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[CrutchCricket]

Greetings folks,

I like that the mood's improved somewhat since last night though you still seem to be taking these leaks too literally and too final(ly?). But progress is progress.

Regarding current speculation, the one thing I'd agree with is that Miranda's involvement seems to occur in the latter part of the game. If she couldn't be there for the full game I prefer this actually (just personal presence, if time is limited). I don't think it can be said for sure that her presence would begin at the "Legion point" though. Funny thing about that, in earlier drafts of ME2, Legion was supposd to join us earlier and game files support this as he has specific lines in missions before the Reaper IFF. Intriguing no? Well, since open railing against the doomsayers hasn't proved totally effective I doubt subtlety would do the trick so in plain language: if you're comparing Miranda to Legion, keep in mind how easily starting missions can change places.

Also I'm a page late, but I've officially been on here for 100 pages. So... imaginary drinks on me!

[nitefyre410]

enayasoul wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
Just...why this of all things. I get a cameo. But why would anyone want her so diminished?

Well, I can think of some reasons. None of them good.

When we see the actual scenes, this might end up being clearer. But honestly, it may come down to what the SB files were basically suggesting, which is that the writers' view of Miranda is that she woke up from her committment to Cerberus and her career and decided she wanted to devote herself to family, having children, and a normal life, like Oriana.

Just when I thought I was on my way out of the pit of depression, I must read this. What a disaster that would be. Exactly what *nobody* here wanted, and they KNEW it. From the earliest day of the first fan thread, people liked Miranda for her competence, her ability to be someone on her own, walking through hell and back at Shepard's side. I maintain my statement that if this happens, it's a deliberate kick in the face of Miranda's fans.   

Which is why I'm still holding some hope that it won't happen. Maybe there will a decision at the point where we meet her father, and we can influence which kind of person she'll be in future and how she views herself and her enhancements.... *grasps at straws*

Unfortunately, the dossier does seem to have been teasing Miranda's involvement in ME3 very heavily, as it does for a few other characters. At this point a miracle pregnancy seems increasingly plausible tbh. "Unfinished business, especially if you romanced her in ME2, etc."

That would be the last straw, the final nail in the coffin of the superspy I'd come to love in ME2.

At this point, some word of reassurance from Bioware would be really welcome. They could say it's our own fault for having read the spoilers, but can they really expect us read things like "Miranda fans are screwed" or "Miranda dies offscreen" (for which, I hurry to say, there is not a shred of evidence) in some random semi-spoilery post and not go and check out the details? 

Speak for  yourself.  Not every Miranda fan wants what YOU want.  Well it kind of is your own fault for reading outdated material and believing it.   I'm not so upset over it.  Even on facebook, they are saying it's outdated information and not exactly what's in the final game. 

I want Miranda and Shepard to have babies together.  Miracle or not.   I can see Miranda finding a cure for herself.  She's smart enough to figure out what the bleep is wrong with her.  I've always imagined she'd find out what's wrong, with Mordin's help and succeed in becoming a mother.  That's my idea.  I think Miranda would make a great mom.  Overprotective, loving and want only the best for her child. 

 


You're right  Mira would most like make a great mom  but there is a lot of character development involved and  Bioware has a nasty habit of telling and not showing. Plus there is always adoption and other means. Still this a woman that brought a man back from the dead - WITH SCIENCE. So your must likely right.  What I don't want to see  is complete polarity shift over night nor to want to see her character its butchered just to be a mom because it does have to happen.  Exampless   Susan Storm - Richards and Sara Pazzini both moms still kicking ass and taking names. 

[MisterJB]

Our problem is not that Miranda cares about her sister or wants to start a family with Shepard.
The reason the leak is distressing some of us so much is because it seems to indicate that Miranda is putting her career aside because she has a family now.
It's like this:
Miranda was with Cerberus because working for the benefit of mankind helped find meaning in the way she was created. (Well, I'm sure that in ME3 she will overcome her problems with her genetic tailoring and have a career because that's what she wants)
In ME3, Miranda's family helps her find meaning to life and that's all she needs to be happy (OMG WHAT HAS BIOWARE DONE!?)

[Melra]

Who cares? Family is what makes life worth living in the end. Her career is over, Cerberus is an enemy and Alliance most likely wouldn't take her anyhow and her starting own organization would be just stupid at this point, especially if she's distracted by the threat on her sister. Quit crying about it already, geez.

