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[MisterJB]

Skullheart wrote...
Even if they ruined and killed her character we still have the ME1 characters and awesome Vega in good course...

I'm angry enough without having to think about the ME1 characters thank you very much, may they all burn in a fire.

CrutchCricket wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

To the people who still don't think "We're screwed", now we know what Casey's "I hope she's okay" was all about, this is not simply a draft, and yes it's in-complete but it contains everything there's to know about Miranda.

Lovely. That's what we needed. A quote taken out of context to further the self-perpetuating cycle of "misery".<_<

Out of context? As soon as he said that, people started fearing that something like this would happen.
And lo and behold, here it is. Optimist is one thing, denial is another completely different.

[Skullheart]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Oh Skullheart you and your "awesome Vega"...

You're totally romancing him aren't you?

He just kinda of feel like captain awesome from Chuck. Even though we don't know anything from him (just the comic), but the devs are making and effort so we can like him...

So right know we are not expecting the best, just preparing for the worst. Right?

Modifié par Skullheart, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[ViSeiRa]

CrutchCricket wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

To the people who still don't think "We're screwed", now we know what Casey's "I hope she's okay" was all about, this is not simply a draft, and yes it's in-complete but it contains everything there's to know about Miranda.

Lovely. That's what we needed. A quote taken out of context to further the self-perpetuating cycle of "misery".<_<

Out of context? which one is that? the one that involved Casey telling us Miranda is in the game but he hopes she's okay or the one that involved Mike Gamble telling us Miranda has a "large role" in the game?

/sigh, I'm really tired of this, the same happened with DA2 on multiple levels and there always were some people hoping everything will work out.

[goofyomnivore]

Also for what is worth Miranda's Mission seems to have the most spaces in need of filling in. So that tells me her stuff is the least finished. However it is one of the shorter looking ones, so that may cancel that idea out.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

For why I'm so grim, I refer you to this from the "What we don't want" section:

*Miranda reduced to nothing more than a victim. Anyone can be in peril, but Miranda should retain her initiative and competence. We don't want her arc to center around whatever misfortune may befall her, such as capture and torture or for her to be nothing more than a device to prove the villains are dangerous. If she gets in peril, she should make a good showing of herself and suffer no mental/emotional breakdown or suchlike, neither in the situation nor after getting out of it.

And it sure looks like exactly that.

Does it? Precisely where is she shown "suffering mental/emotional breakdown or suchlike" in the leak? And while we're at since when is capture and/or torture merely a "device to prove villains are dangeous"? Certainly it can be used as such but where is it written that it must be necessarily so? Shepard got captured in Arrival. Does that make him a chump? And what about Liara? She needs to get rescued when you first meet her but right now she's probably the most powerful individual in the galaxy (for whatever that's worth).

There's a difference between "not ideal" and "worst thing ever" just as there's a difference between admitting a situation is bad and lamenting the end of the world. This leak is the former and deserves the former. Adopting the latter(s) and refusing to see otherwise is irrational.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Does it? Precisely where is she shown "suffering mental/emotional breakdown or suchlike" in the leak? And while we're at since when is capture and/or torture merely a "device to prove villains are dangeous"? Certainly it can be used as such but where is it written that it must be necessarily so? Shepard got captured in Arrival. Does that make him a chump? And what about Liara? She needs to get rescued when you first meet her but right now she's probably the most powerful individual in the galaxy (for whatever that's worth).

There's a difference between "not ideal" and "worst thing ever" just as there's a difference between admitting a situation is bad and lamenting the end of the world. This leak is the former and deserves the former. Adopting the latter(s) and refusing to see otherwise is irrational.

Well, I'm not really sure what you're arguing here. According to the leak, you get some emails from Miranda early in the game, then find her in a cell later on. Even as a rough draft of Miranda's involvement in the game, it's hardly a thrilling prospect.

Nobody is going nuts in the ways you are implying. Expressing understandable frustration would be a more apt description.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Out of context? As soon as he said that, people started fearing that something like this would happen.
And lo and behold, here it is. Optimist is one thing, denial is another completely different.

Here what is? How is she not OK? Point me to the specific line where it says "She's not OK". Can't find it? Don't worry. It's not there. There's a mission. Miranda's captured. Shepard busts her out. There are emails before hand. That's all you get from the leak!* Exactly what am I denying here?

ViSeirA wrote...
Out of context? which one is that? the one
that involved Casey telling us Miranda is in the game but he hopes she's
okay or the one that involved Mike Gamble telling us Miranda has a
"large role" in the game?

See above for the first part see this for the second: I think we certainly have different notions of "large role" if you believe this is it for Miranda and yet still constitutes a "large role" (assuming you hold both quotes to be equally true).

*Edited for wording.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:33 .

[Prudii Aden]

Let me know when you've all stopped being irrational.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Nobody is going nuts in the ways you are implying. Expressing understandable frustration is not the same as going nuts or treating it like the end of the world.

