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[jtav]

Unless and until I receive additional information suggesting my assumptions were wrong, yes, I'm done.

[Skullheart]

The leak was an early rough draft. I'm sure that the devs team at least check the character forums once in a while. There could be several changes in the story regarding Miranda. Take Thane as example.

[CrutchCricket]

There is reason to doubt that your assumptions are necessarily true. But what you do with your game (or lack of one) is up to you.

[Hillbillyshep]

The temp-thing really pisses me!
But yeah, don´t forget Thane.
Well, at least we get to see mr. Lawson...

[Labrev]

Melrache wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

But the leak does suck Crutch. What is there really does suck.
Miranda forsakes the galaxy for Oriana? Shepard becoming one with the Reapers is the perfect ending? 

For ****'s sake how worse can it get?

Who cares about the universe more than family? No sane person that I know. World can burn for all I care.

This.

People are fighting to save what is important to them. For Miranda, it's her sister, and it seems it always has been. I assure you, Miranda will not be alone in that either. Other people, races, nations, organizations will all do the same: fight to protect their interests first, and themselves second.

[MisterJB]

Involving Oriana again is just lazy writing at its worst.

[jtav]

Especially when she the director of Lazarus and high-ranking officer in her own right. She struck me as a big picture person in ME2. Saving the universe *is* saving Oriana.

[CrutchCricket]

We've had a picture drought lately. Please rectify.

[Melra]

Oh please, then you have some weird image of Miri printed into your brain. What's the point of saving anyone, if the people you care about, aren't there? There's no reason.

If she's directly threatened, it's just logical that she'll go to protect her first. Personal stuff out of the way first, then the mission at hand.

[redBadger14]

Reading the reactions here are hilarious.

Last time I checked, Mac Walters and others wrote the story, not us. And they are far more experienced last I checked too.

Idk, I'm probably just an idiot.

[Melra]

Not anymore ridiculous than your reaction to the reactions. Rought draft or not, if people already find that bad, then they might as well raise over it to possibly get some more pleasant changes.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I hope for the best for all of us. Thatt's all I can think of for right nnow.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 novembre 2011 - 07:58 .

[redBadger14]

I'm all for a protest, Mel, don't get me wrong. I'm a Miranda fan like everyone else here and am one of the early people in the group/thread.

But the number of people who act like their Miranda is the one BioWare should write is a little rediculous. Sorry guys. I could see room for some changes to the plot writing surrounding Miranda, but the overall scheme of things looks fine to begin with. I honestly don't see the high-level of outrage, but then again that may just be me.

I'm sure a lot of people didn't like how Eddard Stark was killed off in A Game of Thrones, but that's how it was written, and it was good writing by George R.R. Martin. *random connection*

[MisterJB]

It's just...it's obvious that Miranda's role in this storyline is secondary. Shepard will go to Sanctuary anyway and he'll get the info on TIM from Miranda's father even if Miranda died.
Fine, she could not have an essential role since she can die in the SM. However, it's like Bioware did not give a ****! Oriana! AGAIN! There's absolutely nothing else you could have used Miranda for? No other aspect of her personality that could have been focused on? Are they trying to give strength to the claims that Miranda's character development is restricted to Oriana?

edit: I look at the other characters in ME3, I see growth. I look at Miranda, I see stagnation.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:04 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

redBadger14 wrote...

I'm all for a protest, Mel, don't get me wrong. I'm a Miranda fan like everyone else here and am one of the early people in the group/thread.

But the number of people who act like their Miranda is the one BioWare should write is a little rediculous. Sorry guys. I could see room for some changes to the plot writing surrounding Miranda, but the overall scheme of things looks fine to begin with. I honestly don't see the high-level of outrage, but then again that may just be me.

I'm sure a lot of people didn't like how Eddard Stark was killed off in A Game of Thrones, but that's how it was written, and it was good writing by George R.R. Martin. *random connection*

So your sayng if Miri dies, unwillingly, without any way of fixing it, we should live with it???? 

[redBadger14]

Or maybe they saw a writing opportunity with Oriana? Again, I don't see what is inherently wrong or evil about it. I would say family is a strong point that runs with how the Reapers are destroying all life in the galaxy. If the world were to potentially end in 12 hours, who would you talk to the most before you died? Your family. Or at least, thats what most people tell me.

