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[MisterJB]

Viktor himself is a gray character. Sure, he is an egomaniac, prejudiced, murderous tyrant but he genuinely loved Sonja and Selene ( a twisted love, to be sure, but it was there) and, in the end, was incapable of accepting that he was to blame for the death of the first and not Lucian.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Anyway this is the best I could find. It shows his mannerisms and general demeanor a bit.  There was another scene I was thinking of where he chews out Selene (what I see as the Miranda analogue) sort of like he does here but more angry. She'd just broken an important law. After the chew-out his voice goes soft and almost regretful as he explains why the law's important and you can feel he's sorry to see she's broken it. The next
line he leans back, his voice as hard as granite and says "you will not be shown an ounce of leniancy" I swear that was one of the most menancing lines I've ever head. You have to stretch your imagination a bit.

Well, from your description, and JB's remarks, I have to say that sounds quite a bit like how I would picture Mr. Lawson. Really demanding, but with love somewhere underneath. Maybe a twisted kind of love, but love.

One thing that crossed my mind about Mr. Lawson at one point is that he knows something about the Reapers, maybe not the details, but enough to know there is this big threat that could show up anytime. And the root of his obsession is trying to come up with some way to help his legacy survive.

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:05 .

[Eyeshield21]

This is kinda not Miranda related, but has any new squadmates been confirmed yet?(other than thane I mean, Temp or permanent.)

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:11 .

[flemm]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

This is kinda not Miranda related, but has any new squadmates been confirmed yet?(other than thane I mean, Temp or permanent.)

No. There even seems to be a little doubt about Thane, as somebody mentioned earlier that there was actually no info released on him. (I've honestly lost track.)

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:16 .

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

Eyeshield21 wrote...

This is kinda not Miranda related, but has any new squadmates been confirmed yet?(other than thane I mean, Temp or permanent.)

No. There even seems to be a little doubt  about Thane, as somebody mentioned earlier that there was actually no info released on him. (I've honestly lost track.)

sigh, I swear, if Aria is named permanent squadmate instead of Miranda, I will be pissed. If Aria is a temp squadmate, fine. Just don't rock the boat and end up pleasing one NPC fan group, at the cost of pissing everyone else.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:21 .

[jtav]

What will happen, will happen. I just want a nice non-spoiler headshot or something.

And let's be honest: what we're all hoping for is to be in the favored group. They won't be fair.

Modifié par jtav, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:26 .

[Eyeshield21]

jtav wrote...

What will happen, will happen. I just want a nice non-spoiler headshot or something.

And let's be honest: what we're all hoping for is to be in the favored group. They won't be fair.

sigh.......**** YOU BW!
Seriously though, Jtav, what you say is true, the most favored would be the one that does it justice. I just hope Miri is at the top of their list of doing it right.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:43 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
And let's be honest: what we're all hoping for is to be in the favored group. They won't be fair.

It's true, no denying it. Though with the following caveat: Miranda's storylines intersect with the main storylines of the game... Cerberus, TIM, Lazarus, tension with the Alliance. So, it's much harder to imagine a temp appearance for a mission or two that would be satisfying than for really any other character.

Mordin is my other favorite, but I acknowledge that a temp appearance is appropriate for him and should work fine. Best you could do with Miranda is ignore the rest and focus on the culimination of the Cerberus arc. But, given that this is apparently going to be a key moment in the game, it's unlikely that she will just show up out of the blue for that. At the end of the day, that is one of the reasons why I think Miranda will be there in the end. (That and prominence/popularity.)

Really everything that has been said about the game suggests that she will have an important role to play. I just think we're going to have to deal with not knowing for a few more months.

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:50 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Well, from your description, and JB's remarks, I have to say that sounds quite a bit like how I would picture Mr. Lawson. Really demanding, but with love somewhere underneath. Maybe a twisted kind of love, but love.

One thing that crossed my mind about Mr. Lawson at one point is that he knows something about the Reapers, maybe not the details, but enough to know there is this big threat that could show up anytime. And the root of his obsession is trying to come up with some way to help his legacy survive.

Alright I think we are picturing similar characters then just emphasized differently in our descriptions. I do think Bill Nighy is a perfect choice, though it probably won't happen. Oh well. Until I see different that's what I'm imagining.

How do you think he knows about the Reapers though flemm? And how would his legacy plans help? I'm not seeing it as possible just yet but maybe you've thought of something I haven't.


Edit regarding squad status/presence: Agreeing with flemm, everything that's presented so far in ME2 about Miranda, Cerberus and all the stuff in between suggest a significant presence in ME3. The silence from Bioware is unnerving though, causing us to question previous deductions.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:48 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
How do you think he knows about the Reapers though flemm? And how would his legacy plans help? I'm not seeing it as possible just yet but maybe you've thought of something I haven't.

No proof, really. Just a thought. He's really rich, and probably really well connected, including perhaps some connections with Cerberus for at least a while. He might have heard rumors, or some info, about an apocalyptic threat. So, maybe his obsession with producing a perfect heir is tied to a larger obsession with his legacy surviving the coming apocalypse (of which he only has very scant info, but enough to make him paranoid).