I don't know about that flemm. Show me some other posts that don't just repeat the same "this sucks" message. Or hell show me one where someone tries to change the subject. Frankly I'd must rather prefer the latter at this point...

[Skullheart]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Let me know when you've all stopped being irrational.

Good way to start the week... 

We all wanted something more from Miranda, she had potential. And now we know that she is in a damsel in distress situation, that she isn't the independent and efficient woman anymore. Let's just say that our moral (at least mine) might not be in its best state.

But eventually we'll get over it.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Show me some other posts that don't just repeat the same "this sucks" message. Or hell show me one where someone tries to change the subject. Frankly I'd must rather prefer the latter at this point...

This is the first news we've had to discuss, so obviously we are going to discuss it.

It isn't good news, so nobody is really pleased. Not sure why that's surprising. Eventually it will be digested and we'll move on.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[mineralica]

Skullheart wrote...

Even if they ruined and killed her character we still have the ME1 characters and awesome Vega in good course...


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Tali as Admiral and Jack as a teacher?

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[naledgeborn]

Optimism, out the window.

Almost everything I read from this supposed leak is garbage. Especially the ending. And if I don't have my favorite characters to look to when the plot gets ****ty there's really no point in going through with purchasing Mass Effect 3.

*Reaches out the window and grasps optimism by the hand Cliffhanger-style*
The good news about all of this is that this leak might or might not be legit.

[Ieldra]

All I can say is this:

At this point in time, it does look as if that fraction of a mission is "it" for Miranda and that she'll have almost no agency of her own, no role in the big picture and a screen presence so minimized that it might as well be a cameo. That's actually quite a bit worse than any scenario anyone could reasonably imagine after the info we got from tweets and at Gamescom.

Do I know that there isn't more? Of course not. But believing in something requires some evidence that it is actually there. So our fears rising to unprecedented heights is far from irrational. If there is more, why isn't there more?

If this is it for Miranda, then I'm going to let the Reapers win and make my Shepard kill himself. After that, I'll be done with this universe. No, I am not yet at that point, because the game isn't out yet, but this is the hardest hit my appreciation of ME3 has taken since I first played ME2.

[goofyomnivore]

Nobody is going nuts in the ways you are implying. Expressing understandable frustration would be a more apt description.

I would add apathy too.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...

And now we know that she is in a damsel in distress situation, that she isn't the independent and efficient woman anymore.

OK this is what I'm referring to. Yes it doesn't look good. But making unfounded claims like this justs makes the discussion worse. Because these types of things have a tendency to snowball. I know, I've even gotten caught up in it myself before. In fact it was off one of Skullheart's own posts earlier.

Remember the first time he posted the "awesome Vega" comment and everyone thought that's what had actually been said? What happened next? A bunch of posts (my own included I'm sorry to say), each more frantic about how much we wanted to space him, screw Vega and the VS and team Dextro etc etc ad absurdum. And what was the result? That wasn't even remotely near the original quote!

My concern is simple. By only stating "this sucks, this sucks" and wailing about it, that feeling (and yes it is more emotional at this point than it is logical) will pick up speed rolling over any rational arguments until all anyone can see is how much we got screwed. It gets blown out of proportion and no one bothers checking the facts anymore. That's all I ask. Be reasonable. Be rational. Check the facts.

Edit: Skullheart, didn't mean to single you out man. Just the example was right here...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Ieldra]

@naledgeborn:
You still appear to have more info than I have if you know something about the ending of Miranda's story arc. Would you please PM it to me?

BTW I don't believe that off-screen death rumor unless someone points me to a source. Not an unavoidable death.

[enayasoul]

All I can say is, Miranda does love Oriana and of course she'd want her to be safe! I do want to find out who Miranda's, bastard of a father, really is. He wouldn't be on Earth would he? Shepard gonna put a bullet in both Miranda's father and the Illusive man! As long as Miri keeps in contact how could that be bad? I mean, I hope that's not how she got caught. Ugh... I feel angry and yet can see how this could all play out. I am hoping for the best! Needs some optimism! *sniff*

Modifié par enayasoul, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:50 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
If there is more, why isn't there more?

Because it's a beta. Because it's a leak of a product that isn't due for another 4 months. Isn't this sufficient evidence to support the claim that  this may not be it? And isn't that claim enough reasonable doubt to not go batsh!t insane about how much this sucks and instead to discuss it from a more even keel?

That's all I want.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
 Yes it doesn't look good. But making unfounded claims like this justs makes the discussion worse. Because these types of things have a tendency to snowball.

It's true. For example, I don't think the leak suggests she will die off-screen.

So... party time?!?!?


I do understand what you're saying. I also think the final product will probably feel more substantial than this. But even if this scenario is fleshed out a lot to give Miranda a bit more agency, we'd still be looking at a huge disappointment.

As it stands we'd being looking at a barf-inducing sh*tfest, if I may be so bold

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:50 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Here what is? How is she not OK? Point me to the specific line where it says "She's not OK".

