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[CrutchCricket]

strive wrote...

Well when a particular character hasn't had maybe but two lines said about her. And then you get absolutely nothing in the leak that we weren't suppose to see. It raises some flags. I don't think it is irrational.

I was under the impression some characters weren't mentioned at all and that others had spoilers that were much worse. It's one thing to state the worst case. It's another to nail it to your forehead and refuse to see anything else.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[flemm]

Anyway, there's no real reason to think that Bioware couldn't get Yvonne.

CrutchCricket wrote...

I was under the impression some characters weren't mentioned at all and that others had spoilers that were much worse. It's one think to state the worst case. It's another to nail it to your forehead and refuse to see anything else.

There is some info about Miranda, and it isn't very promising at all. I'm certainly open to the idea that appearances may be deceiving, but realistically it's not looking very good. And I don't really see any reason not to recognize that.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[wright1978]

This game sounds an absolute train wreck. Guess i'm going to have to wait for it to hit the bargain bin if half the small amount of spoilers i've caught are true. Miri reduced to a cameo damsel quest and a single romance dialogue is a joke. Never been so angry at myself for getting excited and trusting a game company to deliver on the on the potential of their first games set up.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

Anyway, there's no real reason to think that Bioware couldn't get Yvonne.

Well... last season of Chuck is being filmed. Might cause some friction. Still, I doubt it'd be enough to reduce Miranda to a cameo. Besides when was voice recording for ME2 done? Chuck's been on for years right? No problems before.

[mranderson25]

My thing with all of this is that it's a rough draft of the plot, and i'm quite sure that not all of the details of every mission is listed there. Also, there's no telling if this is the Paragon/Renegade/neutral version of the story, and i'm sure it doesn't take into account every single romance into the game either. The leak was probably just the BASIC story that covers the major points and nothing else.

As far as romance involvement, i'm not too worried, i remember something Casey Hudson posted on Twitter not too long ago: "We're spending the morning reviewing all the romance plots and scenes in #ME3. The team has done some amazing work - our best so far."

I'm sure the romances will all have some sort of satisfying conclusion, not just some "Hey, what's goin on, i'll talk to you for 2 minutes then send you an email" kind of situation.

[Errol Dnamyx]

flemm wrote...

Anyway, there's no real reason to think that Bioware couldn't get Yvonne.

True.
Ea has a studio in La where she lives and it would surprise me if she didn't have an afternoon or two to speak some lines. Especially since Chuck ends shooting this month.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[goofyomnivore]

CrutchCricket wrote...

strive wrote...

Well when a particular character hasn't had maybe but two lines said about her. And then you get absolutely nothing in the leak that we weren't suppose to see. It raises some flags. I don't think it is irrational.

I was under the impression some characters weren't mentioned at all and that others had spoilers that were much worse. It's one thing to state the worst case. It's another to nail it to your forehead and refuse to see anything else.

Yeah but those characters have been mentioned in advertising. Garrus has like two sentences about him, but they're very imporant sentences, and plus he has been marketed. Based off of the leak Jacob has more of a role in the plot. Jacob

Miranda no marketing, and just mostly bad news for her in the leak. I'm not refusing to see anything else, but there really isn't much to see.

I think she is going to be okay, but I'm more of the denial type. However I don't think it is irrational for others to be concerened.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[naledgeborn]

I believe both shooting and recording takes place in LA. Not seeing a huge conflict of interest here.

[Mhgasa]

wright1978 wrote...

This game sounds an absolute train wreck. Guess i'm going to have to wait for it to hit the bargain bin if half the small amount of spoilers i've caught are true. Miri reduced to a cameo damsel quest and a single romance dialogue is a joke. Never been so angry at myself for getting excited and trusting a game company to deliver on the on the potential of their first games set up.

What are you talking about, it doesnt say anything about that in the spoilers. The email mentioned doesnt exclude anything else, I think you´re filling in the blanks with your imagination and not with facts. An for the game being a mess, the spoilers are random bits of hacked info from a beta, were you expecting shakespeare?

[CrutchCricket]

strive wrote...

I think she is going to be okay, but I'm more of the denial type. However I don't think it is irrational for others to be concerened.

Concerned? Yes. Blind panic and constant repetition of "We're screwed", "I don't want Miranda at all now"  and "RUINED FOREVER" while ignoring arguments to the contrary? Not so justified.

[jtav]

I don't find arguments to the contrary persuasive. All we're seeing leads me to believe that being rescued is the sum total of her role.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

I don't find arguments to the contrary persuasive. All we're seeing leads me to believe that being rescued is the sum total of her role.

What do you think you'll be persuaded of? That Miranda is actually the most important part of the story and single-handedly saves the day? I can't make that claim.

