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[jtav]

I have cancelled my preorder. Should I be wrong, I can always reorder.

[goofyomnivore]

I haven't seen the off screen dieing bit either. I haven't even seen the email. However the Oriana plot hook and Shepard having to rescue her(and assuming Oriana for her too) just sounds weak to me no matter how you paint that picture.

If that is all we get that sucks. However I expect there will be more, but doesn't change the fact what they have considered so far to my knowledge isn't to my taste.

The hear no Miranda see no Miranda approach the dev team has taken hasn't helped my perception for her plot moving forward either. Especially when the leaked bits show her playing a very minimal and non important role. It looks like Shepard is obviously there for the info on TIM, and Miranda just happened to be there.

It isn't finished, but the information we have right now isn't promising. It can be changed or more parts added in, but what we may or may not know for sure certainly isn't ideal to most of her fans.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:01 .

[GuitarShredUK]

naledgeborn wrote...

But the leak does suck Crutch. What is there really does suck.
Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana? Shepard becoming one with the Reapers is the perfect ending? 

For ****'s sake how worse can it get?

Shepard = Neo in the Matrix?? No chance, that was/is one of the most bull**** and cheap sci fi endings I think I've ever seen.  

[Skullheart]

We'll some words to try raise the moral.

Even if the leaks are true, they aren't the final product and there could be changes. We can't judge something that we still haven't experienced. If her role is minimized we'll know it for real in march, not before that. If we start to panic for those leaks, we will be fools.

And if the leak about her mission is true, at least we'll have one of the scenes that we hoped: she confronting her father.

[Melra]

naledgeborn wrote...

But the leak does suck Crutch. What is there really does suck.
Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana? Shepard becoming one with the Reapers is the perfect ending? 

For ****'s sake how worse can it get?

Who cares about the universe more than family? No sane person that I know. World can burn for all I care.

[mineralica]

naledgeborn wrote...

But the leak does suck Crutch. What is there really does suck.
Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana? Shepard becoming one with the Reapers is the perfect ending? 

For ****'s sake how worse can it get?

About endings (sorta spoiler):

That you cited is ending 1/8. Check 8/8, it's more likely candidate for "perfect"

[MACharlie1]

MisterJB wrote...
Has anyone here actually read the whole leak without skipping a single little thing? When someone does so and assures me that that person who wrote "Miranda dies offscreen" was just making wild assumptions, I'll relax somewhat.
Until there, yes, there's an indication that she is not ok.

I'm not sure where someone got this notion that Miranda sends an email and then dies off screen but I've read the leak. Miranda does send a message...BEFORE her mission. 

There's a mission. Miranda's captured. Shepard busts her out.

There's another problem. "Shepard busts her out" Why was that necessary? Why not encounter Miranda midway during the mission and she joins the squad? Why does Miranda have to be in a cage waiting for someone to rescue her? Why couldn't we find her already out of the cage?
There are situations where Miranda needing Shepard's help would be acceptable (Garrus's RM for example). A cage is not.

A cell can be described as many things. We tend to think of it as a room with bars. But lets be honest; bars couldn't even hold the Biotic God. If she is in a cell, it'd probably be something like Jacks cyro. And Jack's biotics are way more powerful then Mirandas albeit less controlled. And we don't know what she's doing in the cell. Spitting in some guards face, picking a lock. Context people. 

That Miranda contacting Shepard through emails, needing rescue, the possibility that she migth die during said mission and that the leak referring to Miranda's Mission in the singular (it does not talk about Miranda's first mission) does not point towards Miranda being just a damnsel in distress or Shepard's LI in Mass Effect 3 which is unnaceptable.

The email (which was only a single line of whats going on) never stated that she needed rescuing - only that it's informing Shep on whats going on. She might die. Yes. Everyone might die. VS. Liara. Garrus. Tali. Legion. Thane. EVERYONE. If this is a problem that your favorite character is also among a dozen others who MIGHT perish, then go play a different game. 

As for Miranda's mission. Yes. It's singular. To me, that only means that she only has one mission DEVOTED to her story. Liara and Garrus both only have one also. And both involve the larger picture of the Shadow Broker and the Turians. Miranda's is so far the only real "personal" mission. 