[flemm]

Well, in theory, there's no reason for it to be one or the other, career or family. Technically, of course, it might not be, but the focus really shouldn't be on Oriana and romance-related material to the exclusion of other aspects of the character.

For one thing, to put it simply, she should do something cool in the game, combat-related. That should really be a given.

One thing that's definitely missing from the leak, or at least appears to be, is the whole question of where her allegiances lie now, what organisation she's working for, etc. Doesn't appear to be Cerberus anymore, but nothing about her being part of the Alliance or the Normandy's crew either. So, that's a big open question.

Modifié par flemm, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Prudii Aden]

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
Anyway, lots of Oriana in the dossier, and that's seemingly the main focus of her appearance in the game. So, I would say that the odds of the rest of it being relevant just went up by a lot.
 

No that much, really. Just one conversation that's only there if they talked previously. Makes me wonder if not encouraging her to talk to her sister makes a difference. But then, do I really want to negativelly affect the ME2 Miranda because of ME3?

Also, I'm guessing this confirmes her father being an Eldfell or an Ashland.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:20 .

[enayasoul]

What career does Miranda actually have at this point? If she's no longer a Cerberus Officer then she's in limbo. Of course the Alliance won't have her. Nor do I want them to. She's better than them. Starting up her own organization will take time and money. I can see her helping Liara but you all hate that idea. I don't necessarily.

In times of war what do you value most in life? If you were going to die what would your priorities be?

[jtav]

What MisterJB said. He and I differ on whether a particular method of becoming pregnant is desirable, not whether she can have children if the player so desires. I don't desire but player choice is fine.

I'm going to do something I never do: post something from a fic I've already posted. She's in a relationship with Liar and therefore father, but it maps easily enough to a human child. Read it and tell me again I have a problem with Miranda as parent.

It was almost nightfall when she arrived home. It wasn't especially large or elaborate by Bekenstein standards—which was to say that it required only a staff of four rather than a few dozen to maintain. All around her were the mementos of the life she and Liara had carved for themselves after the Reaper War: the remnants of Liara's artifact collection in glass cases, a piano Miranda had bought over twenty years ago when Shepard insisted that she needed a hobby, a minor Matisse she'd gotten Liara as a surprise. There are also more recent, less refined additions. A copy of Parenting the Asari Child: What Humans Need to Know left open on the couch, a half-completed application to Bekenstein's most exclusive preschool, a plush pyjak lying discarded on the floor. Miranda picked up the last, torn between affection and exasperation. She was going to have to have a talk with Erina's nanny about putting the toys away.

"Dada?" said a sleepy voice from the doorway.

Miranda hesitated for a fraction of instant before looking over. Of all the adjustments she had to make in becoming a parent, the sheer strangeness of being father instead of mother was the one that had taken the most getting used to. Erina regarded her through half-closed eyes the exact color of Miranda's own. Liara stood behind her, watching with open indulgence. "She wanted some juice," she said with a shrug. "And to see, you, I think."

Something melted inside Miranda. She didn't remember this period of her own childhood, but she had dreaded contact with Bernard Lawson for as long as she could remember. She'd vowed to do better with her own daughter. It was good to know she was succeeding on at least one front. "Come here."

Erina toddled forward, and Miranda dropped to her knees to take her in her arms. She was a study in contradictions, all plump cheeks and bony elbows. "I'm happy to see you too, but it's past your bedtime. Be a good little girl and go to bed."

"Story?" Erina looked up at her with deceptively innocent eyes. Honestly, when the girl was old enough, she would probably make a career out of selling hygiene products to vorcha.

"No, I will not read you a story." Miranda softened. "I'll read you your favorite tomorrow though. And I'll even do the voices. But you have to get your juice and go to bed."

Liara took her daughter by the hand, and smiled at Miranda. "The terror of Milgrom, reading bedtime stories to her daughter? You make me wish I was still the Shadow Broker. Someone would pay a fortune to be able to blackmail you with this."

But she's also a CEO in that story and it's a pretty even split between work and family. That's all I ever wanted. Balance. Nit another morality tale about a woman discovering *all* she really wants is family.

