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[Ieldra]

Tbh, I wouldn't mind as long as Miranda's is one of those key relationships and not just those I don't like. And not just regarding relationships, mind you. I want Miranda to be one of the first-rank characters.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:35 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hmm... even ignoring all the character specific relevance, Miranda is still the most conventionally attractive human LI (assuming Kelly doesn't count as a "full" LI) in ME2. I just don't see them ignoring that. It's a weak argument compared to those based on the character's own achievements but I'm not seeing any way her relationship isn't "key".

[Yuqi]

I'm not quite sure if this is the right place to ask this, but what is the fascination with Miranda's AU Accent? Do you guys in America really find it that appealing?

I find it incredibly, awkward. (It might be because I hear the AU accent all the time 24/7)
I like Miranda but the accent seems too strong.

[CrutchCricket]

Yuqi wrote...

I'm not quite sure if this is the right place to ask this, but what is the fascination with Miranda's AU Accent? Do you guys in America really find it that appealing?

I find it incredibly, awkward. (It might be because I hear the AU accent all the time 24/7)
I like Miranda but the accent seems too strong.

Your mileage may vary. People on here like Miranda for many different reasons. Personally I'm a sucker for any "British" type accent. Others may simply see it as her voice and think nothing of it.

If you are Australian or are surrounded by Australians you may become indifferent to the accent and not even "hear" it anymore. But there is something exotic about it to someone who isn't immersed in accents.

I don't think the voice actor packed it extra thick though. Saw a few short interviews and that is what she sounds like. Her accent's slightly decreased on Chuck though, the TV series she's in. Check that out if you want a comparison.

[wright1978]

Yuqi wrote...

I'm not quite sure if this is the right place to ask this, but what is the fascination with Miranda's AU Accent? Do you guys in America really find it that appealing?

I find it incredibly, awkward. (It might be because I hear the AU accent all the time 24/7)
I like Miranda but the accent seems too strong.

Well i'm British and i like the accent.

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
Is it just the cynical part of me that sees the word 'key' and jumps to conclusion that there are going to be certain relationships that get preferential treatment.

Well, this is a given, unfortunately. That said, he may consider all romantic relationships "key" relationships. From that tweet, it sounds like he just played through the main dialog paths, which wouldn't include all the various other types of relationships Shepard forms along the way, but could easily include all the LI characters, even the temp ones.

CrutchCricket wrote...
If you are Australian or are surrounded by Australians you may become indifferent to the accent and not even "hear" it anymore. But there is something exotic about it to someone who isn't immersed in accents.

I love the accent, personally. As Miranda, Yvonne's accent seems pretty close to her natural speech, from what I can tell from interviews and such. On Chuck she drops the accent almost entirely. *sad face*

Modifié par flemm, 04 novembre 2011 - 01:38 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hey flemm, long time no post lol. Just started watching Chuck last night. The accent's reduced but you can still pick it up. To say nothing of the amount of times I'll notice a split second look and think Miranda. I do love it when she smiles though... Miranda should smile more.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hey flemm, long time no post lol.

Yeah... it's been like a whole day since I last posted

Was just really busy yesterday.

CrutchCricket wrote...
Miranda should smile more.

I'm not sure they could reproduce Yvonne's smile in the game, though I'd be really pleased if they did.

Modifié par flemm, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:40 .

[Ieldra]

Yuqi wrote...
I'm not quite sure if this is the right place to ask this, but what is the fascination with Miranda's AU Accent? Do you guys in America really find it that appealing?

I find it incredibly, awkward. (It might be because I hear the AU accent all the time 24/7)
I like Miranda but the accent seems too strong.

As a non-native speaker, I usually don't notice the accent much unless I pay special attention to it. Which makes it all right for me. Certainly better than that heavy drawl they speak in some parts of the US. I wouldn't fail to notice (and be bothered by) that. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:58 .

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As a non-native speaker, I usually don't notice the accent much unless I pay special attention to it. Which makes it all right for me. Certainly better than that heavy drawl they speak in some parts of the US. I couldn't fail to notice (and be bothered by) that. 

 That would be southern/midwestern folk. Never had that problem being an east coaster. Can't go anywhere in the US without people asking if I'm from New York.

@ Yuqi
Yvonne's accent is the icing on the multi-layered Miranda cake. Can't get enough of it.  