CrutchCricket wrote...
Alright I think we are picturing similar characters then just emphasized differently in our descriptions.

Agreed, very similar.

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:51 .

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
No proof, really. Just a thought. He's really rich, and probably really well connected, including perhaps some connections with Cerberus for at least a while. He might have heard rumors, or some info, about an apocalyptic threat. So, maybe his obsession with producing a perfect heir is tied to a larger obsession with his legacy surviving the coming apocalypse (of which he only has very scant info, but enough to make him paranoid).
 

I don't think it likely. For one, it would make his character too similar to TIM.

CrutchCricket wrote...
I do think Bill Nighy is a perfect choice, though it probably won't happen. Oh well. Until I see different that's what I'm imagining.

I disagree. The perfect person to give voice to Mr. Lawson is Charles Dance, the migthy Tywin Lannister.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

flemm wrote...
No proof, really. Just a thought. He's really rich, and probably really well connected, including perhaps some connections with Cerberus for at least a while. He might have heard rumors, or some info, about an apocalyptic threat. So, maybe his obsession with producing a perfect heir is tied to a larger obsession with his legacy surviving the coming apocalypse (of which he only has very scant info, but enough to make him paranoid).
 

I don't think it likely. For one, it would make his character too similar to TIM.

I think the idea was Mr. Lawson gets wind of some sort of danger without any details as to what it is. He's not planning for the Reapers he's just paranoid. Of course creating a "legacy" the way he was trying to do does nothing to ensure survival in an exctinction event.

The idea that he can be paranoid about something undefined that can be traced back to the Reapers is plausible but hazy. I'm also not sure what it'd add to the character.

I see your Charles Dance suggestion and I agree it's a good one. Still prefer Nighy myself. I feel he can convey more malice. I'd be thrilled with either choice though.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I see your Charles Dance suggestion and I agree it's a good one. Still prefer Nighy myself. I feel he can convey more malice. I'd be thrilled with either choice though.

I see what you are saying and I don't disagree. However, when I think of Mr. Lawson, I don't think of someone who is noticeably malicious. Afterall, he created the greatest corporate empire in the history of Earth.
Mr. Lawson is someone that I see as an intellectual, someone haugthy and absolutely authoritative. You would not even consider disobeying this man. Charles Dance has experience playing men like this so, IMO, he would be the absolute best choice.

Modifié par MisterJB, 31 octobre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Dr. Doctor]

What would be interesting is if Mr. Lawson presented Miranda with the only sure way to keep Oriana safe from the war raging across the galaxy.

Miranda: What do you want with her?!

Mr. Lawson: Really now, nineteen years of nothing and not even a hello dad? I thought I taught you some manners (feels something at the back of his neck) Miranda, who's your friend?

Shepard: I'm the man with the gun. I suggest that you answer your daughter's question.
 

[MisterJB]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What would be interesting is if Mr. Lawson presented Miranda with the only sure way to keep Oriana safe from the war raging across the galaxy.
 

...how come no one suggested this before? It's brilliant.

[Shotokanguy]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What would be interesting is if Mr. Lawson presented Miranda with the only sure way to keep Oriana safe from the war raging across the galaxy.

Miranda: What do you want with her?!

Mr. Lawson: Really now, nineteen years of nothing and not even a hello dad? I thought I taught you some manners (feels something at the back of his neck) Miranda, who's your friend?

Shepard: I'm the man with the gun. I suggest that you answer your daughter's question.
 

I hope Miranda's father isn't that cheesy if we do end up meeting him. I don't imagine him as the kind of guy to be making jokes in that situation.

Keeping Oriana safe would be a good way to set up meeting him though.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What if "Mr." Lawson inserted element zero into himself. What if he is some super biotic?

If he touches Miri, I'll crush him....

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:21 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
I see what you are saying and I don't disagree. However, when I think of Mr. Lawson, I don't think of someone who is noticeably malicious. Afterall, he created the greatest corporate empire in the history of Earth.
Mr. Lawson is someone that I see as an intellectual, someone haugthy and absolutely authoritative. You would not even consider disobeying this man. Charles Dance has experience playing men like this so, IMO, he would be the absolute best choice.

Yes of course. But like I said before you're meeting him with Miranda (who's already told you what he really is) and while a galactic war is going on. Gone is the mere intellectual public facade. He's cornered now, not only by you but by the war. Now we see his inner darkness. He snaps, he bites, he's still in control (no need for another Shadow Broker random rage) but all his viciousness is apparent- something we've seen Nighy pull off. When we see Mr. Lawson I imagine he's something like Nassana Dantius; everyone knows what she is and there are no pleasantries (but obviously Mr. Lawson's a lot more dangerous and a lot more competent). You have to figure that whatever we're there for it's not exactly in his plan (or not going as planned).  I just see him as on edge at the encounter. Before that he may very well be as you describe him.

Dr. Doctor wrote...
What would be interesting is if Mr. Lawson
presented Miranda with the only sure way to keep Oriana safe from the
war raging across the galaxy.

