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[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Legion might be better classed as an Infiltrator. And you still need someone with Incinerate.

For the first part, doesn't really matter either way (though aren't his powers all tech?). As for Incinerate, I don't think that's really mandatory tbh. I suppose Kaidan might have it.

Modifié par flemm, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:51 .

[shepskisaac]

classes don't matter for squaddies that may be dead, including Miranda. BioWare needs to prepare the team to have basic professions covered even in worst case scenario/combination/variable. That means they need squaddies that are guaranteed to be in everyone's game. Only Vega & Liara are like that so far, covering biotic & soldier professions (and Vega also fills in for Krogan tanks). There needs to be a new, guaranteed technician in the team in case Tali (and maybe also Legion) are dead. Prothy doesn't count either since if he's DLC, not everyone will have him.

If the team has guaranteed squaddies of 3 main professions (biotic, soldier/tank, tech expert), then I think it would be enough. I don't think cross-over classes are essential. Garrus, an infiltrator (soldier + tech) could be unrecruited in ME1,

[flemm]

IsaacShep wrote...
If the team has guaranteed squaddies of 3 main professions (biotic, soldier/tank, tech expert), then I think it would be enough. I don't think cross-over classes are essential. Garrus, an infiltrator (soldier + tech) could be unrecruited in ME1,

Well, Legion may be in everyone's games in some form, since he's more of a manifestation of the Geth than an individual. So, that would be that.

Even so, it's unclear whether having a tech expert will really matter in ME3. It matters in ME2 because of the SM, but that's about it, really.

Edit: In passing, I think the overall class distribution does actually matter, in the sense that the game would provide a new player with an appropriately diverse set of options.

Modifié par flemm, 29 octobre 2011 - 07:19 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hang on maybe I missed something here but why is everyone assuming a Prothean squadmate? I don't see how that would be possible. If there's some other huge thread where this has been discussed, could someone just summarize?

[Vertigo_1]

I wouldn't count on ME2 DLC characters appearing in ME3...just saying.
So the number I think would be between 6 & 10

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 29 octobre 2011 - 07:40 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hang on maybe I missed something here but why is everyone assuming a Prothean squadmate? I don't see how that would be possible. If there's some other huge thread where this has been discussed, could someone just summarize?

Well, as I recall, a line about a Collector's Edition-specific squad member, a Prothean, was included somewhere in the marketing for the CE when that was first announced. Line was later pulled and referred to as a mistake. Which is probably true insofar as they didn't mean to include it there, but it's highly likely the character exists somewhere, quite possibly as a DLC character.

I've always found it a bit odd that a Prothean would be DLC, though, it must be said. Seems like such a character would have a plot function and be more like Legion in ME2, i.e. the "surprise" twist squad member that you get late in the game. So I think that might also be possible. Though it's harder to explain how the character would end up in the CE marketing if that's true. DLC makes more sense from that point of view.

Modifié par flemm, 29 octobre 2011 - 07:49 .

[Ieldra]

IsaacShep wrote...
classes don't matter for squaddies that may be dead, including Miranda. BioWare needs to prepare the team to have basic professions covered even in worst case scenario/combination/variable. That means they need squaddies that are guaranteed to be in everyone's game. Only Vega & Liara are like that so far, covering biotic & soldier professions (and Vega also fills in for Krogan tanks). There needs to be a new, guaranteed technician in the team in case Tali (and maybe also Legion) are dead. Prothy doesn't count either since if he's DLC, not everyone will have him.

If the team has guaranteed squaddies of 3 main professions (biotic, soldier/tank, tech expert), then I think it would be enough. I don't think cross-over classes are essential. Garrus, an infiltrator (soldier + tech) could be unrecruited in ME1,

Also I'm not convinced that all powers must be covered by a permanent team member. It's more the other way round: there must be enough powers that team members can have individual skillsets with little overlap. And team members often aren't exact matches for the classes, for instance Liara had tech skills in ME1 and Tali is an Engineer but has a shotgun. 

So the team member speculation is not well grounded, apart from the need for an Engineer-like one. That would be a new one I guess. Perhaps we'll get a batarian engineer.