NOBODY (with the exception of the VS in the way beginning as a note "former friend/lover?") gets a reference to love interests. Even Liara doesn't have a single referene to her romance sub-plot. Tali doesn't. Garrus doesn't. Thane doesn't. Nobody.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I hope that there is NO conflict where you have to choose to save either Miri or Oriana. That's technically unfair. We've waited TOO LONG to get our LI back, only to be caught up in such a
dilemma?

No way! That's a huge problem because either way we lose. Either Miri is killed, or we save Miri, but she'll never forgive us for sacrificing Oriana to save her. Either way, we lose Miri.

I'll tell you one thing, BioWare would most definitely **** up the Storyline for many players with horrid conflicts like this.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:11 .

[flemm]

MACharlie1 wrote...
As for Miranda's mission. Yes. It's singular. To me, that only means that she only has one mission DEVOTED to her story. Liara and Garrus both only have one also. And both involve the larger picture of the Shadow Broker and the Turians. Miranda's is so far the only real "personal" mission. 

It's pretty clear where Miranda's mission fits into the overal plot as well. However, yes to the bigger point that having only one mission devoted specifically to her is not necessarily a bad sign in and of itself.

Hence my point earlier that the positive interpretation of this is that it could work like a recruitment mission, where she joins you from that point forward. There's no real indication of that, and the mission seems to happen fairly late in the game (at least in this draft). But it's possible.

There's actually nothing about her dying in the leaked info (I do believe I have read all of it). After the email contact, there is an indication that "you don't hear anything further from Miranda," but all of that preceeds the mission. 

Somebody probably read that first part and mis-interpreted it as 'Miranda dies off-screen." It actually appears to mean, "you don't hear anything further from her, so you go investigate (i.e. launch her mission)."

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[naledgeborn]

mineralica wrote...

About endings (sorta spoiler):
That you cited is ending 1/8. Check 8/8, it's more likely candidate for "perfect"

I hope you're right. I've used that word a lot today. Getting tired of typing it.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:17 .

[jtav]

What gets me, is the leaked info seems designed to ****** off all returning fans, not just us. Quite a few characters have nightmare scenarios.

[DarkSeraphym]

mineralica wrote...

That you cited is ending 1/8. Check 8/8, it's more likely candidate for "perfect"

I only saw 3 endings. Where did you guys find 8 of them? Mind PMing them to me if you can remember the 8 variations?

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

What gets me, is the leaked info seems designed to ****** off all returning fans, not just us. Quite a few characters have nightmare scenarios.

Tell me about it. Everybody gets shafted. Last I checked I wasn't into patronizing sadism/masochism. Surprisingly, Miranda gets off relatively unscathed in comparsion to the rest of the squad.

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

I have cancelled my preorder. Should I be wrong, I can always reorder.

I haven't had time to catch up on the last 500 pages the leak undoubtedly generated. What little I've read of the leak strikes me as BS. As someone said yesterday, anyone who's played ME1 and ME2 could have made all this up. I'd have to extract the codex files (or whatever) myself or know someone who did in order to really buy it.

That said, if it's true, then yeah, riding off into the sunset of eternal AU fanfic sounds pretty good.

Modifié par drwells123, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[jtav]

Well, Houston confirmed it as a rough draft.

[Skullheart]

More than 10 pages since last night. Don't know if it is a good or bad thing.

[MisterJB]

MACharlie1 wrote...
I'm not sure where someone got this notion that Miranda sends an email and then dies off screen but I've read the leak. Miranda does send a message...BEFORE her mission. 

I'm aware of that. But have you read the whole leak, from start to finish? Every single ending? Can you confirm that Miranda does not have a mandatory death?

A cell can be described as many things. We tend to think of it as a room with bars. But lets be honest; bars couldn't even hold the Biotic God. If she is in a cell, it'd probably be something like Jacks cyro. And Jack's biotics are way more powerful then Mirandas albeit less controlled. And we don't know what she's doing in the cell. Spitting in some guards face, picking a lock. Context people. 

I don't like the idea of Shepard having to save Miranda on what might be her only presence in ME3, no matter the context.

The email (which was only a single line of whats going on) never stated that she needed rescuing - only that it's informing Shep on whats going on.

The fact that the first thing we hear from Miranda comes by way of email is upsetting and concerning. Characters like the VS meet Shepard in person.

She might die. Yes. Everyone might die. VS. Liara. Garrus. Tali. Legion. Thane. EVERYONE. If this is a problem that your favorite character is also among a dozen others who MIGHT perish, then go play a different game.