How exactly? I don't think there is any safety anywhere. He may claim to have some fancy fallout shelter type panic room bunker thing but I doubt Miranda will think that safe.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:40 .

[CrutchCricket]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What if "Mr." Lawson inserted element zero into himself. What if he is some super biotic?

If he touches Miri, I'll crush him....

Like a great biotic wind?

lol that's not how biotics work so unless he's already got them I don't think we'll be seeing that.

[Bran187]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What would be interesting is if Mr. Lawson presented Miranda with the only sure way to keep Oriana safe from the war raging across the galaxy.

Miranda: What do you want with her?!

Mr. Lawson: Really now, nineteen years of nothing and not even a hello dad? I thought I taught you some manners (feels something at the back of his neck) Miranda, who's your friend?

Shepard: I'm the man with the gun. I suggest that you answer your daughter's question.
 

I hope Miranda's father isn't that cheesy if we do end up meeting him. I don't imagine him as the kind of guy to be making jokes in that situation.

Keeping Oriana safe would be a good way to set up meeting him though.

IDK a short happy life with her family is most likely better then what thier father would have planned. Its not like you could take him at his word. He says he will keep her safe, he probably means run tests on her so he can attempt to keep himself safe...

Plus i highly doubt he would let Oriana bring her family along. So im guessing that even if Miranda agreed, Oriana would most likely protest.

[snakeboy86]

I also want my hot British Li back<3<3 
I will be very sad to see her as a cameo

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

snakeboy86 wrote...

I also want my hot British Li back<3<3 
I will be very sad to see her as a cameo

That's good to hear, but know that Miri is Australian.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 31 octobre 2011 - 05:02 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
First off do you think we'll see him in ME3? I would think it's likely given the role he plays in Miranda's story arc.

It's on my wishlist. As to likelihood, I think that depends on where he fits in the scheme of things. I don't expect there will be much character-specific material in ME3, compared to ME2. Nothing like the loyalty missions. We'll see characters appear where they are important to the overall fight against the Reapers (and Cerberus). If characters don't have any real obvious place where they fit, something will be invented so they fit.

Mr. Lawson could be an important figure in the Cerberus/Alliance story. Some revelations are probably in store for what the relationship really is between these two entities, so he could play a role there. It's possible that something like this was planned from the beginning, given "The Prodigal" title of Miranda's LM achievement.

It's on my wishlist, too, but plainly I don't think he'll play any role beyond what's necessary to give some closure to that part of Miranda's story arc. The reason I think so is that there is only so much space for
character-related material to be tied to the plot of ME3. Miranda
already has her Cerberus connection and a possible fallout of the
Lazarus Project.  
So I expect him to die without fanfare in the invasion of Earth, possibly after sending Miranda a final email where she's told she's his sole heir after all (setting the scene for the "Foundation" epilogue).

As for what might have been planned - I think there was nothing. He was to be a somewhat ambiguous background threat in Miranda's life, a plot hook for a loyalty mission and a justification for her being less than thrilled with her genetic enhancements. The details were deliberately left to the player's imagination and I very much doubt they'll do much to narrow the scope of interpretation.

I'm not really familiar with the analogy you are using. But I actually expect Miranda's father to end up being an ambiguous figure. He may have always intended for Miranda to want to fight to get free of him, as part of what would prepare her to take over the reigns of his financial empire. It's the one who gets away that you really want to keep.

Which would make for some ambiguous feelings on Miranda's part. She might feel she's been following his plans all the time. it doesn't ring true, though - Miranda implied that her father cut his connections to Cerberus after she ran away.

As for his personality, I've always imagined him distanced and coldly menacing, always in control of himself and the way he expresses his emotions. I imagine Miranda can be that way, too, but we never see her like that, except for if you sided with Jack and ask her later about how she stands with you.  

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
It's on my wishlist, too, but plainly I don't think he'll play any role beyond what's necessary to give some closure to that part of Miranda's story arc. The reason I think so is that there is only so much space for
character-related material to be tied to the plot of ME3.

Oh, no doubt. Which is why I think the most likely scenario where we might see him is as an NPC who plays a significant role regardless of Miranda's presence. It's plausible that he might. That type of thing happens all the time, where writers end up using a known commodity because it resonates with the rest of the story moreso than "random new NPC" would. Sort of like "Fade" turning out to be that disgruntled C-Sec guy from ME1. Could have been anybody, really.

Modifié par flemm, 31 octobre 2011 - 10:04 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And let's be honest: what we're all hoping for is to be in the favored group. They won't be fair.

The problem is what "fair" is perceived to be. I think giving Miranda a one-mission temp appearance would not give justice to her story potential. There are only two old team members with that kind of story potential - Liara and Miranda. Thus, I would not consider it fair to give Miranda the same screen presence as, say, Thane.

Here's my priority list by perceived story potential (LI status not considered):
*Liara
*Miranda
*Legion
*Tali
*Mordin
*Kasumi (if greybox kept)
*Everyone else

Of course old team members may - and will - gain story potential in ME3. That's fine. What's not fine is to leave Miranda's potential unrealized for perceived "fairness" reasons. If someone brings that up, I'll bring Garrus and Tali up....