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[Melra]

strive wrote...

I'd think with Cerberus being 40% of the enemies, TIM's plans, humanity being at the center of the war, etc. The "perfect" human whom has worked for Cerberus and is one TIM's top agents would grow into a prominent role. However her destiny is controlled by Oriana again. I'd like to see Miranda do something on her own. Not influenced by Shepard, her Father, TIM, or Oriana. A huge opportunity of "growth" looks to be wasted. JMO though

Only if Oriana's safety is properly explained, otherwise it would've made Cerberus look completely dumb for not taking advantage of the opportunity.

[CrutchCricket]

strive wrote...

I'd think with Cerberus being 40% of the enemies, TIM's plans, humanity being at the center of the war, etc. The "perfect" human whom has worked for Cerberus and is one TIM's top agents would grow into a prominent role. However her destiny is controlled by Oriana again. I'd like to see Miranda do something on her own. Not influenced by Shepard, her Father, TIM, or Oriana. A huge opportunity of "growth" looks to be wasted. JMO though

I have no problems with her saving her sister, but I think the plot could of gone in a better direction for her character.

Still can, in 4 months.

[goofyomnivore]

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the
spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is
mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still
be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say
that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in
the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve
of" style panic.

I dunno. The only LI I saw mentioned less than Miranda was Garrus, but his two sentences seem to imply he is doing something pretty important to the plot. Well Kaidan too technically I guess. Garrus has had some media attention(one of the first reveals and Kaidan is prob = to Ashley in plot time).

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:45 .

[goofyomnivore]

Still can, in 4 months.

I've never said it couldn't happen. I'm just analyzing the information put in front of me. I'm actually fairly optimistic that Miranda will get her due. However I think the Oriana plot should be replaced with something else.

I'm not proclaiming the end of the world or Miranda, but just sharing my opinion on the transcript and the idea of Oriana plot hook. I even used the word "looks". I didn't say it was the final verdict they had chosen.

Modifié par strive, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:43 .

[Hillbillyshep]

redBadger14 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

It's not about the writers taking Miranda in a direcion that I might not approve of. It's about the writers taking her nowhere.

SPOILERS

In ME3, Jack is a teacher for Biotic kids. That's growth.
Tali has become an admiral. Growth.
Miranda is trying to save her sister from their father. Again.

SPOILERS

That's what bothers me. It might be that I will be pleasently surprised even before the game is out but until then, I'll continue on being disgruntled and I'll continue on writing in hopes that some devs migth chance upon these posts.

You have to remember that Miranda, in ME2, arguably had more character growth than Tali or Jack.

No, Jack had arguably more character development.
Miri´s only growth was that "superiority/inferiority-complex"-crap. And her sister.

[CrutchCricket]

strive wrote...

I've never said it couldn't happen. I'm just analyzing the information put in front of me. I'm actually fairly optimistic that Miranda will get her due. However I think the Oriana plot should be replaced with something else.

Possibly it will. It seems too obvious to me and it feels like a placeholder.

[Melra]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

It's not about the writers taking Miranda in a direcion that I might not approve of. It's about the writers taking her nowhere.

SPOILERS

In ME3, Jack is a teacher for Biotic kids. That's growth.
Tali has become an admiral. Growth.
Miranda is trying to save her sister from their father. Again.

SPOILERS

That's what bothers me. It might be that I will be pleasently surprised even before the game is out but until then, I'll continue on being disgruntled and I'll continue on writing in hopes that some devs migth chance upon these posts.

You have to remember that Miranda, in ME2, arguably had more character growth than Tali or Jack.

No, Jack had arguably more character development.
Miri´s only growth was that "superiority/inferiority-complex"-crap. And her sister.

Then you were really blind.

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

I dunno. The only LI I saw mentioned less than Miranda was Garrus, but his two sentences seem to imply he is doing something pretty important to the plot. Well Kaidan too technically I guess.

Huh? Where was that? The only thing I saw related to Garrus was about his passive ability. 

[goofyomnivore]

Ryzaki wrote...

strive wrote...

I dunno. The only LI I saw mentioned less than Miranda was Garrus, but his two sentences seem to imply he is doing something pretty important to the plot. Well Kaidan too technically I guess.

Huh? Where was that? The only thing I saw related to Garrus was about his passive ability. 

Garrus Spoilers

Garrus is escorting the Primarch? I assume that is the Turian President to some evac area. He is also involved at the Grissom Academy.

[MisterJB]

I wonder if it's already far too late to rewrite Miranda's role.

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

strive wrote...

I dunno. The only LI I saw mentioned less than Miranda was Garrus, but his two sentences seem to imply he is doing something pretty important to the plot. Well Kaidan too technically I guess.

Huh? Where was that? The only thing I saw related to Garrus was about his passive ability. 

Garrus Spoilers

Garrus is escorting the Primarch? I assume that is the Turian President to some evac area. He is also involved at the Grissom Academy.

Can you give me your spoiler source? The one I have doesn't say anything about that. Only Jack is invovled in Crimsson. 

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if it's already far too late to rewrite Miranda's role.

For all you know it's being rewritten as we speak:wizard:

[AccursedOdin]

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if it's already far too late to rewrite Miranda's role.

Right now? Totally too late. However, from the time the design doc was first drafted until now? Definitely.

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if it's already far too late to rewrite Miranda's role.

Hope not. Oriana needs to be in some backwater Asari colony at the bottom of the Reaperization list.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:53 .

[redBadger14]

Melrache wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Bio Addict wrote...