That's not the problem. The problem is that if Miranda can die on her very first mission on ME3, that significantly lessens the chances of her having an important role later in the game.

As for Miranda's mission. Yes. It's singular. To me, that only means that she only has one mission DEVOTED to her story. Liara and Garrus both only have one also. And both involve the larger picture of the Shadow Broker and the Turians. Miranda's is so far the only real "personal" mission. 

So far, I find the description of her one mission to be awful and I would like for her to have a more dignified one later in the game.

There's actually nothing about her dying in the leaked info (I do believe I have read all of it). After the email contact, there is an indication that "you don't hear anything further from Miranda," but all of that preceeds the mission. 
Somebody probably read that first part and mis-interpreted it as 'Miranda dies off-screen." It actually appears to mean, "you don't hear anything further from her, so you go investigate (i.e. launch her mission)."

That would calm me somewhat. However, it seems like that even if Miranda survives, she goes off with Oriana.
From what I've read so far, they couldn't have messed Miranda more if they had tried.

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

Well, Houston confirmed it as a rough draft.

Oh. Well, in that case I think I'll:
(a) start drinking now
( irrationally hope their rough drafts bear much less resemblance to the finished product than mine do.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

What gets me, is the leaked info seems designed to ****** off all returning fans, not just us. Quite a few characters have nightmare scenarios.

In fairness to Bioware and the writers, seeing a rough, skeletal draft like this is the worst possible way to get a first impression of the story, since all the meat is missing, none of the fine-tuning has happened, all we're getting is snippets, basically.

Anyway, it's their problem to deal with now. They may have to change their marketting strategy a bit, because between this leak and the mediocre MP reviews, I could see sales being affected.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[drwells123]

flemm wrote...

In fairness to Bioware and the writers, seeing a rough, skeletal draft like this is the worst possible way to get a first impression of the story, since all the meat is missing, none of the fine-tuning has happened, all we're getting is snippets, basically.

Anyway, it's their problem to deal with now. They may have to change their marketting strategy a bit, because between this leak and the mediocre MP reviews, I could see sales being affected.

I honestly don't care how long I have to wait for the thing provided it's right when I get it.

Shareholders have a different view, I'm afraid

[Skullheart]

where can I read the mp reviews?

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

That would calm me somewhat. However, it seems like that even if Miranda survives, she goes off with Oriana.
From what I've read so far, they couldn't have messed Miranda more if they had tried.

There's no real indication of what happens at the end, other than Miranda has a scene with Shepard, then Shepard goes in to confront the father. I have to believe, as Skullheart mentioned earlier, that at least Miranda would be there for that.

There's nothing at all about what happens next, though. She could go off with Oriana, and that would be that. Or, she could join Shepard's squad. It could plausibly swing either way.

Since the info you get from Miranda's father is the location of TIM, it's not too much of a stretch to think she would come along for that at least. Since that's apparently the last thing you do before the final battle, maybe she's there until then end. If you want to try to stretch it further, and put the "recruitment mission" at about mid-game, then she could still have a satisfactory role in the game, basically...

1) Rescue, scene with her father, Oriana subplot wrapped up.
2) On the squad for a while at least.
3) Scene with TIM.
4) Either she leaves for whatever reason, or she stays for the final battle.

It could still work like that. It's just that most of it would have to be missing from the leak. However, the rest of it plausibly would be missing, since it's not plot-relevant, other than TIM scene, of which there is only a small fragment in the leak.

So, that's the super-optimistic interpretation

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:41 .

[naledgeborn]

drwells123 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, Houston confirmed it as a rough draft.

Oh. Well, in that case I think I'll:
(a) start drinking now
( irrationally hope their rough drafts bear much less resemblance to the finished product than mine do.

I'm going with (a). *Breaks Hennesey seal* Want some?

[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...

Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana?

I'm going by what naledgeborn said here. I had assumed he was talking about the end of Miranda's mission.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana?

I'm going by what naledgeborn said here. I had assumed he was talking about the end of Miranda's mission.

He'll explain, I'm sure, but I think he was probably referring to the chunk of info that precedes the mission (Miranda going off to try to protect Oriana).

Past the bit about opening Miranda's cell and Shepard going to confront her father, there's no more info there that I can see.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:45 .