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

When is the Q&A?

[flemm]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

When is the Q&A?

A bit later today, I believe, though I wouldn't hold my breathe for any actual news.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm ready. I'm gonna ask many many questions.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I'm ready. I'm gonna ask many many questions.

Good. I hope you'll ask about Miranda. I'm burned out on Q&As, they never tell me what I want to know. So....I don't care and I'll await others' reports instead of asking for myself.

[CrutchCricket]

Is this that twitter thing? Dislike twitter myself but hopefully we'll get something good. Wait weren't the answers supposed to be broadcasted or something? I'd be more interested in when that's going down.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 octobre 2011 - 05:02 .

[jtav]

Finished my runthrough. No One Left Behind. Don't make me regret that, Bioware. And this was how it ended, no engine room scene required:



Do I love the romance? Well, no. But I'm invested in my headcanon version, managed to mostly enjoy myself, and want James and Miranda to be happy. I suppose that's enough. An interesting thing that will probably get Ieldra to yell at me, but I feel I should own up to: Miranda has become his emotional and moral center. James was pretty much a SI, and like his player, has sunk into misanthropy. The galaxy could burn...except that would mean she burns too. It's her ideals he fights for now, and she has to be idealist and conscience enough for both of them.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I think the Q&A already happened. A Q&A is repeating on BW TV. :'(

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Is Battlefield 3 the ONLY way to play the ME3 Demo for PC? D:

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
An interesting thing that will probably get Ieldra to yell at me, but I feel I should own up to: Miranda has become his emotional and moral center. James was pretty much a SI, and like his player, has sunk into misanthropy. The galaxy could burn...except that would mean she burns too. It's her ideals he fights for now, and she has to be idealist and conscience enough for both of them.

Why would I yell at you for that? It's how at least one of my Shepards feels as well, though perhaps not quite that strongly. I can empathize very much with that state of mind. Even my main Shepard has something of it, since the events have seriously dented his belief that humanity and the rest of the galaxy is worth saving. Miranda has helped restore it, but his belief in human advancement will never be the same as before. He'll be more Renegade in ME3 and won't suffer idiots in charge anymore. He wishes he'd killed the Council when he had the opportunity, and will do anything to break people's comfortable delusions.      

[Prudii Aden]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Is Battlefield 3 the ONLY way to play the ME3 Demo for PC? D:

No, it's not. You'll get early multiplayer access if you've BF3 (or done one of the other TBA methods), but single player doesn't require any purchase. I'd check the ME3 Demo FAQ if I were you - http://social.biowar...index/8554052/1

[Ieldra]

Watched the Q&A. More non-answers, as expected. Though Casey Hudson stressed again that squadmates will be doing their own thing, so my hope for having Miranda for a significant portion of the game is at a low.

**Thinks some more of killing Garrus and Tali. That's always comforting**

[jtav]

Well, it does sort of turn her into a really twisted version of the Chick, because she's now his moral compass. And before you ask, I kept the base. Miranda didn't say a word I also got the mutual saving each other. One thing I really loved about this playthrough was that it really felt like they were joint leaders of the SM.





See what I mean.

[CrutchCricket]

Damn it I was getting lunch.

So no worthwhile specifics were mentioned?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Prudii Aden wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Is Battlefield 3 the ONLY way to play the ME3 Demo for PC? D:

No, it's not. You'll get early multiplayer access if you've BF3 (or done one of the other TBA methods), but single player doesn't require any purchase. I'd check the ME3 Demo FAQ if I were you - http://social.biowar...index/8554052/1

I can downlod the demo here right, on BSN? Or Mass Effect.com?