Don't forget this is also a video game. I'm sure we would all like the plot writing to be as in depth as a very good novel, but that just can't happen. Budgets, disc space, etc. Remember?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

It's just...it's obvious that Miranda's role in this storyline is secondary. Shepard will go to Sanctuary anyway and he'll get the info on TIM from Miranda's father even if Miranda died.
Fine, she could not have an essential role since she can die in the SM. However, it's like Bioware did not give a ****! Oriana! AGAIN! There's absolutely nothing else you could have used Miranda for? No other aspect of her personality that could have been focused on? Are they trying to give strength to the claims that Miranda's character development is restricted to Oriana?

edit: I look at the other characters in ME3, I see growth. I look at Miranda, I see stagnation.

I don't think the devs like Miri. If it wasn't for us, they would have probably dropped her for ME3. 

It's like they love to see us in such a dilemma as this, as if they tell us, "You want Miranda? Here ya go! No more, no less. Goodbye and leave us in peace."

It's like they respect of mancers more...... >

[jtav]

Exactly, MisterJB. She's a prop. A pathetic prop. I love her love for Oriana--and I just wrote a fic where she's a doting parent, so don't say I'm opposed to that side of her--but it really sounds as if the worst has happened. She's not important in her own right but for the emotions she elicits in the player. Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Exactly, MisterJB. She's a prop. A pathetic prop. I love her love for Oriana--and I just wrote a fic where she's a doting parent, so don't say I'm opposed to that side of her--but it really sounds as if the worst has happened. She's not important in her own right but for the emotions she elicits in the player. Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

Still 4 months away?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

"Miranda will have a large role in ME3. She will have unfinished business with Shepard, especially if you romanced her."

Are you ****ing telling me that that was ALL a lie???? A dev told us that! A ****ing dev! Lying like that could get get you into trouble, seriously.

I should go ask Jessie Houston about this. That right there IS and outrage!

[Melra]

I wouldn't say that Miranda lacks growth with what I've seen so far. She might lack screentime, but I wouldn't rule the possibility of growth. Nor do I see the problem with Oriana, as long as they delve more into her this time and not have her as mute character, that's only seen briefly without even hearing her speak.

Even if I am not buying the game, I need to make sure that I get my quality ass shot YouTube vids, romance scenes and such, when the game comes out.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

In a Cerberus jail cell hugging her knees.

[Dr. Doctor]

I personally like the idea of the Sanctuary because it mirrors what the Protheans attempted to do on Ilos. It makes sense that TIM's grand scheme is to create a place where humanity can ride out the proverbial storm and then come back as the dominant species after the fall of galactic civilization.

At the end of the Sur'Kesh mission (second part of the demo) Shepard attempts to question a dying Cerberus trooper about why Cerberus was attacking the Salarian base to no avail.

I think that in the early missions Shepard will come under attack from Cerberus prompting the squad to root out the source of the attacks. Presumably, at some point we come in contact with Miranda and that starts the Cerberus story arc.

I can't really comment on the whole Oriana situation because I don't have a script or a context for the situation to form a hypothesis off of. However I do get the feeling that the outcome of the LM could have an impact on this in ME3.

[redBadger14]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

I'm all for a protest, Mel, don't get me wrong. I'm a Miranda fan like everyone else here and am one of the early people in the group/thread.

But the number of people who act like their Miranda is the one BioWare should write is a little rediculous. Sorry guys. I could see room for some changes to the plot writing surrounding Miranda, but the overall scheme of things looks fine to begin with. I honestly don't see the high-level of outrage, but then again that may just be me.

I'm sure a lot of people didn't like how Eddard Stark was killed off in A Game of Thrones, but that's how it was written, and it was good writing by George R.R. Martin. *random connection*

So your sayng if Miri dies, unwillingly, without any way of fixing it, we should live with it???? 

I wouldn't say unwillingly. Obviously if Miranda just up and dies for no good reason and we can't do anything about it then yeah, I would be upset. But if she dies in the name of a cause she felt wholly just to protect or fight for or what have you, then I wouldn't mind. I would prefer the option to save her, if that were the case.

I'll go back to A Game of Thrones; Eddard Stark died a man of honor. Sure at the last minute he lied to save himself, but what was that for again? For his family. He wanted to live for Sansa, Arya, Robb, Bran, etc. And he died by Joffrey, an evil tyrant. But he died trying to protect what was most precious to him. If Miranda dies in this same respect (for Oriana for instance), and IF we have no choice in the matter, then I feel that to be a powerful plot tool and totally fine.

[Melra]

naledgeborn wrote...

jtav wrote...

Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

In a Cerberus jail cell hugging her knees.

Or maybe she has given into her insatiable lust and is now banging the Cerberus guards, that were guarding her? Only to turn on Shepard, when he/she comes and snaps his/her neck. *Critical Mission Failure*