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[MisterJB]

Oh, believe me, Crutch. I am trying to have hope. Grasping at straws here but a drowning man will take any ship.
The first email Miranda sends makes no mention of Oriana but rather of the new relationship between TIM and Mr. Lawson. Hopefully, this means that Miranda was in the middle of her own contribution to the war effort when Oriana was kidnapped. It would be better if she could just be removed from the plot entirely, but I doubt it will happen.

This is about the most optimistic I can get. Everything else we read points towards Bioware having zero clues of what to do with Miranda and sticking her on some mission just to appease us.

flemm wrote...
Given how heavily the SB dossier plays into these leaks, I thinks it's extremely unlikely that we will escape without some reference to the whole infertility thing, if the romance is flagged.

Depending on how it's handled, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I have at least two Shepards I'd like to see as daddys.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 novembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Depending on how it's handled, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

True. Was more just a passing thought. Could be good or bad.

[Eyeshield21]

MisterJB wrote...

Oh, believe me, Crutch. I am trying to have hope. Grasping at straws here but a drowning man will take any ship.
The first email Miranda sends makes no mention of Oriana but rather of the new relationship between TIM and Mr. Lawson. Hopefully, this means that Miranda was in the middle of her own contribution to the war effort when Oriana was kidnapped. It would be better if she could just be removed from the plot entirely, but I doubt it will happen.

This is about the most optimistic I can get. Everything else we read points towards Bioware having zero clues of what to do with Miranda and sticking her on some mission just to appease us.

flemm wrote...
Given how heavily the SB dossier plays into these leaks, I thinks it's extremely unlikely that we will escape without some reference to the whole infertility thing, if the romance is flagged.

Depending on how it's handled, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

TBH, hope is all we have now.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
But believing in something requires some evidence that it is actually there.

Your own words Ieldra. If believing Miranda is the center of the galaxy requires proof, why should believing she's wasted be any different?

I never believed that (my main Shepard does, but that's a different thing). Actually, I never really believed she'd be a permanent team member, even though I posted more optimistic scenarios. What I believed is that Bioware would make her presence awesome, show Miranda as strong and capable instead of shoving whatever there might be of that off-screen, and make her presence more than a glorified cameo.

I guess that's still possible, but I no longer believe it. 

Now for everyone, whether you want to continue with your gloomy emotions or not is ultimately up to you.  But know that there are arguments that can give you hope if you let them.

Actually, you posted no arguments for hope. There is evidence that's bad plus the absence of evidence for anything that might balance the bad.

Of course there's always hope. If there weren't, I'd be already gone from this thread. But it's very, very slim.

[jtav]

I'm trying to concoct an AU-verse to retreat into. Suggestions for a divergence point?

[naledgeborn]

Post-Mass Effect Galaxy/Redemption. Shadow Broker sells Shepard to the Collectors. Miranda and Jacob build a team for the suicide mission.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:10 .

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

I'm trying to concoct an AU-verse to retreat into. Suggestions for a divergence point?

Oriana is killed by a batarian terrorist attack, a retaliation for the alpha relay?

[redBadger14]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AccursedOdin wrote...
You know what, person I've never met before? I think I like you.

Awesome! I was starting to think I wouldn't be making friends around here anymore. Put'er there pal:wizard:

Agreed. You sir are a voice of reason. Thank you.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I'm trying to concoct an AU-verse to retreat into. Suggestions for a divergence point?

End of ME2?

Anyway, I'm out of the thread for the evening, what can I say, it's looking pretty bad for Miranda in ME3. Let's hope the leak is misleading. Not really looking forward to waiting out the next four months just to get the bad news confirmed. Ugh.

Modifié par flemm, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[CrutchCricket]

strive: Of course they can choose what to believe. It just seems that they believe this to a certainty and aren't willing to accept a more positive possibility. If it merely seems that way, then we have no quarrel. Though having that overrepresented in the forums again runs the risk of the "positive" intepretation getting buried and any new people coming on here will only come in shadow. I guess if nothing else I'll continue posting "the lighter side" of the leak, not to convice but to remind.

Ieldra2 wrote...
I never believed that (my main Shepard does, but that's a different thing). Actually, I never really believed she'd be a permanent team member, even though I posted more optimistic scenarios. What I believed is that Bioware would make her presence awesome, show Miranda as strong and capable instead of shoving whatever there might be of that off-screen, and make her presence more than a glorified cameo.

I guess that's still possible, but I no longer believe it. 

Exaggeration on my part, a mere overblown supposition to substitute your actual views which I didn't have time to look up and reiterate. My argument however remains. If you truly mean you must have some evidence for a belief, that applies to both sides of the Miranda equation. Which leads me to my second point.

Actually, you posted no arguments for hope. There is evidence that's bad plus the absence of evidence for anything that might balance the bad.

Of course there's always hope. If there weren't, I'd be already gone from this thread. But it's very, very slim.