[CrutchCricket]

ViSeirA wrote...
[1] Did you even read the entire leak? it helps you establish a general direction for the storyline in ME3, it might be just a draft but the fact that it stretches from the start till the end of the game means you can use it to judge the involvement of characters and their relevance to the plot.

[2] Prove? what is there to prove? what we got was not "evidence", it was a full blown video showing the murder, the murderer and the murder weapon, you really should stop acting like some self-righteous know-it-all when you're in fact deluded by your senses of false hope.

Huh. Didn't think you would actually reply. Unfortunately you haven't done what I've asked so this will likely just be a waste of space. Still...

[1] No I did not read the entire leak. Unlike some on these boards I still plan to enjoy the game when it comes out. But that's irrelevant. Let's look at what you're saying. A rough draft from start to finish helps you evaluate character involvement? Really? Spectacular! Although not for poor Garrus apparently since he's never even mentioned. Seems he's just decided to pop out of existance for the duration of this game right? "Screw this Reaper crap, I'm peacin"? No? He does have a part? Well then I guess there goes your hypothesis. Tough luck.

Just for fun though, here's a rough outline for you: Farmboy hates his life wants adventure. Buys droids and meets old man. Droids contain distress signal from beautiful woman. Old man, farmboy and droids hire starship captain to rescue woman. Old man dies during rescue when faced with old apprentice turned evil. Woman is princess and rebel leader, wants their help in blowing up opressive government space station. Farmboy signs on while starship captain takes money and runs. Epic space battle. Farmboy about to shoot down space station, evil apprentice about to shoot down farmboy. Starship captain to the rescue. Station exploded, credits cake, win.

Obi-wan totally gets shafted out of an imporant role right? It's a rough draft from start to finish, clearly we can infer everything we need from it and our beloved Jedi mentor is basically just a chump doing an escort mission right? RUINED FOREVER.
Hint: That was a joke.

[2] I'm sorry, I'd be inclined to reply to this if it could in any way be interpreted as "an argument". Hell even if the argument was "cheese is good with ice cream" I'd respect that. Instead you've got exaggeration, emotional outburst and a personal attack. I'm sorry to say but the only sane reply is : u mad bro?

Let's not turn this into a flame war shall we? If you wish to make real arguments perhaps you can do so by PM. I believe this thread has moved on.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
I want Miranda and Shepard to have babies together.  Miracle or not.   I can see Miranda finding a cure for herself.  She's smart enough to figure out what the bleep is wrong with her.  I've always imagined she'd find out what's wrong, with Mordin's help and succeed in becoming a mother.  That's my idea.  I think Miranda would make a great mom.  Overprotective, loving and want only the best for her child.

You misunderstood. I am not against Miranda having children (in the epilogue), but that that "miracle pregnancy" will not be brought about by Miranda finding a means of curing herself, but by.....well....an unexplained miracle, Shepard's super sperm or suchlike.

I've always wanted Miranda fertile, and I have repeatedly said so. Don't you recall my rants about how much I hate her infertility? What I want is a scenario where she continues to work towards the advancement of humanity, with children or not.

[enayasoul]

Interesting read. Thanks Jtav. Would love for Miranda to have all that she ever wanted in life. :-)

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
I want Miranda and Shepard to have babies together.  Miracle or not.   I can see Miranda finding a cure for herself.  She's smart enough to figure out what the bleep is wrong with her.  I've always imagined she'd find out what's wrong, with Mordin's help and succeed in becoming a mother.  That's my idea.  I think Miranda would make a great mom.  Overprotective, loving and want only the best for her child.

You misunderstood. I am not against Miranda having children (in the epilogue), but that that "miracle pregnancy" will not be brought about by Miranda finding a means of curing herself, but by.....well....an unexplained miracle, Shepard's super sperm or suchlike.

I've always wanted Miranda fertile, and I have repeatedly said so. Don't you recall my rants about how much I hate her infertility? What I want is a scenario where she continues to work towards the advancement of humanity, with children or not.

Yes, I remember.   Well, Miranda did rebuild shepard.  She could help in that way, no?   All jokes aside.   Yes, I understand what your saying  Yes, I would love for Miranda to continue to work towards the advancement of humanity and have a family life, children or not.   

