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[flemm]

CuseGirl wrote...

how do they know that Garrus and Miranda are the most used? By poll or by some other way?

They have stats on the game via the Cerberus network. Not everyone who plays, doubtless, but probably way more than enough for a representative sample.

Modifié par flemm, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
They have stats on the game via the Cerberus network. Not everyone who plays, doubtless, but probably way more than enough for a representative sample.

No kidding? Another tidbit of hope for our cause perhaps?

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

No kidding? Another tidbit of hope for our cause perhaps?

Info about Miranda was provided by Brenan Holmes, I believe, in response to a question about Miranda in ME3. So, it was intended to be understood as such, I'm sure. But, as with statements such as "Miranda will have a large role," etc., it will all be taken with a grain of salt until we see the goods

Modifié par flemm, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:42 .

[flemm]

Bebe77 wrote...
 I dont want you leading the second team"  is what gets me

It's a bit strong, no doubt about it. It always motivates me to put her in charge of the team, even though I prefer to have her on the squad.

That said, from a roleplay perspective, I think it makes sense for the comment to be relatively strong because Miranda is so prominent overall in the SM. She really acts like the second in command there, so you need a strong comment at the beginning to balance that a bit.

Also, it's balanced by the fact that she can successfully lead the fire teams regardless of loyalty, which is only true of her. So, in essence, the game proves the doubters wrong, if you choose to go that route.

Modifié par flemm, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:16 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Fire team selection is fun:

Shepard: Alright Jack and Garrus will be on the second fire team, Miranda will lead.

Miranda: You can't be serious.

Shepard: I'm completely serious.

Garrus: Why do you do this to us?

Shepard: Because your suffering amuses me.

[CuseGirl]

Bebe77 wrote...
he can have an opinion its the way he goes about it if he just said "i dont think thats a good idea shepard alot of people dont trust cerberus" i would have been fine with it  but he acts like its his choice who leads the team" I dont want you leading the second team"  is what gets me

wut kinda suck is we dont have a definitive duration on how long the WHOLE Lazurus/Collector mission takes, so you wonder "how long would Garrus have to work with Miranda before he can trust her to even lead 2 or 3 squadmates in a parallel path?"

[Dr. Doctor]

As for the timeline of the SM I put it at anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. Normandy's FTL drive can go from any point in the galaxy to the Omega-4 relay in around two hours. But its dependent upon the narrative. For my headcannon Horizon and Arrival take place in the same week.

Come to think of it, wouldn't extended periods of FTL flight cause crazy time dilation effects for the Normandy? Things like emerging from FTL earlier than you entered it, or onboard timekeeping being different than the rest of the galaxy? Does the Citadel have some form of standard galactic time that ships synchronize their systems to when entering and exiting FTL flight?  I need a Normandy Technical Manual.

As for how long it would take Garrus to trust Miranda, I think the lack of trust is more over the whole Cerberus thing rather than Miranda herself.

[enayasoul]

It's been stated that ME3 starts 6-12 months after the Suicide Mission. I've always done "Arrival" after the Suicide Mission.

[BancsBubbl3]

enayasoul wrote...

It's been stated that ME3 starts 6-12 months after the Suicide Mission. I've always done "Arrival" after the Suicide Mission.

12 months is a bit much. If the Galaxy is in danger from the Reapers, what would everybody be doing in that time?That would need the to be pursued/explained somewhere in game. 6 Months sounds a lot more reasonable.

[clennon8]

Not sure if anyone here is a fan, but I have recently posted chapters 5 & 6 of White Noise.

White Noise

When Kai Leng comes for Shepard, it is up to Miranda and Tali to protect her. Also, Shepard and Miranda struggle to define their ambiguous relationship.

Miranda/Shepard(F), Tali

[Vertigo_1]

BancsBubbl3 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

It's been stated that ME3 starts 6-12 months after the Suicide Mission. I've always done "Arrival" after the Suicide Mission.

12 months is a bit much. If the Galaxy is in danger from the Reapers, what would everybody be doing in that time?That would need the to be pursued/explained somewhere in game. 6 Months sounds a lot more reasonable.

Just wanted to note the 6-12 month timeframe is just a ballpark answer the devs gave when someone asked how long after ME2 would ME3 take place.  They said they would have a more specific answer as they moved closer to launch.

