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[AccursedOdin]

jtav wrote...

Exactly, MisterJB. She's a prop. A pathetic prop. I love her love for Oriana--and I just wrote a fic where she's a doting parent, so don't say I'm opposed to that side of her--but it really sounds as if the worst has happened. She's not important in her own right but for the emotions she elicits in the player. Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

For all we know, she's still there. The game isn't even out yet, and things may have changed from the design doc. I highly doubt it, but being cautiously optimistic doesn't cost you anything, does it? 

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:15 .

[Bio Addict]

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

[naledgeborn]

Melrache wrote...


Or maybe she has given into her insatiable lust and is now banging the Cerberus guards, that were guarding her? Only to turn on Shepard, when he/she comes and snaps his/her neck. *Critical Mission Failure*

Saren theme song plays...

[Melra]

AccursedOdin wrote...

jtav wrote...

Exactly, MisterJB. She's a prop. A pathetic prop. I love her love for Oriana--and I just wrote a fic where she's a doting parent, so don't say I'm opposed to that side of her--but it really sounds as if the worst has happened. She's not important in her own right but for the emotions she elicits in the player. Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

For all we know, she's still there. The game isn't even out yet, and things may have changed from the design doc. I highly doubt it, but being cautiously optimistic doesn't cost you anything, does it? 

It hurts, when the truth comes around the corner on release day.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

redBadger14 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

I'm all for a protest, Mel, don't get me wrong. I'm a Miranda fan like everyone else here and am one of the early people in the group/thread.

But the number of people who act like their Miranda is the one BioWare should write is a little rediculous. Sorry guys. I could see room for some changes to the plot writing surrounding Miranda, but the overall scheme of things looks fine to begin with. I honestly don't see the high-level of outrage, but then again that may just be me.

I'm sure a lot of people didn't like how Eddard Stark was killed off in A Game of Thrones, but that's how it was written, and it was good writing by George R.R. Martin. *random connection*

So your sayng if Miri dies, unwillingly, without any way of fixing it, we should live with it???? 

I wouldn't say unwillingly. Obviously if Miranda just up and dies for no good reason and we can't do anything about it then yeah, I would be upset. But if she dies in the name of a cause she felt wholly just to protect or fight for or what have you, then I wouldn't mind. I would prefer the option to save her, if that were the case.

But that's a huge problem. Either way we lose Miri. If we choose Oriana, Miri dies (), and if you save Miri, she will never want to speak to you nor forgive you ever again for sacrificing Oriana to save her. Either way, we lose Miri. 

[AccursedOdin]

Melrache wrote...
It hurts, when the truth comes around the corner on release day.

The keyword is cautious. Cautious optimisim.

[CrutchCricket]

naledgeborn wrote...

jtav wrote...

Where's the director of Lazarus who believes with all her heart in humanity?

In a Cerberus jail cell hugging her knees.

Just outside your mind wondering why she's been replaced by unfounded assumptions based off an outdated leak.

[MisterJB]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I personally like the idea of the Sanctuary because it mirrors what the Protheans attempted to do on Ilos. It makes sense that TIM's grand scheme is to create a place where humanity can ride out the proverbial storm and then come back as the dominant species after the fall of galactic civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that's not Sanctuary's purpose. They take refugees, yes. But it's refugees from alien races that are then placed on Dragon's Teeth.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:21 .

[redBadger14]

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

This

[Melra]

MisterJB wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I personally like the idea of the Sanctuary because it mirrors what the Protheans attempted to do on Ilos. It makes sense that TIM's grand scheme is to create a place where humanity can ride out the proverbial storm and then come back as the dominant species after the fall of galactic civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that's not Sanctuary's purpose. They take refugees, yes. But it's refugees from alien races that then are placed on Dragon's Teeth.

Or maybe they're turned into Broodmothers from the future!

[redBadger14]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

I'm all for a protest, Mel, don't get me wrong. I'm a Miranda fan like everyone else here and am one of the early people in the group/thread.

But the number of people who act like their Miranda is the one BioWare should write is a little rediculous. Sorry guys. I could see room for some changes to the plot writing surrounding Miranda, but the overall scheme of things looks fine to begin with. I honestly don't see the high-level of outrage, but then again that may just be me.

I'm sure a lot of people didn't like how Eddard Stark was killed off in A Game of Thrones, but that's how it was written, and it was good writing by George R.R. Martin. *random connection*

So your sayng if Miri dies, unwillingly, without any way of fixing it, we should live with it???? 

I wouldn't say unwillingly. Obviously if Miranda just up and dies for no good reason and we can't do anything about it then yeah, I would be upset. But if she dies in the name of a cause she felt wholly just to protect or fight for or what have you, then I wouldn't mind. I would prefer the option to save her, if that were the case.

But that's a huge problem. Either way we lose Miri. If we choose Oriana, Miri dies (), and if you save Miri, she will never want to speak to you nor forgive you ever again for sacrificing Oriana to save her. Either way, we lose Miri. 

 Its the power of the story and the writing that matters. If the loss of Miranda illicits the type of reaction you are showing, then the writing was powerful, effective, did its job, and was good. Now the whole "never want to speak to you again" thing I can see BioWare fixing that up before the game releases. Two different choices with two different but symbolically similiar outcomes is a little odd IMO. Maybe romance variables will affect whether or not Miranda doesn't want to talk to Shepard anymore. This is not clear as of yet.

Again, the emotion that comes from the writing is important. When Eddard Stark died, I think a wide range of emotions flowed through my head. None of which I'll go into detail here XD

[redBadger14]

AccursedOdin wrote...

Melrache wrote...
It hurts, when the truth comes around the corner on release day.

