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[enayasoul]

Yep. That pretty much sums it up Jtav... :-) Wasn't it Jack who also says Jacob doesn't know what he wants. :-) I'm sorry I do chuckle every time Jack calls Miranda the Cerberus cheerleader. I don't know why, maybe it's how Jack's VO delivers it.

[Dr. Doctor]

Breaking this up for readablility

@Jtav

That's sort of along the lines of what I think happened with their relationship. The only other idea I have relates to how Miranda likes to keep those close to her safe. Jacob might be a solider and a biotic but he's an idealist, he (to me at least) is looking for a cause to serve. Given the oppertunity to exploit that Cerberus could throw him into danger without batting an eye. So she keeps him close to shield him from some of the dangers that come from working with TIM.

Because Jacob in my playthroughs dies in most of my playthroughs I work under the assumtion that Miranda feels guilty for getting him to join Cerberus in the first place.


With the relationship with Shepard, it all depends on how they choose to continue it in ME3. With Bucky Shepard the attraction is that Miranda doesn't seem to put much stock into the image of The Hero of Elysium, if he's about to do something stupid she'll come right out and tell him, and he has to work to earn her trust. Somewhere along the line he finds out that she's not just a cold-hearted Cerberus agent, and she finds out that he's not just a goody two shoes war hero.

[jtav]

Miranda is, frankly, an ass in the scene with Joker. But a very human one. She seems to lash out when upset. It's a character flaw. We all have them.

[enayasoul]

Well she does have low tolerance for incompetence. Kinda funny given the extreme lack of competence from some of the Cerberus cells going rogue or failures.

[Dr. Doctor]

I get the feeling that Miranda starts channeling Mr. Lawson when she gets truly enraged. For instance I get the feeling that she's been on the receiving end of "Clearly you were a mistake."

[enayasoul]

Probably.

[Arijharn]

enayasoul wrote...

Well she does have low tolerance for incompetence. Kinda funny given the extreme lack of competence from some of the Cerberus cells going rogue or failures.

The trouble is that I'm not particularly sure how Joker's actions were 'incompetent.'  Neither were the crew for that matter since they seemed to have locked down area's pretty quickly and managed to arm themselves cleanly from the armory.

As for the whole Cerberus 'in'competence part, I think most of their failures were due to the fact that they didn't plan on a random Spectre kicking down their front door for the most part.

[MisterJB]

I like and dislike Miranda's reprimand to Joker.

On one hand, Joker was in charge of the ship and the crew and he should have prevented the Collectors from boarding in the first place. I consider scolding him a sign of respect from Miranda. Crippled or not, she holds him to the same standard of efficiency and everyone else. Also, it proves again that Miranda does care about the crew.

On the other hand, it was mostly EDI's fault due to not scrubbing the IFF. Joker did the best he could with what he was given and he did save the mission. Shepard also deserves some scolding as well as Miranda herself for not predicting it.

So, I don't fully agree with Miranda's reaction but I do like that she has enough respect for Joker to consider that him failling warrants a scolding.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 octobre 2011 - 05:20 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I think that Miranda is less angry at Joker than she is angry that the plan for the SM has gone out the window. Miranda appears to be a consumate planner, if her loyalty mission is any indication she likes to have every detail hashed out before putting things into action, although should things not go according to plan she does tend to get angry.

This is partially why she and Shepard make a good team, she can plan and he can improvise.

[MisterJB]

She says as much after her LM when Shepard asks if she will talk to Oriana again.
"I honestly don't know. For the first time, I haven't planned that far ahead."

[Labrev]

jtav wrote...

Miranda is, frankly, an ass in the scene with Joker. But a very human one. She seems to lash out when upset. It's a character flaw. We all have them.

This. She has those moments that make her human and her character more believeable, which is good. No one's perfect.

The characters that turn me off are the Mary Sue types.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...
Not so much a question as an observation that might eventually turn into a fanfic: Miranda has been on both ends of "sleeping with the boss" if you romance her. She was Jacob's superior at the time they were together and Shep's subordinate during ME2. And I can imagine that wearing on both relationships in different ways.]