Hmm...this would make a good question to ask the devs...*goes off to ask via Twitter*

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...

flemm wrote...
By the same token, he might be more sympathetic to Miranda now, given their experiences in ME2 and defeating the Human Reaper. Given that they are apparently the most used squad members in the game, it's quite possible they often do so together (you see this in fan videos and stuff a lot, anecdotally).

how do they know that Garrus and Miranda are the most used? By poll or by some other way?

If you have not disabled game feedback in the options, and are logged into the Cerberus Network (I guess that's just a variant of your Bioware account) while playing, the game sends data to Bioware's servers. I guess the number of players they get with this is big enough for a representative sample.

That way they know that...
*15% of all conversation lines were skipped by using the space key
*37% of players kept the Collector base
*Garrus and Miranda are the most used squad members.

And a few things more. Likely they also know the percentage of players who romanced Miranda (and others) and which choices people made in the loyalty missions, if there were choices to be made. And if they got really fancy, they also know the percentage of players who killed the Rachni queen or left the Council to die in ME1 by checking the imported ME1 plot flags (ME1 didn't have a feedback system).

I wish they'd release more of these statistics. After all, I'd like to know how popular Miranda *really* is. Best leave that to be published after ME3 is out, though. That was it can't trigger any more shipping wars.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
As for the timeline of the SM I put it at anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. Normandy's FTL drive can go from any point in the galaxy to the Omega-4 relay in around two hours. But its dependent upon the narrative. For my headcannon Horizon and Arrival take place in the same week.

That's definitely not true. Typical FTL speed is 12 ly per day, and there are inhabited systems half a cluster away from the next relay, to say nothing from uninhabited ones. Travel times of one to two days shouldn't be uncommon. Then add that you can't go FTL within a system because you might hit something - i.e. add several hours to travel from your entry point (or your starting point) to the system's relay. For a more logistics-related answer: if the Normandy could go anywhere in two hours, it wouldn't need a cook. 

Most people don't have the faintest idea about how immensely big the galaxy really is. After all "300 billion stars" is an incomprehensible number. Unfortunately, the narrative masks the size, turning it into something intuitively comprehensible in players' minds, a fact I greatly resent. For an estimation of which insignificant part of the galaxy Citadel Space actually constitutes, see my old thread Thoughts about the structure and size of Citadel civilization.

Come to think of it, wouldn't extended periods of FTL flight cause crazy time dilation effects for the Normandy? Things like emerging from FTL earlier than you entered it, or onboard timekeeping being different than the rest of the galaxy? Does the Citadel have some form of standard galactic time that ships synchronize their systems to when entering and exiting FTL flight?  I need a Normandy Technical Manual.

Forget real-world physics. Time would compress to zero at lightspeed, and if you take the analogy further you could say it starts running backward in FTL. This isn't as crazy as it sounds as one corollary of relativity is that if FTL is possible, regardless of the means, time travel is also possible. Realistically, you'd get effects like ships arriving before they've left, shots hitting before they are fired etc. etc., a logical nightmare. That's why FTL is such a big problem for people who like their sci-fi a little harder. If you introduce FTL into your universe and want to portray realistic consequences, you have to deal with time paradoxes. Needless to say, most sci-fi doesn't even acknowledge the problem. 

As for how long it would take Garrus to trust Miranda, I think the lack of trust is more over the whole Cerberus thing rather than Miranda herself.

I can only say that if Garrus doesn't trust Miranda after all they've been through together, then I don't know what's got into him. What does he think? That Miranda will kill them off intentionally just because she's Cerberus and they're not. IMO she's proven that she can do what it takes, work with "strange bedfellows", she even consents to be ordered around by Shepard for the mission. Bah. Cheap drama I say. 

[CrutchCricket]

Adding on to Ieldra's post:

Check this out. Visual representation of the scale of the universe. You can read the facts, you can see representations. But I don't think we can ever truly wrap our minds around the colossal scale of space or time. Makes you think though. Reapers themselves are less than dust mites on the cosmic scale. What does that make us?

