82210 réponses à ce sujet

[MACharlie1]

MisterJB wrote...
I'm aware of that. But have you read the whole leak, from start to finish? Every single ending? Can you confirm that Miranda does not have a mandatory death?

I have not. But I have done searches through it for every reference to Miranda (and a bunch other characters) Miranda's name is brought up I believe 5 times. The last time it's mentioned is in regards to her mission and the "feeling felt there" being similar to something that happens near the end game between Shepard and ...someone else (it's not a squad member). Every other time, it's in regards to either the message or the base. Her exact role in this is not in there at all. 

I don't like the idea of Shepard having to save Miranda on what might be her only presence in ME3, no matter the context.

Then hopefully this was edited out during rewrites. 

The fact that the first thing we hear from Miranda comes by way of email is upsetting and concerning. Characters like the VS meet Shepard in person.

...I don't know what to tell you. I think your being a little picky.

That's not the problem. The problem is that if Miranda can die on her very first mission on ME3, that significantly lessens the chances of her having an important role later in the game.

So can Tali. 

So far, I find the description of her one mission to be awful and I would like for her to have a more dignified one later in the game.

There really isn't a description. It's someone is doing something - take him out. There's no meat here. 

That would calm me somewhat. However, it seems like that even if Miranda survives, she goes off with Oriana.
From what I've read so far, they couldn't have messed Miranda more if they had tried.

Theres nothing to suggest she goes off with anyone. The last actual mention of any Miranda role is in the same sentence as her cell. 

drwells123 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, Houston confirmed it as a rough draft.

Oh. Well, in that case I think I'll:
(a) start drinking now
( irrationally hope their rough drafts bear much less resemblance to the finished product than mine 

Except for a few exceptions (I'm looking at you Star Wars prequels) nothing is ever released without being edited a dozen times over. No book, movie or game. Nothing. 

[naledgeborn]

What flemm said.

My thought on it is is that it's completely stupid. Not only does she get caught doing the same EXACT ****ing thing she already did with Shepard in ME2. She says "**** the war where all life in the galaxy hangs in the balance, I'm going to save Oriana!"

And before people call me hypocritical, yes it would be tough, but faced with that decision I would have chosen the galaxy before Miranda.

[CrutchCricket]

Nice to see people have calmed down somewhat and discussion is more open. If there was one thing I was pessimistic about it was this and I'm glad such was not the case.

Now to totally throw a wrench in the works: this sucks:P

[CrutchCricket]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Except for a few exceptions (I'm looking at you Star Wars prequels) nothing is ever released without being edited a dozen times over. No book, movie or game. Nothing. 

Oh please, we all know the prequels will get dozens of edits... after release, re-release, special editions, ULTRA DELUXE SPECIAL EDITION etc. None of them will make a damn difference though.

[Errol Dnamyx]

The fact that she tries to save her sister and fights for her against all odds makes me liker her even more. /unpopular opinion
People sometimes do stupid things, if their loved ones are in danger. That's the way it is.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:01 .

[MACharlie1]

naledgeborn wrote...

What flemm said.

My thought on it is is that it's completely stupid. Not only does she get caught doing the same EXACT ****ing thing she already did with Shepard in ME2. She says "**** the war where all life in the galaxy hangs in the balance, I'm going to save Oriana!"

And before people call me hypocritical, yes it would be tough, but faced with that decision I would have chosen the galaxy before Miranda.

I assume you didn't read it because...that isn't what happens. 

[naledgeborn]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

The fact that she tries to save her sister and fights for her against all odds makes me liker her even more. /unpopular opinion
People sometimes do stupid things when their loved ones are in danger. That's the way it is.

 Even if you have a point, I still don't like it. Especially since it's "The Prodigal Pt. II".

[CrutchCricket]

Hey how many of us have said they'd sacrifice such and such or millions for her? When it comes down to it, she's no better than us. Scary thought for some I know.

[MisterJB]

MACharlie1 wrote...
...I don't know what to tell you. I think your being a little picky.

Quite possible, yes. But, from what I can tell right now, the first time Shepard sees Miranda in ME3, she's in a cage. A bit unfair, if you ask me.

So can Tali. 

Yes but you can't compare the two cases. SPOILERSPOILERSTali became a bloody admiral.SPOILERSPOILERS

There really isn't a description. It's someone is doing something - take him out. There's no meat here. 

Miranda went to save Oriana (which we already did in the previous game) and she was captured. There's not many ways we can look at this, my only hope is that adding Cerberus to it even things out somewhat.

naledgeborn wrote...

What flemm said.

My thought on it is is that it's completely stupid. Not only does she get caught doing the same EXACT ****ing thing she already did with Shepard in ME2. She says "**** the war where all life in the galaxy hangs in the balance, I'm going to save Oriana!"

And before people call me hypocritical, yes it would be tough, but faced with that decision I would have chosen the galaxy before Miranda.

I think using Oriana as a plot hook again is universally hated. However, to be fair, the Sanctuary is a major Cerberus stronghold. Now that Mr. Lawson is back in bed with The Illusive Man, she could be saving Oriana and crippling Cerberus at the same time, which is my hope.
I just wish Oriana wasn't involved in at all.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:03 .

[naledgeborn]

MACharlie1 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

What flemm said.

My thought on it is is that it's completely stupid. Not only does she get caught doing the same EXACT ****ing thing she already did with Shepard in ME2. She says "**** the war where all life in the galaxy hangs in the balance, I'm going to save Oriana!"

And before people call me hypocritical, yes it would be tough, but faced with that decision I would have chosen the galaxy before Miranda.

I assume you didn't read it because...that isn't what happens. 

I did.