You're right, that is a VERY interesting observation. :-)  let me know if you turn it into a fan fic.  It would be an interesting read. 

You think Miranda would be the one more "in charge" or the boss in the relationship?  Or more equal between the two. I think she'd try to be the dominating person in the relationship.  Shepard gives in a little bit but still challenges his authority being "in command"

I think she cannot but try and be "in command" in a relationship. I see this as the reason why she needs someone like Shepard, who can hold his own against her and even come out on top occasionally. It's also the reason why I see their relationship having something of a competition, at least until they've bumped heads enough to know where they stand in different situations. You see in in the Renegade romance scene with the kiss.
"It's not a competition." Yeah, right. 

I read some Jacob and Miranda fics the other day.  Some are quite interesting.  I wonder how far their relationship actually went.  I wish bioware could elaborate on that a bit more.  Anyone think she'd cross the line and sleep with Jacob just to recruit him for Cerberus? 

She'd be capable to that, but given what she did and said around Jacob's LM I don't think so. She seems to feel she has some remaining obligation to Jacob, perhaps there are even lingering feelings. The impression I get is "This is in the past, but it was good while it lasted, so I remember it fondly".

@jtav:
Yes, I also think Miranda broke if off. Though I'd give different reasons. One being that he couldn't hold his own against her, and so the thrill was gone for her after some time. From his side, it may have been as you say.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 octobre 2011 - 07:08 .

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. Miranda breaking it off. The whole Miranda needs a better man than me... hehe. I'm reminded of that scene if you take Jacob and Miranda to Omega and visit one of the slums? near the vorcha? Jacob seems appalled and talks about how people could be left to rot like this... treatment of the people on Omega. Miranda was like are you blind? Do you want to know or not? And Jacob wasn't all that interested in the reason behind it. It was an odd exchange but you really can see the differences in how they both took the situation differently. Jacob seems too paragon? and Miranda seems more paragade or something close/similar. Could it be an alliance/cerberus thing?

I've always been wondering what exactly she meant when she says that. What is it he cannot see? That someone wants it that way? That all too often people just don't care? That it's inherent in the way the galaxy is run? That's it's unavoidable? Or is she simply exasperated by the way he lets his moral indignation speak without asking for the underlying reasons? Or by the way he appears to be surprised by what should be obvious if you know anything about Omega - which he should?

[ADLegend21]

enayasoul wrote...

Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. Miranda breaking it off. The whole Miranda needs a better man than me... hehe. I'm reminded of that scene if you take Jacob and Miranda to Omega and visit one of the slums? near the vorcha? Jacob seems appalled and talks about how people could be left to rot like this... treatment of the people on Omega. Miranda was like are you blind? Do you want to know or not? And Jacob wasn't all that interested in the reason behind it. It was an odd exchange but you really can see the differences in how they both took the situation differently. Jacob seems too paragon? and Miranda seems more paragade or something close/similar. Could it be an alliance/cerberus thing?

Actually, I can see Jacob breaking it off with her. Not that she's high matinence as the "better man than I" line can bring the assumption of, but maye she was a little too hardcore for him. The scene you mention on Omega sound slike he wanted to help those people who just sit there with nothing because it's the right thing to do. plus maybe he knew about her condition and he probably wants kids, so that meant that he couldn't achieve that with her and they just split because of that. Who knows really?

[BancsBubbl3]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda is, frankly, an ass in the scene with Joker. But a very human one. She seems to lash out when upset. It's a character flaw. We all have them.

This. She has those moments that make her human and her character more believeable, which is good. No one's perfect.

The characters that turn me off are the Mary Sue types.

Dear lord, I hate those.

If I ever open a book or fanfiction with a Mary Sue or Gary Stu character I close it and burn it... mentally, of course.

[Ieldra]

BancsBubbl3 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

jtav wrote...
Miranda is, frankly, an ass in the scene with Joker. But a very human one. She seems to lash out when upset. It's a character flaw. We all have them.