Of course I didn't. At that point I wasn't sure what good it'd do. Notice that you ignored what I said about the balance between evidence of good vs bad. But while on the topic of evidence, let me clarify that I don't consider the leak evidence of anything other than unfinished work. So if balance you must have: you have no proof of good, no proof of bad. Balanced at 0 (the accountant's favorite).

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[Eyeshield21]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'm trying to concoct an AU-verse to retreat into. Suggestions for a divergence point?

End of ME2?

Anyway, I'm out for thead for the evening, what can I say, it's looking pretty bad for Miranda in ME3. Let's hope the leak is misleading. Not really looking forward to waiting out the next four months just to get the bad news confirmed Ugh.

true dat. it would be ****ty if that happened tho.

[CrutchCricket]

redBadger14 wrote...
Agreed. You sir are a voice of reason. Thank you.

I'm the one usually on the cynical, jaded side (I have rational reasons for that too) but I'm genuinely trying to cheer people up. Many thanks to you for cheering me up!

And now I'm off as well to get some wings with friends... and probably talk more about this<_<. Good night!

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[wright1978]

Well i go to the pub and have a few beers and i come back and it seems the alcohol hasn't blunted my rage at Miranda's apparent cameo damsel role in the game. I was so happy this morning and even thinking about making the big step and pre-ordering the game. That's what happens when you get your hopes up i guess. That'll teach me.

[VStar]

There is absolutely no reason, based upon the leaked information that is out there, to suspect that Miranda's role in ME3 is limited to a one-mission cameo. There is no also no reason to suspect that it is not. Simply put, the spoilers barely mention Miranda at all; some of you are taking this to mean that her role in the game is kept to an absolute minimum. While this may ultimately turn out to be the truth, it may also turn out that she can join up with your squad and continue with you for the rest of the game once her "war-related" mission is completed. This appears to be the case with Tali; it might also be the situation with Miranda. There just really wasn't that much about her in the plot outline, and while that lack of evidence may seem to be telling, bear in mind that there was precious little mention of Garrus, either, who has been confirmed to be a "permanent" squadmate.

Miranda's role in ME3, and the extent of it, is still very much an enormous question mark.

[AstronautN7]

A non spoiler summary, the leaked data contains no data on LI scenes as they were only written/decided not so long ago.

Here is also a good post to gauge How old the leaked data is.

This gives me hope for good scenes and a potential happy end for my LI.

[jtav]

I'm going to fix these spoilers. I'm going to make them awesome. But I need your help. Can someone compile everything we know about Sanctuary?

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm not going to worry about what happens. There's not enough concrete data given in the spoilers to give me a definite idea of what to think. What we've seen in the gameplay videos gives me reason enough to hold out hope for the game.

Is there the potential for disappointment in ME3? Of course there is but the same can be said of any other game. We've heard that some of the spoilers are out of date, or at worst completely false. How many other times have we heard leaked information about a game before relase and proceeded to exclaim that the end of days was upon us? We went through it with ME2, we went through it with DA2, and we shall go through it again.

With that I wish all of you a good night.

[Vertigo_1]

VStar wrote...
Miranda's role in ME3, and the extent of it, is still very much an enormous question mark.

That's what I think too.
When I looked over the info there was no mention of Garrus.  In contrast, I also looked at Mordin's mission.  His mission is fleshed out more than Miranda; scenes are described in greater detail.  This is why I think Miranda's story was no where near done in that build.  There's no beginning middle and end, just a description of the mission and nothing else.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Le sigh. I'm starting to agree with MEFan that bioware is playing favorites with other fandoms and disregarding us entirely. Damn Bioware and their standard policy of double standards and favoritism.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Also, tali is now an admiral?

Goodbye Migrant Fleet, been nice knowing you...

[MACharlie1]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Le sigh. I'm starting to agree with MEFan that bioware is playing favorites with other fandoms and disregarding us entirely. Damn Bioware and their standard policy of double standards and favoritism.

....I hope you are not serious. 

[Volandrius]

Just finished re-reading the entirety of the leaked script, let me tell you guys this; It's clearly not even close to being finished. The script was random and honestly didn't flow very well, the only really detailed squadmate was Mordins mission, there wasn't even a mention of Garrus, Miranda was only stated once in a short description of her mission with another mention of her mission later on. I'd go on but most of the rest is too spoilerific.

So please don't worry guys, everything will be A-OK.

/OptimisticPost

Modifié par Volandrius, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[naledgeborn]

jreezy wrote...

I just started a new ME2 file and I never realized how much more awesome "Ice Queen" Miranda is compared to Post Freedom's Progress Miranda. She really should have kept that cold demeanor.

Miranda from the first hour of ME2 is legendary Ice Queen. Then when she gets to the Normandy... 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[jtav]

Reading over what seems to be the journal, Miranda's mission seems to be third to last. Discuss.