What I can say is the evidence of the worst case scenario is inconclusive at best and should not be taken for granted. I'm arguing for the possibility of something more, something better. I'm introducing doubt that this is the worst thing ever. Frankly I would think that'd be more appreciated.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[flemm]

Ohei wrote...

So Miranda is the character you get a cute e-mail from then dies off-screen?

Well, I'm not seeing much evidence for the "dies offscreen" part. Basically it looks like you rescue her from her father. Then Shepard confronts the father, who has info on TIM's whereabouts. The second part would happen regardless of whether Miranda is alive.

CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm introducing doubt that this is the worst thing ever. Frankly I think that'd be more appreciated.

Some possibilities are still open, as I've acknowledged throughout. But it's not irrational at all to point out that they're looking increasingly unlikely. True, we could still be pleasantly surprised. Honestly, with this leaked info, almost anything would be an improvement.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:02 .

[mranderson25]

Even above the section that had her mission it said "ROUGH DRAFT OUTLINE", which leads me to believe there's more to it then what's been revealed so far...i'm not worried.

[MisterJB]

I think I'll write a fanfiction myself:
"Shepard, so heartbroken over the woman he loved dying on his arms after the battle had already been won, could not bring himself to destroy an entire system populated by innocent people. The Reapers arrived and everyone died.The end."

God, this sucks.

[ViSeiRa]

To the people who still don't think "We're screwed", now we know what Casey's "I hope she's okay" was all about, this is not simply a draft, and yes it's in-complete but it contains everything there's to know about Miranda.

[wright1978]

Mhgasa wrote...

What are you talking about, it doesnt say anything about that in the spoilers. The email mentioned doesnt exclude anything else, I think you´re filling in the blanks with your imagination and not with facts. An for the game being a mess, the spoilers are random bits of hacked info from a beta, were you expecting shakespeare?

If it looks like a duck, floats like a duck and quacks like one i'm going to assume it is a duck. In the same way this stinks of a Liara ME2 cameo with a romance scene tacked on and unless i see some evidence to the contrary i'm going to assume that's what it is.  Other bits of spoilers stink of railroading which is something i didn't expect from a game based around choice.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Some possibilities are still open, as I've acknowledged throughout. But it's not irrational at all to point out that they're looking increasingly unlikely. True, we could still be pleasantly surprised. Honestly, with this leaked info, almost anything would be an improvement.

I know you have flemm and I know the leak isn't encouraging. But such acknowledgments seem to be mere flickering candles in an ocean of wangst (or at least for the moment, a really big pond). I'm sorry but it just seems like there's a general refusal to do anything else but complain about how much this sucks.

[flemm]

ViSeirA wrote...

To the people who still don't think "We're screwed", now we know what Casey's "I hope she's okay" was all about, this is not simply a draft, and yes it's in-complete but it contains everything there's to know about Miranda.

Yes, that had occurred to me... *sad face*
 
I think the final product must contain an extra scene or two compared with what is implied here, because that would mean essentially one scene, and I doubt Mac Walters was lying when he referred to several. But anyway, ugh.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[Skullheart]

Even if they ruined and killed her character we still have the ME1 characters and awesome Vega in good course...


btw... SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER
Tali as Admiral and Jack as a teacher?

Modifié par Skullheart, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

ViSeirA wrote...

To the people who still don't think "We're screwed", now we know what Casey's "I hope she's okay" was all about, this is not simply a draft, and yes it's in-complete but it contains everything there's to know about Miranda.

Lovely. That's what we needed. A quote taken out of context to further the self-perpetuating cycle of "misery".<_<

[goofyomnivore]

I'm sorry but it just seems like there's a general refusal to do anything else but complain about how much this sucks.

That is classic BSN. I don't see what the big deal is.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

Oh Skullheart you and your "awesome Vega"...

You're totally romancing him aren't you?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:16 .

[jtav]

For why I'm so grim, I refer you to this from the "What we don't want" section:

*Miranda reduced to nothing more than a victim. Anyone can be in peril, but Miranda should retain her initiative and competence. We don't want her arc to center around whatever misfortune may befall her, such as capture and torture or for her to be nothing more than a device to prove the villains are dangerous. If she gets in peril, she should make a good showing of herself and suffer no mental/emotional breakdown or suchlike, neither in the situation nor after getting out of it.

And it sure looks like exactly that.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm sorry but it just seems like there's a general refusal to do anything else but complain about how much this sucks.

Well, it sucks. Or at least gives the very strong impression of sucking a lot. Beyond the acknowledgement that it might not suck as badly as it seems, I'm not really sure what else to add on that point.