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[jtav]

Well, I for one would like a more sensitive Shep. It's the main reason I have to headcanon so much of the romance. Canon!Shep is a lousy catch.

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I admit that it would be interesting to have Miranda pop up on missions sort of like River Song. For instance having a mission where your staging an assault on a Cerberus base only to find that Miranda and her own squad got there first.

I've always liked the concept where Miranda is leading her own team, and you just cross paths frequently. Seems a bit far-fetched, but it's hard to rule anything out where Miranda is concerned.

jtav wrote...

Well, I for one would like a more sensitive Shep. It's the main reason I have to headcanon so much of the romance. Canon!Shep is a lousy catch.

I don't see any reason why the word "love" shouldn't be involved. In fact, I think it should, as an option. Doesn't preclude other options. I prefer the idea of two different romance paths myself, one that is more... recreational, for lack of a better word, and one that is more emotional.

Modifié par flemm, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:18 .

[naledgeborn]

Love is good when appropriate. Final battle, oh my god, we're all gonna die, it's a good idea to get it out of your system before the inevitable plunge.  When She sprung it on Shep in ME2 I felt blindsided. I asked myself, really? Not that it's a bad thing, but damn her emotional response must be faster than a Salarian's.

But I'm thinking it's more the case of flawed pacing and less of a character "flaw".

[jtav]

Flawed pacing. My main problem with her emotion is that Shep can't be as intense. Come on, would it kill him to admit he's scared of losing her?

[Skullheart]

Well,Miranda is the one who said "don't die". We know that she doesn't want to lose him, but what about Shep?

[naledgeborn]

Mark "the brick" Meer will never be intense unless it's plot related. But I don't know if in your case it speaks to the acting or the writing.

[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...

Love is good when appropriate. Final battle, oh my god, we're all gonna die, it's a good idea to get it out of your system before the inevitable plunge.  When She sprung it on Shep in ME2 I felt blindsided. I asked myself, really? Not that it's a bad thing, but damn her emotional response must be faster than a Salarian's.

But I'm thinking it's more the case of flawed pacing and less of a character "flaw".

You're referring to the "...what hormones decided it was good time for love..." line, or whatever it is, exactly? If so, I dunno... I think it's just a way of saying "a good time for getting romantically involved." Obviously, there is emotional involvement there, but I don't think she's saying "I am head over heels in love with you already."

Which is why she doesn't really care if Shep laughs it off.

ME2 is just the beginning of the relationship, really. At least that's how I tend to read it.

Modifié par flemm, 27 octobre 2011 - 11:03 .

[jtav]

I'm inclined to think writing. LOTSB Liara romance is fine.

[jtav]

I did an alternate version of the SM where I killed Garrus, Grunt, and Tali. More to the point, I slept with Miranda. Kasumi only makes her engine room comment if you sleep with her. So, there's a flag for that, too.

[Dr. Doctor]

If Shepard's banter with Liara in LOTSB is any indication of what Meer's performance will be like in ME3 then I'm expecting a little more emotional range. ME2 also lacks the whole personality system that DA2 had, part of what made Hawke an interesting PC is that he/she had a persona developed by the responses you choose, if that could be integrated into ME3 somehow that could fix the issues I have with M!Shepard's voice acting.

I can't really compare Meer's VA work to Hale's however. She's voiced characters like Shepard before, heck my Spacer Femshep is based off Juni from the game Freelancer, who is voiced by Hale. (skip to 4:10)

[Vertigo_1]

I'm hoping he is more emotional in delivering his lines. Once again they said he/she would be...we just don't have any proof aside from the child in the vent scene...

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I did an alternate version of the SM where I killed Garrus, Grunt, and Tali. More to the point, I slept with Miranda. Kasumi only makes her engine room comment if you sleep with her. So, there's a flag for that, too.

I can only hope there's enough Miranda material in ME3 for this stuff to matter...

Maybe we'll get 6 different versions of Miranda's mission

On the sorta bright side, with all these mediocre MP reviews pouring in, I could see PR deciding to pick up the pace on the marketing in other areas.

Modifié par flemm, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Homebound]

i hope miri/jack have a romance if neither get manced by shepard.

[jtav]

Give me Miranda/Liara any day. But I think the only realistic option is Miranda/Jacob.

I really want a peek at Miranda. A non-spoiler screenshot would be heaven.

[flemm]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i hope miri/jack have a romance if neither get manced by shepard.

I'd be cool with it. I admit, as somebody who's a fan of both characters, I'd like there to be some sort of... understanding reached if they both survive the SM and meet again somewhere in the middle of ME3.

Romance between them would not be high on my list of desired outcomes, but I could see it. They're a lot alike, really. That's always been my impression anyway. A friendly rivalry or begrudging respect would be my first thoughts.

jtav wrote...

Give me Miranda/Liara any day. But I think the only realistic option is Miranda/Jacob.

Has there been any suggestion on the dev side of things that squad members might get involved with each other if unromanced by Shep? Just curious, because this topic comes up from time to time, yet it strikes me as something that would be unlikely to make it into the game. Unnecessary, a bit impractical, and pretty devoid of meaning, really, for the player.

Modifié par flemm, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:24 .

[jtav]

They've done it in the past. I doubt it would be anything major, just a few lines. And it is meaningful. It makes the characters seem more real. I can find you several Miranda/Jacob shippers, especially off BSN.

[MisterJB]

Personally, I don't like Miranda/Jack. I like both characters (for completely different reasons) and a friendly rivalry or begrudging respect between them I can see, but I never liked the whole "they hate each other, must be sexual tension" idea.
Miranda/Jacob or Miranda/Liara would make more sense.