[naledgeborn]

Damn, I want to talk about the "leaked" endgame choices and how they pertain to Miranda but I don't want to screw people over with spoilers.

[nitefyre410]

MisterJB wrote...

Our problem is not that Miranda cares about her sister or wants to start a family with Shepard.
The reason the leak is distressing some of us so much is because it seems to indicate that Miranda is putting her career aside because she has a family now.
It's like this:
Miranda was with Cerberus because working for the benefit of mankind helped find meaning in the way she was created. (Well, I'm sure that in ME3 she will overcome her problems with her genetic tailoring and have a career because that's what she wants)
In ME3, Miranda's family helps her find meaning to life and that's all she needs to be happy (OMG WHAT HAS BIOWARE DONE!?)

 

  
Now while it "benefited" mankind  (I still have a lot of question about TIM handling of Cerberus and how much a benefit it was in the end)  Was  her relationship with TIM any different  from her father -  Even more  devious - Her father  being a major buisness man and having a heavy influence in Cerberus. So even when she thought she got away she was still her fathers puppet. The escape, her taking Oriana, the running all the part to forge her in his air. 
 

So in all of that what is the ulimate defiences het father created her  sterile  if she overcomes that  - this would be greatest slap in the face, kick in the nuts,pissing in his water you name  it that she could ever  pull on her father. Hell it would be better in my eyes that killing him and taking his buisness empire.  

I would love to see  scene where she walk and with a  little bundle and to see the look on that mans face...

It would be better than  killing him - All his  schemes, plans for her torn down because went  out  over came her own prediesigned fate and did something that he  created her not to do.  

Just a different perceptive for ya -   truth be told I honestly doubt  Bioware could pull that off  

 

[CrutchCricket]

enayasoul wrote...

What career does Miranda actually have at this point? If she's no longer a Cerberus Officer then she's in limbo. Of course the Alliance won't have her. Nor do I want them to. She's better than them. Starting up her own organization will take time and money. I can see her helping Liara but you all hate that idea. I don't necessarily.

In times of war what do you value most in life? If you were going to die what would your priorities be?

I agree with this. Either taking over Cerberus or starting her own venture always seemed like an end goal to me, something she does post-ME3. It didn't seem feasible that she'd even think about that during the war. In that respect even the worst-case scenario isn't enough to necessarily derail that. During the war Miranda had only one goal, protecting Oriana. Assuming she succeeds and doesn't die, the power vacuum created by the Reapers' destruction is the perfect opportunity for her to start something. This would be acceptable right?

Also why is the idea of working with Liara hated?

[Ohei]

I'd like to ask something to all of you fans:

What are you TRULY concerned about? The way it appears they tried to represent Miranda's character as someone she was not in ME2 because it is a rescue mission? I have not read the leak, and I will not read it at all, but I have been spoiled, unfortunately.

If that is your concern, let us remember we truly do not know how the scene will be executed -- or scenes, in this case. Miranda could still be a complete Ice-Queen badass even when trapped in a cell, cursing at guards and punching the cell walls. There's no need for her to be acting completely helpless like a damsel in distress. People get captured, sometimes. The most hardass ones do, too, and they don't whine and cry until somebody gets them out. They try to get out themselves, or receive some sort of aid (Shepard), but they keep their heads straight and focused. So if this is about Miranda's character development, BioWare altering it for something she is obviously not would be TERRIBLE writing, and they'd probably realize that themselves, so don't you worry. Granted, they might even change how the mission plays out. It's not polished or detailed. It's not complete.

Now, there's another thing about Miranda's ''screentime''. Personally, I think it'd be a little unfair, considering the size of her fanbase, to give this character a cameo which begins with e-mails and finalizes in ''LOL BAI SHEP GUD LUCK WIF REAPURZ!''.

Let's remember how important of a role she had in ME2. It really is like pulling a Horizon on the third and final arc of Shepard's story. While I understand having so many characters can really affect how much they can pour into each of them and that in some cases it is complicated to do them justice, it's Miranda Lawson. Her fanbase is huge, her knowledge on the Illusive Man and Cerberus is key to the plotline, she even was the LI featured in the launch trailer for ME2. We're not talking Sha'ira here, if you know what I mean. So what I'd like to see is at least some more involvement between Shepard and her, especially if romanced.