Modifié par naledgeborn, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Ieldra]

jreezy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Tbh, I wouldn't mind as long as Miranda is one of those key relationships and not just those I don't like. And not just regarding relationships, mind you. I want Miranda to be one of the first-rank characters.

Since Cerberus is most likely important to the story I don't think you have anything to worry about.

I tell that to myself to keep my cautious optimism up, but that statement about old team members mainly doing their own thing in ME3 worries me. I want Miranda to do her own thing, of course, but not if that means almost everything she does is off-screen. 

Also I'm burned when it comes to my favorite characters. It feels almost like a curse. Whenever I find a fictional character I like passionately, she (most of the time it's a woman) either ends up dead, sidelined or chickified. To add insult to injury, she might end up married to a protagonist I despise and never considered worthy to lick her boots. At least that's something I'll have control over in ME3.

My biggest worry is this: I don't want to see a "reformed" Miranda who has "seen the light" or other such cheesy stuff (that would be the chickified version), but a badass and pragmatic Miranda who rejects Cerberus' excesses but still believes in her cause of advancing humanity, and who doesn't let her attachment to Shepard, if any, compromise that.

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
@ Yuqi
Yvonne's accent is the icing on the multi-layered Miranda cake. Can't get enough of it. 

Shall we now proceed to compare aspects of Miranda to layers of a cake?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Rise fellow Mirimancers/Mirimaniacs and vote for our Lovely Miri! Do NOT hesitate!

Show them our might!

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=26340

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hmm. The only thing I would disagree with Ieldra, is that there's any pressure for Miranda to "see the light" at all. I've said before any "redemption" requirement fans might want fulfilled has already been taken care of by her resignation from Cerberus (either the scene in ME2 or a confirmation of it in ME3). I don't know how many people even realize what Miranda's true goals or ideas might be. And even if they do, they are far enough from Cerberus' ideas to be considered different from them and also acceptable (perhaps with a slight "spin" on the presentation). Though I do wonder if direction will change.

Now I'm thinking of Liara. No one could've predicted before ME2 (or the comic, whichever came first) that Liara would be the one making deals for Shepard's body and eventually landing in the information broker business. It is quite likely that (even though the time frame is shorter) something might change Miranda's path. Her methods or dedication would not change so she'd be consistent that way but instead of working for human advancement she works for...something else I can't think of at the moment.

I wonder if such a shift would be acceptable to people here, again providing it was consistent in maintaining her methods, independence, dedication what have you.

Otherwise commence discussion on cake. I posit a hard shell exterior, possibly dark chocolate and that it is an ice cream cake to reflect Miranda's Defrosting Ice Queen arc.

[CrutchCricket]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Rise fellow Mirimancers/Mirimaniacs and vote for our Lovely Miri! Do NOT hesitate!

Show them our might!

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=26340

Miranda is third? Unacceptable. I'd encourage everyone to vote but I think instead of hordes of weak supporters we have a smaller group of strong ones. So.... yeah.

Vote.
And then win.
And then cake.

[raziel1980]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Rise fellow Mirimancers/Mirimaniacs and vote for our Lovely Miri! Do NOT hesitate!

Show them our might!

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=26340

Miranda is third? Unacceptable. I'd encourage everyone to vote but I think instead of hordes of weak supporters we have a smaller group of strong ones. So.... yeah.

Vote.
And then win.
And then cake.

Voted...though I have sheps with Liara and Garrus as well...but if Miranda is bi in ME 3...I may be changin them all to Mirimancers...

[naledgeborn]

We but heads yet again Crutch. Humanity first (with temperance) Miranda, or unfortunately it's back to the Shadow Broker for Shepard. Miranda is the future of Humanity. Sure she can supplement that with other goals and motivations, but Human advancement (especially in a setting where humans are number 4) should top her list of long-term priorities .

[CrutchCricket]

I was asking a question lol. Guess I have one answer.

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
We but heads yet again Crutch. Humanity first (with temperance) Miranda, or unfortunately it's back to the Shadow Broker for Shepard. Miranda is the future of Humanity. Sure she can supplement that with other goals and motivations, but Human advancement (especially in a setting where humans are number 4) should top her list of long-term priorities .

"What are you fighting for? The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms. Lawson?"