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flemm wrote...
Has there been any suggestion on the dev side of things that squad members might get involved with each other if unromanced by Shep? Just curious, because this topic comes up from time to time, yet it strikes me as something that would be unlikely to make it into the game. Unnecessary, a bit impractical, and pretty devoid of meaning, really, for the player.

DA2 had it but, to be honest, ME3 just seems to already have too much to deal with.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

They've done it in the past. I doubt it would be anything major, just a few lines. And it is meaningful. It makes the characters seem more real. I can find you several Miranda/Jacob shippers, especially off BSN.

Well, I didn't mean to suggest that it would be meaningless to everyone. Moreso that the main focus of the game is having all the relationships revolve around the player character. I guess something like that could be a part of some characters' friendship paths, though. Like, at some point, they confide in you. Could be interesting.

Edit: Wow, that's great JB, thanks for posting.

Modifié par flemm, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:45 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I sort of get the feeling that Miranda and Jack are going to have a sort of Aveline/Isabela dynamic in ME3:

Jack: So Cerberus went and stabbed you in the back?

Miranda: (rolls eyes) Yes Jack they did, you were right about them and I was wrong.

Jack: Could have told you- wait what did you just say?

Miranda: That you were right, it's a shocking concept I know.

Jack: You indoctrinated or something because there's no ****ing way the cheerleader I know would never say that.

Miranda: Perhaps I am indoctrinated, who knows I may start complimenting you on a regular basis.

Jack: Damn Lawson, I think I liked you better when you were a Cerberus ******.

Miranda: And I liked you better when you were frozen in a block of ice, but beggars can't be choosers.

[flemm]

LoL, Dr. Doctor, I was going to quibble with some of that, but then the last line totally cracked me up.

The whole Miranda/Jack thing could be really interesting. I hope there's at least one good, solid scene between them that is like a reward for bringing them both through the suicide mission alive. More would be nice.

There's a lot of ways it could go, really. A lot of them pretty ironic. Miranda at war with Cerberus. Maybe even captured and tortured or experimented on by Cerberus. There's really no way Miranda could look at Jack the same way again after that.

Modifié par flemm, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:53 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I sort of get the feeling that Miranda and Jack are going to have a sort of Aveline/Isabela dynamic in ME3:

Jack: So Cerberus went and stabbed you in the back?

Miranda: (rolls eyes) Yes Jack they did, you were right about them and I was wrong.

Jack: Could have told you- wait what did you just say?

Miranda: That you were right, it's a shocking concept I know.

Jack: You indoctrinated or something because there's no ****ing way the cheerleader I know would never say that.

Miranda: Perhaps I am indoctrinated, who knows I may start complimenting you on a regular basis.

Jack: Damn Lawson, I think I liked you better when you were a Cerberus ******.

Miranda: And I liked you better when you were frozen in a block of ice, but beggars can't be choosers.

You tell her Miri:wub:. Don't let jack push you around Miri:wub:.

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
Miranda at war with Cerberus. Maybe even captured and tortured or experimented on by Cerberus. There's really no way Miranda could look at Jack the same way again after that.

I disagree. I don't think being tortured by Cerberus would change Miranda except, of course, the way she looks at the organization. Miranda already acknowledges that Teltin was a mistake, going through it would not make her empathize more with Jack than what she already does. It's not like Miranda was sheltered during her 20 years with Cerberus, she must be accostumed to pain.

There is one evidence to the contrary, though. "After seeing it first hand,..." regarding the humans in the Collector pods. But, well, different situations.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:02 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
I disagree. I don't think being tortured by Cerberus would change Miranda except, of course, the way she looks at the organization. Miranda already acknowledges that Teltin was a mistake, going through it would not make her empathize more with Jack than what she already does. It's not like Miranda was sheltered during her 20 years with Cerberus, she must be accostumed to pain.

There is one evidence to the contrary, though. "After seeing it first hand,..." regarding the humans in the Collector pods. But, well, different situations.

I dunno. I think you may not be giving sufficient weight to actual experience there. Miranda has certainly experienced various forms of hardship... No doubt various kinds of at least psychological abuse from ther father, physical pain as a Cerberus operative... And that would explain why she would find what was done to Jack repugnant (which she does already).

But, I still think that being a prisoner of Cerberus, and perhaps being subjected to torture, etc., by them, would have a pretty big impact.

Modifié par flemm, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:08 .

[jtav]

I almost shudder to think how this will turn out, but here goes:

After you keep the base, Miranda says she hopes whatever Cerberus found in the base was worth it. Not we, Cerberus. She no longer identifies herself with them. So I wonder if she might say that it was Cerberus that was responsible for Teltin now.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I almost shudder to think how this will turn out, but here goes:

After you keep the base, Miranda says she hopes whatever Cerberus found in the base was worth it. Not we, Cerberus. She no longer identifies herself with them. So I wonder if she might say that it was Cerberus that was responsible for Teltin now.

Well, I hope so. Because it was. Maybe not fully, in the sense that the individuals involved may very well have taken their own initiative, but that was always a rationalisation in the pejorative sense. If an organisation is setting the stage for that sort of thing to happen, not once, but repeatedly, then that organisation is responsable. Miranda was always going to get her wake-up call at some point.

The only way, "Not Cerberus, not really" was ever going to be true is if Miranda herself makes it true in the long run (by changing the way the organisation works).

Modifié par flemm, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:15 .