This. She has those moments that make her human and her character more believeable, which is good. No one's perfect.

The characters that turn me off are the Mary Sue types.

Dear lord, I hate those.

If I ever open a book or fanfiction with a Mary Sue or Gary Stu character I close it and burn it... mentally, of course.

Never play Paragon Shepard then. They fit the type perfectly. Only Arrrival put a dent in their universe-warping powers.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Wait what? It's been confirmed that Aria's a squaddie and we'll be meeting a Prothean? Where?

[Errol Dnamyx]

Nowhere.

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Wait what? It's been confirmed that Aria's a squaddie and we'll be meeting a Prothean? Where?

These are rumors.

(1) The appearance of an unknown asari face which was too low-res to make out features but the shade of blue of Aria's face in a screenshot made people think she might be a team member. Bioware said it was a placeholder picture, but many people don't believe that. I think it's possible Aria might be a temporary team member for a mission around Omega. I'd bet anything she isn't more than that. 

(2) A leaked screenshot revealed the existence of a bonus mission called "The Prothean" which was apparently planned to be part of the Collectors' Edition package. That made people think this is a first-day character DLC and we'll get a Prothean team member. I think there are indications that the Protheans and/or what remains of them, which might include survivors, will play a role in ME3. I'd be surprised if that meant a Prothean team member.

Nothing has been officially confirmed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:50 .

[jtav]

I believe that leak mentioned a new character and mission as part of a pack called the Prothean.

[jtav]

Remember that playthrough I did where I killed Miranda off? I felt bad about that and started another one. Behold:



A couple of interesting things. If you choose a bad first fireteam leader, Miranda will be openly disparaging. You can call her out on this, and I could practically see her respect nosedive. And she was the only squadmate visible in the end sequence on the Normandy.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

Remember that playthrough I did where I killed Miranda off? I felt bad about that and started another one. Behold:



A couple of interesting things. If you choose a bad first fireteam leader, Miranda will be openly disparaging. You can call her out on this, and I could practically see her respect nosedive. And she was the only squadmate visible in the end sequence on the Normandy.

Woah!
I'm guessing the SM was done extremely early. Don't know how that's possible.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

I like and dislike Miranda's reprimand to Joker.

On one hand, Joker was in charge of the ship and the crew and he should have prevented the Collectors from boarding in the first place. I consider scolding him a sign of respect from Miranda. Crippled or not, she holds him to the same standard of efficiency and everyone else. Also, it proves again that Miranda does care about the crew.

On the other hand, it was mostly EDI's fault due to not scrubbing the IFF. Joker did the best he could with what he was given and he did save the mission. Shepard also deserves some scolding as well as Miranda herself for not predicting it.

So, I don't fully agree with Miranda's reaction but I do like that she has enough respect for Joker to consider that him failling warrants a scolding.

Very true. With Miri as my LI as well, I see and fully support her side in this, along with others.

Miri is human. Anyone would react the same way if an important plan such as the plan for the SM went down the drain.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I think she cannot but try and be "in command" in a relationship. I see this as the reason why she needs someone like Shepard, who can hold his own against her and even come out on top occasionally. It's also the reason why I see their relationship having something of a competition, at least until they've bumped heads enough to know where they stand in different situations. You see in in the Renegade romance scene with the kiss.

You don't see it in the Paragon romance scene and we should not forget that it was Shepard who "hopened hostilities" so to speak.
Miranda will not back down if Shepard is looking for a "fight" but I don't think she feels the need to dictate the terms of the relationship. Shepard teases, Miranda teases back. She asks for time, she accepts Shepard asking for some time as well.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:41 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

When Miri says, "I honestly don't know. For the first time, I haven't planned that far ahead," and also saying something about not doing this until the Mission is over, at first it feels like she's talking about the SM. Now It feels more into after the Reaper War. You know what I mean.

But on the Other Hand, I doubt that Miri would cut ties from Oriana because of the War. Oriana's safety is one of Miri's TOP Priorities.