Regarding FTL I think heads would explode if they tried to get everything about relativity right. And even without it, space travel isn't what we'd think. I'd direct you to a few scholarly sources but Cracked and TVTropes are more entertaining to read:

Warning, may ruin sci-fi for some:

6 Reasons Space Travel will Always Suck

Tropes in Space! - an index of tropes in space (duh). Mass Effect is actually pretty good at averting most of the usual suspects (in particular check out Arbitrary Maximum Range and Stealth in Space) but you still need to let some things slide at the end of the day.

Otherwise on Garrus, I think it makes perfect sense he doesn't trust Miranda at the time of the SM because of Cerberus. Remember he's Darker and Edgier (sort of) in this game than he was in the last (though he was never naive). The loss of his team by betrayal means he probably doesn't trust anyone outside of family, Shepard and possibly other crew of the first Normandy. After the SM I'd expect he trusts everyone a little more on account of the ordeal they've been through. On Miranda specifically his trust probably grows even more after her resignation and possible romantic involvement with Shepard.

The "I wish we'd joined up with Cerberus earlier" line is said ironically or sardonically, possibly as a jab to how the Council and Alliance are underequipped. Shepard can deny working for Cerberus at that point and Garrus will reassure him that he knows what the deal is. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 novembre 2011 - 12:49 .

[Ieldra]

. Thanks for making my day, CrutchCricket. I especially liked this part:

As NASA knows, the true power of love is its ability to make even brilliant, highly skilled people turn into kidnap/murder plotting, 500 mile driving, diaper wearing crazy people.

Tbh, most of those problems are a little overstated and might eventually be solved, everything except how to get across those astronomic distances. A future where humans travel more or less comfortably across the solar system is imaginable. Travelling the galaxy though - sad to say, I can't see it happening. Not unless some revolutionary turns physics upside down or someone discovers how to create negative mass and build a traversable wormhole. Even if something like eezo existed, it wouldn't give us FTL capability.

To get back on topic, it's quite a bit less improbable that we'll see genetic engineering on the scale of Miranda's one day. There are no fundamental problems to be overcome, it just needs a great deal of research to acquire the knowledge of how exactly genes work together to create a human in the greatest possible detail, and the resources to make it happen. But one thing genetic engineering won't solve: that lifespan and health are to a large part a function of lifestyle. I'm quite sure Miranda has both a physical and a mental regimen to keep her superior capabilities intact. Perhaps not quite on the level of Jacob's...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:44 .

[flemm]

clennon8 wrote...
When Kai Leng comes for Shepard, it is up to Miranda and Tali to protect her. Also, Shepard and Miranda struggle to define their ambiguous relationship.

Thanks for posting, I'll have to try to catch up on this


Question: do we really think LI characters who only make temp appearances are going to show up at the end for a possible romantic squabble, and then a love scene if you don't break it off?

I ask because this came up earlier in the thread as a possibility, but it strikes me as potentially really awkward.

In the earlier games, everybody's on the same ship, and you have approximately the same amount of interaction with everyone, so it works ok.

But I sort of cringe at the idea of characters like Jack or Miranda showing up out of nowhere, when you haven't seen them since their temp mission, just so they can get angry that you've activated another romance in the meantime.

*shudder*

I really hope it doesn't work like that.

Modifié par flemm, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra: Glad to help. And if there's one thing I learned from technological thrillers is never say never. People in the 19th century (and I mean actual accomplished scientists, not weirdos) actually thought they had discovered all there was to discover and that science had nothing left to do. A few decads later and BAM! splitting the atom and quantum mechanics. The truth of it is we think we are good at predicing future tech but really we can't predict more than a few months maybe years at best. Sure Verne imagined a submarine in the 18th century and Da Vinci developed plans for a helicopter. But could any of them imagine a computer? And even the creators of the computer would never dream that their little programmable adding machine would one day fit in the palm of your hand (and getting smaller) and be used ubiqutously across the globe for work, play, porn and rambling discussions of ficticious catsuit- wearing characters in space.