I've just read through about 3/4 of the spoilers and it really doesn't seem like any other squad mate is mentioned in name much more than Miranda. Slim chance she could still be a core squad mate, which is really all I was hoping for. Can't say that I can relate to all this "OMG, the people who created Miranda in the first place might be taking her in a direction that I don't approve of" style panic.

It's not about the writers taking Miranda in a direcion that I might not approve of. It's about the writers taking her nowhere.

SPOILERS

In ME3, Jack is a teacher for Biotic kids. That's growth.
Tali has become an admiral. Growth.
Miranda is trying to save her sister from their father. Again.

SPOILERS

That's what bothers me. It might be that I will be pleasently surprised even before the game is out but until then, I'll continue on being disgruntled and I'll continue on writing in hopes that some devs migth chance upon these posts.

You have to remember that Miranda, in ME2, arguably had more character growth than Tali or Jack.

No, Jack had arguably more character development.
Miri´s only growth was that "superiority/inferiority-complex"-crap. And her sister.

Then you were really blind.

This x 100

Miranda's character changed a hell of a lot depending on how you interacted with her through the game. Jack had a little growth, but not nearly as much as Miranda did.

[jtav]

Probably too late. It could be forgiven if that's her RM--we know Garrus has more than the mention--but the current implications are...euch. She's not important. Her father and TIM are.

[CrutchCricket]

AccursedOdin wrote...
Right now? Totally too late. However, from the time the design doc was first drafted until now? Definitely.

Well you never know. You gotta figure models are already well created and the process to create a new scene is pretty streamlined. Also voice actors get called back to re-record all the time. So changes may be occuring even now.

[redBadger14]

AccursedOdin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if it's already far too late to rewrite Miranda's role.

Right now? Totally too late. However, from the time the design doc was first drafted until now? Definitely.

Which is why I am not worried. But cautious.

[mineralica]

naledgeborn wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if it's already far too late to rewrite Miranda's role.

Hope not. Oriana needs to be in some backwater Asari colony at the bottom of the Reaperization list.

Hope it was already rewritten. I don't think BioWare will let anything that smells like spoiler escape the headquarters now, so we can only guess.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
I look at the other characters in ME3, I see growth. I look at Miranda, I see stagnation.

Just sayin that I agree with this. Miranda hasn't just been sidelined, her story potential has been utterly crushed to tiny bits and she appears to serve for nothing more than to elicit emotion from the player. She's not a player anymore, she's a victim of the plot, more than any other old team member we hear anything about.  And victim of the writers. What the hell, Bioware? It's as if they went out of their way to diminish her in everything.

The remaining optimists here say there may be more, but if what's revealed is bad, and nothing good that balances it is revealed alongside, how else should I take this than badly? I'm done with optimism until someone from Bioware comes out and tells us outright that this isn't all there is to Miranda's story arc.

Maybe the story my ME3 will now tell is one that asks to be told - the story of a Shepard who has lost all faith in anything that once had meaning for him. I'd rather play a more uplifting one, but I do not see it from where I am standing. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:03 .

[goofyomnivore]

Only if Oriana's safety is properly explained, otherwise it would've made Cerberus look completely dumb for not taking advantage of the opportunity.

I would assume she would have hidden Oriana the first chance she got if she resigned. If she didn't resign yes it would need some explaining. However I can see BioWare saying Oriana's parents are in TIM's pocket somehow, and they just sell out her location anyways type of angle.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...
but the current implications are...euch. She's not important. Her father and TIM are.

Not implications (i.e. assertions being suggested as necessary consequences) but rather inferences (speculations derived by reasoning from premises).

The difference? The first is a function of the evidence, the second of the mind.

In plain English: that's just your* opinion.

* "your" being used here to indicate a number of people of similar thought.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The remaining optimists here say me there may be more, but if what's revealed is bad, and nothing good that balances it is revealed alongside, how else should I take this than badly?

Considering this wasn't supposed to be "revealed" at all, the lack of good news isn't particularly bothersome.

If you saw a rough draft of a comic you liked drawn in stick figures would you all of a sudden hate the comic just because the artist didn't immediately reassure you it wasn't going to be stick figures by the end?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...
I look at the other characters in ME3, I see growth. I look at Miranda, I see stagnation.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just sayin that I agree with this. Miranda hasn't just been sidelined, her story potential has been utterly crushed to tiny bits and she appears to serve for nothing more than to elicit emotion from the player. She's not a player anymore, she's a victim of the plot, more than any other old team member we hear anything about.  And victim of the writers. What the hell, Bioware? It's as if they went out of their way to diminish her in everything.

The remaining optimists here say there may be more, but if what's revealed is bad, and nothing good that balances it is revealed alongside, how else should I take this than badly? I'm done with optimism until someone from Bioware comes out and tells us outright that this isn't all there is to Miranda's story arc.

Maybe the story my ME3 will now tell is one that asks to be told - the story of a Shepard who has lost all faith in anything that once had meaning for him. I'd rather play a more uplifting one, but I do not see it from where I am standing. 

That's sums up my thoughts pretty well. And I doubt after BioWare's fiasco of a weekend that they'll be giving the fandom too much information, if any, that isn't officially promoted.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:07 .

[flemm]

Putting Oriana in peril was certainly not the only available option. No explanation needed as to why she is not in peril, or a line of dialog at most.

That said, as a way of leading to Miranda confronting her father, it could still basically work. Plenty of growth to be had potentially from that meeting.

I would prefer that Miranda assault the base together with Shepard, rather than being imprisoned. As it stands, the whole thing sounds extremely similar to Jack's recruitment mission, so I guess they are going for irony there.

There would need to be more to her role, though, specifically at least meeting TIM.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:11 .