Has anyone here actually read the whole leak without skipping a single little thing? When someone does so and assures me that that person who wrote "Miranda dies offscreen" was just making wild assumptions, I'll relax somewhat.
Until there, yes, there's an indication that she is not ok.

There's a mission. Miranda's captured. Shepard busts her out.

There's another problem. "Shepard busts her out" Why was that necessary? Why not encounter Miranda midway during the mission and she joins the squad? Why does Miranda have to be in a cage waiting for someone to rescue her? Why couldn't we find her already out of the cage?
There are situations where Miranda needing Shepard's help would be acceptable (Garrus's RM for example). A cage is not.

That's all you get from the leak!*

How do you know that? Have you read all of it? I haven't.

Exactly what am I denying here?

That Miranda contacting Shepard through emails, needing rescue, the possibility that she migth die during said mission and that the leak referring to Miranda's Mission in the singular (it does not talk about Miranda's first mission) does not point towards Miranda being just a damnsel in distress or Shepard's LI in Mass Effect 3 which is unnaceptable.

 

for the first part see this for the second: I think we certainly have different notions of "large role" if you believe this is it for Miranda and yet still constitutes a "large role" (assuming you hold both quotes to be equally true).

Obviously, we think they were simply paying lip service to shut us up.

CrutchCricket wrote...
 Show me some other posts that don't just repeat the same "this sucks" message. Or hell show me one where someone tries to change the subject.

I did. I tried to change the subject to the many creatives ways in which we should torture and, subsequently, kill The Illusive Man for what did to Miranda and Oriana.

[naledgeborn]

But the leak does suck Crutch. What is there really does suck.
Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana? Shepard becoming one with the Reapers is the perfect ending? 

For ****'s sake how worse can it get?

[GuitarShredUK]

Ieldra2 wrote...

All I can say is this:

At this point in time, it does look as if that fraction of a mission is "it" for Miranda and that she'll have almost no agency of her own, no role in the big picture and a screen presence so minimized that it might as well be a cameo. That's actually quite a bit worse than any scenario anyone could reasonably imagine after the info we got from tweets and at Gamescom.

Do I know that there isn't more? Of course not. But believing in something requires some evidence that it is actually there. So our fears rising to unprecedented heights is far from irrational. If there is more, why isn't there more?

If this is it for Miranda, then I'm going to let the Reapers win and make my Shepard kill himself. After that, I'll be done with this universe. No, I am not yet at that point, because the game isn't out yet, but this is the hardest hit my appreciation of ME3 has taken since I first played ME2.

Hear hear, Ieldra. 

If this truly is it for Miranda in terms of the game and the story, then simply put I think several people with major stakes in the project - sorry for my tech-speak, but that's the best way I could describe it without naming names - have quite a lot of explaining to do. 

All this tight-lippedness about Miranda, questions about her and her role I took as being done for positive reasons; so that her role is so significant, well done and of high quality that it would make sense to leave it to the player to find out. However, from what I can gather from the discussion(s) here is that BW have kept her in the dark for the wrong reasons, i.e. that her role/mission/final story arc are so predictable that it's blindingly obvious. 

Now if this is the case (not saying that it will be, and I definitely hope it isn't) I will be very disappointed, and to some extent IMO I think Yvonne may be as well - which in turn leaves me to believe that there has to be more to Miranda, there just has to be.  

[ViSeiRa]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Out of context? As soon as he said that, people started fearing that something like this would happen.
And lo and behold, here it is. Optimist is one thing, denial is another completely different.

Here what is? How is she not OK? Point me to the specific line where it says "She's not OK". Can't find it? Don't worry. It's not there. There's a mission. Miranda's captured. Shepard busts her out. There are emails before hand. That's all you get from the leak!* Exactly what am I denying here?

ViSeirA wrote...
Out of context? which one is that? the one
that involved Casey telling us Miranda is in the game but he hopes she's
okay or the one that involved Mike Gamble telling us Miranda has a
"large role" in the game?

See above for the first part see this for the second: I think we certainly have different notions of "large role" if you believe this is it for Miranda and yet still constitutes a "large role" (assuming you hold both quotes to be equally true).

*Edited for wording.

Did you read the part about "Miranda's mission"? we're not being irrational at all, we have evidence and we acted according to it, nothing more nothing less, I'd best describe your reaction to all this as illogical... and to be clear, one of this quotes is up in the air, the other is just marketing bull****, which we should expect with someone like David Silverman at point.

Edit:  I checked the entire leak for everything regarding Miranda and there's nothing about her death whatsoever, I don't know where that guy got his info from, but it seems incorrect.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:01 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

naledgeborn wrote...

But the leak does suck Crutch. What is there really does suck.
Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana? Shepard becoming one with the Reapers is the perfect ending? 

For ****'s sake how worse can it get?

WHAT???? O_o

That's not a perfect ending. >