And on that note, why wouldn't genetic engineering solve lifespan dependency on lifestyle? Of course the modifications required would be far more extensive than what Miranda currently has. But what cuts a lifespan short? Age, genetic defects, disease, and damage incurred (through physical trauma, neglect, exposure to dangerous substances etc). I'm a little rusty on my biology but aging is attributed to telomeres shortening in chromosomes right? That can be fixed. Genetic defects is a no brainer. Genetic immunity is also possible and can be achieved by studying vorcha (in real life we use sharks for similar research I think). Damage would be hardest since at this point you're talking about a healing factor a la Wolverine which must also be stable so you don't end up with Deadpool. Difficult but no reason to assume impossible.

flemm: I don't think temp LIs will make a separate appearance just to **** at you. Likely they'll work it like Shadow Broker- since you're there anyway your LI will know somehow that you've cheated and will have words with you. Simply showing up for a confrontation is stupid and petty in the face of the Reaper threat. That being said, if it does go down I hope they give Shepard the ability to put them in their place.

Jack (as an example): What the **** Shepard? You come to me with all this "make it better" crap and then you go behind my back? You're just using me like everyone else!
Shepard: You came across a battlefield, stole a ship and boarded the Normandy just to talk about relationship issues? Maybe you hadn't noticed but all life in the galaxy is about to be extinguished! Do the words "not the right time for this" mean anything to you?
Jack: Do I mean anything to you?
Shepard: I don't have time for this. None of us will mean anything to anyone if the Reapers win. So grab a gun, point it in the right direction or get the hell out of the way.
Jack: This isn't over Shepard.
Shepard: Fine. Just do you job and I'll make sure we're all still here to talk about it later.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
And if there's one thing I learned from technological thrillers is never say never.

I'd never presume. What I said was that I can't see it - the reason may be that I'm blind. Relativity is pretty fundamental, though, and usually new theories don't break old ones, they just encompass them. At this point I count it more likely that someone invents a teleportation device than to actually fly FTL. At least the former has been done with elementary particles.

And even the creators of the computer would never dream that their little programmable adding machine would one day fit in the palm of your hand (and getting smaller) and be used ubiqutously across the globe for work, play, porn and rambling discussions of ficticious catsuit- wearing characters in space.

LOL. Just so. On the other hand, cybernetic enhancements are still mostly science fiction, though things have at least gotten to a start with those chips that make blind people see - somewhat.

And on that note, why wouldn't genetic engineering solve lifespan dependency on lifestyle? Of course the modifications required would be far more extensive than what Miranda currently has. But what cuts a lifespan short? Age, genetic defects, disease, and damage incurred (through physical trauma, neglect, exposure to dangerous substances etc). I'm a little rusty on my biology but aging is attributed to telomeres shortening in chromosomes right?

Basically, ageing occurs because the body's repair mechanisms cannot keep up with the damage incurred by simply living. The telomeres are just one of the affected areas. But yes, you're right, there should be lots of potential. As natural evolution goes, shorter-lived species are more adaptable, so we're not programmed to stay healthy beyond the age where we're useful to our children. But biological immortality does occur in a few simple species, it isn't out of the question that we'll see longevity treatments within the next few decades and humans engineered for a longer life within this century.

For Miranda's other enhancements, I have no idea how feasible they are.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 novembre 2011 - 05:11 .

[jtav]

I think all LIs that survive will be back for the end. They've made much of the confrontation and things coming to a head at the worst possible time.

[raziel1980]

jtav wrote...

I think all LIs that survive will be back for the end. They've made much of the confrontation and things coming to a head at the worst possible time.

If that's the case I will be preparing the airlock for Ash...as she is the LI( in ME 1 whereas Miranda is the LI in ME 2) of my canon shepard... 

Modifié par raziel1980, 02 novembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[jtav]

I started up my revolutionary mShep. He romanced Liara and will be going "can't I have you both?" in the best sense of the phrase.

[raziel1980]

jtav wrote...

I started up my revolutionary mShep. He romanced Liara and will be going "can't I have you both?" in the best sense of the phrase.

ROTFLMAOOOO! 

I used that line with my Femshep in ME 1 when I got the Liara/Kaidan confrontation...it was hialrious when she said it...though Kaidan turned me down( still shakes his haed at that...HELLO, you get to have both of us, yourself...dude[ sorry, my testerione speaking there because if it were me. I would answer... Yes, please. ] ), which eventually led to his nuking on virmire. I will say my current n canon femshep playthrough, I'm doing right now might worse though cinsidering what I'm planning where that is concerned...

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

I started up my revolutionary mShep. He romanced Liara and will be going "can't I have you both?" in the best sense of the phrase.

I love that line.