@CrutchCricket:
Regarding the Prothean, there was a leak revealing a mission called "The Prothean". But it is unclear whether that refers to someone who can become a team member.

Edit:
Here's one more speculation: we won't get a new human female LI. That's because the existing ones have all been reasonably popular, which cannot be said for all male LIs. Which is why we'll get a new male human LI (has anything been said about Vega?). We might not get a new human female team member at all, which is of course what I'm hoping for.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 octobre 2011 - 08:04 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

So the team member speculation is not well grounded, apart from the need for an Engineer-like one. That would be a new one I guess. Perhaps we'll get a batarian engineer.

It's partly speculation, partly deduction, given that a dev stated that "all 57 powers are in the game."

3 unique powers per class = 18 total

19 base powers, with Unity (same as Me2)

Leaving 20 unique powers for the squad, 2 per squad member. 

That would mean 9 squad slots, since the VS takes up two sets of powers. (Though we can't rule out another slot working like the VS.)

Ieldra2 wrote...
Here's one more speculation: we won't get a new human female LI.

I don't think so either. Not on the squad anyway. Several reasons, including the one you state. The others being that the VS occupies the role normally reserved for the main new human female, and such a character would very likely be featured in the marketing and/or be built up in advance. Instead it's Vega and sexy new femshep (for the first time), and Aria in the comics. No way to be sure, but I think at this point it's increasingly unlikely, especially when you add in Casey Hudson's comments this past spring about playing the ME1 and ME2 LIs off/against one another in ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 29 octobre 2011 - 08:31 .

[Vertigo_1]

flemm wrote...

It's partly speculation, partly deduction, given that a dev stated that "all 57 powers are in the game."

3 unique powers per class = 18 total

19 base powers, with Unity (same as Me2)

Leaving 20 unique powers for the squad, 2 per squad member. 

That would mean 9 squad slots, since the VS takes up two sets of powers. (Though we can't rule out another slot working like the VS.)

Don't forget about powers overlapping between squadmates.

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Don't forget about powers overlapping between squadmates.

Not actually my speculation or deduction (I'm just reporting the discussion IsaacShep cited earlier for clarity's sake), but I believe the overlap you're describing is covered in the "base powers" part.

So, a power like Overload is one of the 19 base powers, and some squad members, as well as some classes, have it.

[Ieldra]

Hmm...not enough pictures.

[jtav]

Not so much a question as an observation that might eventually turn into a fanfic: Miranda has been on both ends of "sleeping with the boss" if you romance her. She was Jacob's superior at the time they were together and Shep's subordinate during ME2. And I can imagine that wearing on both relationships in different ways.]

[wolf99000]

I really dont see a Prothean squadmate I think we might see them or something or why did bioware put the line in shadowbroker about him thinking there was more out there when dealing with the protheans I do think it was just a mistake like bioware said

would it not be a bit funny if all the me2 squadmates are only temp you help them then go back to the war dont you get into the area of why are we doing these things while this massive war is going on

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

Not so much a question as an observation that might eventually turn into a fanfic: Miranda has been on both ends of "sleeping with the boss" if you romance her. She was Jacob's superior at the time they were together and Shep's subordinate during ME2. And I can imagine that wearing on both relationships in different ways.]

You're right, that is a VERY interesting observation. :-)  let me know if you turn it into a fan fic.  It would be an interesting read. 

You think Miranda would be the one more "in charge" or the boss in the relationship?  Or more equal between the two. I think she'd try to be the dominating person in the relationship.  Shepard gives in a little bit but still challenges his authority being "in command"

I read some Jacob and Miranda fics the other day.  Some are quite interesting.  I wonder how far their relationship actually went.  I wish bioware could elaborate on that a bit more.  Anyone think she'd cross the line and sleep with Jacob just to recruit him for Cerberus?   

[Vertigo_1]

enayasoul wrote...
Anyone think she'd cross the line and sleep with Jacob just to recruit him for Cerberus?  

I think they just put that in because it's a Bioware game and there's always a romance in them (...hmm, might be a good question for Mac Walters).