Beyond defeating the Reapers, most definitely I am fighting for that. But I don't mean it primarily in the political sense, though that may follow. More in the sense of Adam Jensen from DX:HR when he speaks of "stealing fire from the gods" in Sarif's ending. And I want Miranda to spearhead this advancement.

@CrutchCricket:
This is also my answer to you.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:03 .

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

"What are you fighting for? The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms. Lawson?"

Beyond defeating the Reapers, most definitely I am fighting for that. But I don't mean it primarily in the political sense, though that may follow. More in the sense of Adam Jensen from DX:HR when he speaks of "stealing fire from the gods" in Sarif's ending. And I want Miranda to spearhead this advancement.

Agreed. The political ramifications are just corollary. In Miranda's case I mean.

Off topic: I can't justify siding with Sarif though. Sure it means aggressive advancement, but it also means that corporations will wield a LOT more power over the commoner than they already do given the autonomy and utilization of private armies such as Bell Tower. Can't do it. It really is a "pick your poison ending". Side with Illuminati/Taggart and advancement like everything else is controlled by the "Man behind the Curtain". Tell the truth/go with Darrow and people will resent advancement. 

That's why I just killed everyone including Adam.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:24 .

[CaptainZaysh]

There are a million reasons not to jump into a thread at page 767, but.  I really loved this deviantART image of her.


I left the artist this feedback:

I really like it. She looks younger here than she does in ME2. "The Illusive Man recruited me at a young age." I imagine this is Miranda right after she fled her father. Less competent but also less cynical. Wilder. A badass biotic bitch with the whole universe at her feet, before the losses and disappointments and little compromises of military action made her the officer she is today. In personality more like Jack...which is maybe why she can't stand Jack.

I really like it, Ismael, it made me think more about the character, which says something about you as an artist.

Modifié par CaptainZaysh, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:54 .

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

"What are you fighting for? The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms. Lawson?"

Beyond defeating the Reapers, most definitely I am fighting for that. But I don't mean it primarily in the political sense, though that may follow. More in the sense of Adam Jensen from DX:HR when he speaks of "stealing fire from the gods" in Sarif's ending. And I want Miranda to spearhead this advancement.

Agreed. The political ramifications are just corollary. In Miranda's case I mean.

Off topic: I can't justify siding with Sarif though. Sure it means aggressive advancement, but it also means that corporations will wield a LOT more power over the commoner than they already do given the autonomy and utilization of private armies such as Bell Tower. Can't do it. It really is a "pick your poison ending". Side with Illuminati/Taggart and advancement like everything else is controlled by the "Man behind the Curtain". Tell the truth/go with Darrow and people will resent advancement. 

That's why I just killed everyone including Adam.

I'll continue this exchange because it might shed some light on how we imagine ME's advancement of humanity as spearheaded by Miranda.

To take the parallel directly to the ME universe: suppose that Miranda will research human enhancement technologies, either with "reformed Cerberus" or with a science foundation created from her father's fortune. The same problem applies as in DX:HR: those with either (1) control over the technology, (2) political power or (3) enough money will set things up to profit from any advancement first - and, if they have any say about it, exclusively, since human ambition is competitive: humans don't want simply to be longer-lived, healthier and smarter than before, they want to be longer-lived, healthier and smarter than the next human. Miranda is an idealist who can mitigate that tendency somewhat, but there's no avoiding it altogether unless humanity becomes ruled by an impartial (and absolutist) AI.  

So in the end, you can't avoid having *someone* controlling the process, and you have no control over the one in charge always being an idealist. The best you can do is to ensure, perhaps by law, that average humans profit from the advancement along with the privileged. And even that's a challenge.

In the case of genetic advancement, there's of course an alternative, but that takes a specific kind of ruthlessness: implement your enhancements as far as wide as possible, using a vector so powerful that everyone will be affected, similar to the way the genophage was spread. Or use your enhancements like a time-bomb, hiding in the genome of a few select carriers and make sure they duplicate themselves in every new generation (Elyvern and I used that setup in her story "Degrees of Inheritance"). I think Miranda would be perfectly capable of that kind of ruthlessness...

So it's either take the risk of letting humanity split into an optimized and a normal subspecies over time, or pull them all kicking and screaming into the future.