Shepard gets email.
Shepard gets second email.
Miranda gets caught looking for Oriana.
Shepard rescues Miranda.
They kiss and make up.
Shepard confronts Lawson Sr. for info on TIM

That's what I read. I know Lawson Sr. and TIM is involved, but that desperately and sloppily trying to fit "The Prodigal Pt. II" into ME3's main plot.

[wright1978]

Apparently Shep & Miri have the combined intellect of a senile goat because surely only people with that kind of intellect would have left Oriana in harms way after the SM.

[CrutchCricket]

Come to think of it though I don't see how the writers could've gotten out of the "Oriana as bait/rescue object" given that Miranda quitting potentially makes TIM and Lawson best buds. Though I do question what each of them hope to gain in universe with this.

Can Lawson still care about his ill-concieved legacy in the face of total annihilation? And how much can TIM benefit from one operative, even one as talented as Miranda?

This really sounds like a placeholder come to think of it. It's an obvious path writing wise but makes no sense in universe.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
I think using Oriana as a plot hook again is universally hated. However, to be fair, the Sanctuary is a major Cerberus stronghold. Now that Mr. Lawson is back in bed with The Illusive Man, she could be saving Oriana and crippling Cerberus at the same time, which is my hope.
I just wish Oriana wasn't involved in at all.

Well, it's not too much of a stretch to think that the final version will make the mission itself a lot cooler overall. In the leaks it's literally, "you find Miranda in a cell, reunion, you go talk to Miranda's father." That's like a statement of the essential facts, but details could change to make the whole thing dynamic, give Miranda a more active role, etc.

The summary of Jack's recruitment mission in ME2 might have been, "you find Subject zero in a cell, release her, then go confront the warden."

Having a scene between Miranda and her father is definitely on my wishlist. The other big thing is the end of the Cerberus arc. This is mandatory for Miranda's involvement to be satisfying. But it seems fairly plausible. After all, the thing you get from Miranda's father is TIM's location.

This could still work out ok, but really hinges on whether Miranda can join you at that point. As to Miranda having an impact on the bigger picture, it's not looking too good, but maybe there's more to how the Cerberbus arc ends than is contained in the leaks. There could be a Miranda-specific version, there's not much info there to go on.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:16 .

[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...
They kiss and make up.

Silly naledgeborn, only the ME1 romances matter. Maybe we'll see Miranda and Shepard shaking hands but only if we're lucky.

CrutchCricket wrote...

Come to think of it though I don't see how the writers could've gotten out of the "Oriana as bait/rescue object" given that Miranda quitting potentially makes TIM and Lawson best buds.

Destroying the Base should have prompted Miranda to leave the Normandy imediatelly to attend to Oriana's safety. I think that making ME2 playable beyond the SM messed some things too,

Though I do question what each of them hope to gain in universe with this.

Can Lawson still care about his ill-concieved legacy in the face of total annihilation? And how much can TIM benefit from one operative, even one as talented as Miranda?

This really sounds like a placeholder come to think of it. It's an obvious path writing wise but makes no sense in universe.

I don't know what Mr. Lawson gains from this (maybe he thinks that TIM's way is the only way the human race will survive) but the spoiler actually explains what TIM gains from this alliance. It was Mr. Lawson who set up the Sanctuary.

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

Silly naledgeborn, only the ME1 romances matter. Maybe we'll see Miranda and Shepard shaking hands but only if we're lucky.

Hey, I need something to look forward to. Crushing my dreams man, crushing my dreams.

[wright1978]

MisterJB wrote...

Silly naledgeborn, only the ME1 romances matter. Maybe we'll see Miranda and Shepard shaking hands but only if we're lucky.

But they'll shake hands in the bedroom!

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Destroying the Base should have prompted Miranda to leave the Normandy imediatelly to attend to Oriana's safety. I think that making ME2 playable beyond the SM messed some things too,

Agreed. But they didn't write it like that, hence they sort of backed themselves towards this. In-universe it is possible that between Miranda's resignation and the time it takes to go back to Illium Cerberus already snatched Oriana on TIM's orders. So even immediately rushing might not have been enough to prevent it.

I don't know what Mr. Lawson gains from this (maybe he thinks that TIM's way is the only way the human race will survive) but the spoiler actually explains what TIM gains from this alliance. It was Mr. Lawson who set up the Sanctuary.

Just re-read that. I get TIM's side of the deal. I suppose it's also possible TIM lied to Lawson and said that if he ran Sanctuary and took in refugees, he'd get a top spot among the saved and have Oriana to boot. Flimsy, but plausible.

[MisterJB]

wright1978 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Silly naledgeborn, only the ME1 romances matter. Maybe we'll see Miranda and Shepard shaking hands but only if we're lucky.

But they'll shake hands in the bedroom!

Ooooooh, kinky stuff.

[jtav]

Not that it actually helps, but would there be any interest in an AU where Miranda shot and killed her father during her escape and therefore never joined Cerberus? I need something to disappear into where this not only didn't happen, but it can't.

[CrutchCricket]

Sure but won't that make it harder for you when you go back ingame?

[mineralica]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Come to think of it though I don't see how the writers could've gotten out of the "Oriana as bait/rescue object" given that Miranda quitting potentially makes TIM and Lawson best buds. Though I do question what each of them hope to gain in universe with this.

<...>

Miranda and Shepard might go rescue Oriana straight after destruction of CB. In fact, that's my headcanon.

[CrutchCricket]

mineralica wrote...
Miranda and Shepard might go rescue Oriana straight after destruction of CB. In fact, that's my headcanon.

See above reply to MisterJB

[jtav]

Canceled my pre-order remember?

[CrutchCricket]

So you're completely done with the game for good?

[Skullheart]

You can always order it again...