But yeah I hope that wasn't the reason she slept with him (although he doesn't call it a fling).

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:20 .

[enayasoul]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
Anyone think she'd cross the line and sleep with Jacob just to recruit him for Cerberus?  

I think they just put that in because it's a Bioware game and there's always a romance in them (...hmm, might be a good question for Mac Walters).

But yeah I hope that wasn't the reason she slept with him (although he doesn't call it a fling).

Nah, I don't think it was a fling either but it was something.  Who do you think broke it off? Miranda seemed rather sad after Jacob's Loyalty mission.

[jtav]

It appears to be a fairly normal relationship, with caring on both sides, that didn't work out. As for dominance issues, I RP my romance Shep as fairly submissive to her. She says jump. He says how high. And I do it for much the same reason I write Miranda as besotted with Liara. My favorite romance trope ever is the more dangerous, outwardly dominant partner--the one you would expect to take the lead--being completely at the mercy of their lover. Well that, and I'm living through her, not him, when I do the romance.

[jtav]

And as for who broke it off, I'll say her, just because he seems like he'd get back with her in a sec. But the blame is likely mutual. I wouldn't want to date either of them. Ever.

[Vertigo_1]

enayasoul wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
Anyone think she'd cross the line and sleep with Jacob just to recruit him for Cerberus?  

I think they just put that in because it's a Bioware game and there's always a romance in them (...hmm, might be a good question for Mac Walters).

But yeah I hope that wasn't the reason she slept with him (although he doesn't call it a fling).

Nah, I don't think it was a fling either but it was something.  Who do you think broke it off? Miranda seemed rather sad after Jacob's Loyalty mission.

I have to agree with jtav, I think she broke it off.  We don't really know the specifics on why.

[jtav]

I have a theory/fanfic plot bunny. May I share?

[jtav]

Oh, what the hell.

Miranda gets Jacob assigned as her 2IC because she trusts him and because she doesn't want to end the relationship just yet. Unfortunately, being a glorified security guard wasn't what Jacob signed on for. They fight, and eventually the good sex can't paper over their arguments. He doesn't appreciate what he sees as coddling and wonders deep down whether she respects him. She wonders whether he's just in it for the more glorious ways of doing good and is frustrated with his lack of commitment wen things aren't as excited as he hoped. Things implode.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
May I share?

jtav wrote...
Oh, what the hell.

LoL. I was actually about to type, "sure." 

And then decided the question was probably rhetorical at this point in the thread

Miranda's relationship with Jacob just seems really ordinary tbh. They hit it off, had a good thing going for a while, and then the thrill was gone. It does seem like Miranda broke it off, but she still cares about him.

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[enayasoul]

Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. Miranda breaking it off. The whole Miranda needs a better man than me... hehe. I'm reminded of that scene if you take Jacob and Miranda to Omega and visit one of the slums? near the vorcha? Jacob seems appalled and talks about how people could be left to rot like this... treatment of the people on Omega. Miranda was like are you blind? Do you want to know or not? And Jacob wasn't all that interested in the reason behind it. It was an odd exchange but you really can see the differences in how they both took the situation differently. Jacob seems too paragon? and Miranda seems more paragade or something close/similar. Could it be an alliance/cerberus thing?

[jtav]

I'd describe them this way:

Jacob is idealistic in his means, but cynical in his belief in overarching goals. He has no grand ideal driving him, but will do the right thing. Miranda's the opposite. Her cause defines her, but she's willing to do a lot of bad things to advance it.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

As a WELL DEDICATED Mirimancer/Mirimaniac, I look at both sides of the argument where Miri berates Joker for losing the crew. I support Miri on her part as well.
I mean come on, she is my LI after all, and during that point in time, we both have feelings for each other and the scene where my Romantic Relationship with Miri is culminated happens right after the argument about the loss of the crew.

It was a frustrating time. We were VERY close to confronting the Collectors for the last time, and the crew was taken at such a bad time.

In the end, we would all have to put our heads together and work together to find a way to save our crew. We are all one big family on the Normandy, and we have to stick together to survive this.

^ That's how I think of it every time the scene occurs after the crew is taken.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:17 .