The keyword is cautious. Cautious optimisim.

This

[Melra]

redBadger14 wrote...

AccursedOdin wrote...

Melrache wrote...
It hurts, when the truth comes around the corner on release day.

The keyword is cautious. Cautious optimisim.

This

Requires too much faking and control. I prefer chaos.

[MisterJB]

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

It's not about the writers taking Miranda in a direcion that I might not approve of. It's about the writers taking her nowhere.

SPOILERS

In ME3, Jack is a teacher for Biotic kids. That's growth.
Tali has become an admiral. Growth.
Miranda is trying to save her sister from their father. Again.

SPOILERS

That's what bothers me. It might be that I will be pleasently surprised even before the game is out but until then, I'll continue on being disgruntled and I'll continue on writing in hopes that some devs migth chance upon these posts.

[flemm]

I don't have any problem with Miranda going after Oriana. Not really a dream scenario for me by any means, but whatever. I would obviously have a problem with rescuing her from that being her only role in the game.

It's a little early to conclude that this is so, even though the leak does make it seem that way. Given that Miranda's father leads directly to TIM, I'm a little sceptical that Miranda wouldn't at least come along for that. Just seems like that would be the natural flow of events.

If so, then there would be at least two important scenes that we would likely all want to see. It would all have to lead somewhere for it to really work as a final arc for the character, obviously. Anyway, all the talk of Miranda dying during the mission strikes me as premature to say the least, since there's no mention of that anywhere in the leak.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:57 .

[Melra]

What the fecking direction could she have ''grown'' into, when you take into account that she's been working for Cerberus. She's ''released'' from Cerberus, Cerberus goes after Oriana. Eh.. It's only logical. Not really the best time to start your own organization or trying to get back in good terms with Alliance. Well she could've always started modeling.

[CrutchCricket]

Melrache wrote...

What the fecking direction could she have ''grown'' into, when you take into account that she's been working for Cerberus. She's ''released'' from Cerberus, Cerberus goes after Oriana. Eh.. It's only logical. Not really the best time to start your own organization or trying to get back in good terms with Alliance. Well she could've always started modeling.

Not released. Resigned. Big difference. Also minimum six months from the end of ME2. Plenty of time to do stuff. Stuff I'm sure will be revealed in due time or left for us to fill in for ourselves..

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:32 .

[redBadger14]

MisterJB wrote...

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

It's not about the writers taking Miranda in a direcion that I might not approve of. It's about the writers taking her nowhere.

SPOILERS

In ME3, Jack is a teacher for Biotic kids. That's growth.
Tali has become an admiral. Growth.
Miranda is trying to save her sister from their father. Again.

SPOILERS

That's what bothers me. It might be that I will be pleasently surprised even before the game is out but until then, I'll continue on being disgruntled and I'll continue on writing in hopes that some devs migth chance upon these posts.

You have to remember that Miranda, in ME2, arguably had more character growth than Tali or Jack.

[AccursedOdin]

Melrache wrote...

What the fecking direction could she have ''grown'' into, when you take into account that she's been working for Cerberus. She's ''released'' from Cerberus, Cerberus goes after Oriana. Eh.. It's only logical. Not really the best time to start your own organization or trying to get back in good terms with Alliance. Well she could've always started modeling.

With looks like hers....she could have landed a starring role on a dramedy about spies.

[naledgeborn]

Melrache wrote...

Requires too much faking and control. I prefer chaos.

[Melra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Melrache wrote...

What the fecking direction could she have ''grown'' into, when you take into account that she's been working for Cerberus. She's ''released'' from Cerberus, Cerberus goes after Oriana. Eh.. It's only logical. Not really the best time to start your own organization or trying to get back in good terms with Alliance. Well she could've always started modeling.

Not released. Resigned. Big difference. Also minimum six months from the end of ME2. Plenty of time to do stuff. Stuff I'm sure will be revealed in due time or left for us to fill in for ourselves..

Who cares? She only had Cerberus, Oriana and Shepard. Rather stick to something that people can see coming, rather than pulling retarded rabbit out of the hat and hoping people are okey with it.

naledgeborn wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Requires too much faking and control. I prefer chaos.

*snip*

You rang?

Modifié par Melrache, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:36 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'd think with Cerberus being 40% of the enemies, TIM's plans, humanity being at the center of the war, etc. The "perfect" human whom has worked for Cerberus and is one TIM's top agents would grow into a prominent role. However her destiny is controlled by Oriana again. I'd like to see Miranda do something on her own. Not influenced by Shepard, her Father, TIM, or Oriana. A huge opportunity of "growth" looks to be wasted. JMO though

I have no problems with her saving her sister, but I think the plot could of gone in a better direction for her character.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:38 .

[Ryzaki]

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

Same. 

It's kind of funny watching some of the character threads explode in nerdrage though. 

[redBadger14]

AccursedOdin wrote...

Melrache wrote...

What the fecking direction could she have ''grown'' into, when you take into account that she's been working for Cerberus. She's ''released'' from Cerberus, Cerberus goes after Oriana. Eh.. It's only logical. Not really the best time to start your own organization or trying to get back in good terms with Alliance. Well she could've always started modeling.

With looks like hers....she could have landed a starring role on a dramedy about spies.

Gosh, that's a great idea!

[CrutchCricket]

Melrache wrote...
Who cares? She only had Cerberus, Oriana and Shepard. Rather stick to something that people can see coming, rather than pulling retarded rabbit out of the hat and hoping people are okey with it.

Hmm... Thanks for proving a point I made earlier in this thread about how a part of the fanbase only sees the surface and doesn't analyze the characters as deeply as is done here. Bit moot now I think but still nice to be validated.