Can she join Shepard after her mission? At least board the Normandy? Or will she fly off somewhere else and go on with her life? If so, can we visit her, have a talk a la Lair of the Shadow Broker? Something to at least fool us into believing that the devs tried to give her romance arc a closure that exceeds a little reunion after a rescue mission?

My point is: It'll be slightly disappointing if all we get is a single mission involving a reunion, then never see Miranda again until the epilogue of the game.
Just my two cents, and really asking what is the concern that most fans have when it comes to this, because those who've read the leaked files seem to be completely disappointed. I'm a Miranda fan and I think she's a superb character, I'd like BW to do justice to her character in the final arc and not completely dismiss her original personality and what she represents to the plot.

But NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECAUSE THE LEAKED FILES ARE OUTLINES OF A VERY OLD, ROUGH DOCUMENT.

So I'm honestly not worried. There's more to Miranda, I know it. Hell, Garrus was not even in those files.

TL;DR:
IT'S ALL GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. But moar Miranda plz.

Modifié par Ohei, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:39 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ohei wrote...

I'd like to ask something to all of you fans:

What are you TRULY concerned about? The way it appears they tried to represent Miranda's character as someone she was not in ME2 because it is a rescue mission? I have not read the leak, and I will not read it at all, but I have been spoiled, unfortunately.

If that is your concern, let us remember we truly do not know how the scene will be executed -- or scenes, in this case. Miranda could still be a complete Ice-Queen badass even when trapped in a cell, cursing at guards and punching the cell walls. There's no need for her to be acting completely helpless like a damsel in distress. People get captured, sometimes. The most hardass ones do, too, and they don't whine and cry until somebody gets them out. They try to get out themselves, or receive some sort of aid (Shepard), but they keep their heads straight and focused. So if this is about Miranda's character development, BioWare altering it for something she is obviously not would be TERRIBLE writing, and they'd probably realize that themselves, so don't you worry. Granted, they might even change how the mission plays out. It's not polished or detailed. It's not complete.

Now, there's another thing about Miranda's ''screentime''. Personally, I think it'd be a little unfair, considering the size of her fanbase, to give this character a cameo which begins with e-mails and finalizes in ''LOL BAI SHEP GUD LUCK WIF REAPURZ!''.

Let's remember how important of a role she had in ME2. It really is like pulling a Horizon on the third and final arc of Shepard's story. While I understand having so many characters can really affect how much they can pour into each of them and that in some cases it is complicated to do them justice, it's Miranda Lawson. Her fanbase is huge, her knowledge on the Illusive Man and Cerberus is key to the plotline, she even was the LI featured in the launch trailer for ME2. We're not talking Sha'ira here, if you know what I mean. So what I'd like to see is at least some more involvement between Shepard and her, especially if romanced.

Can she join Shepard after her mission? At least board the Normandy? Or will she fly off somewhere else and go on with her life? If so, can we visit her, have a talk a la Lair of the Shadow Broker? Something to at least fool us into believing that the devs tried to give her romance arc a closure that exceeds a little reunion after a rescue mission?

My point is: It'll be slightly disappointing if all we get is a single mission involving a reunion, then never see Miranda again until the epilogue of the game.
Just my two cents, and really asking what is the concern that most fans have when it comes to this, because those who've read the leaked files seem to be completely disappointed. I'm a Miranda fan and I think she's a superb character, I'd like BW to do justice to her character in the final arc and not completely dismiss her original personality and what she represents to the plot.

But NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECAUSE THE LEAKED FILES ARE OUTLINES OF A VERY OLD, ROUGH DOCUMENT.

So I'm honestly not worried. There's more to Miranda, I know it. Hell, Garrus was not even in those files.

TL;DR:
IT'S ALL GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. But moar Miranda plz.

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite post on page 797

[jtav]

As concisely as I can, my concern is that the brief snippet implies she will be seen in one role only: that of damsel in distress, with no agency of her own. There could be more but we simply aren't seeing it. Add in LOTSB and it becomes increasingly plausible ME3 Miranda may be a trainwreck who only wants family.

As for the spoilers being outdated, they said the same about DAO and DA2 and the game played out identically.

[enayasoul]

You have several good points Ohei.

[Ohei]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ohei wrote...

I'd like to ask something to all of you fans:

What are you TRULY concerned about? The way it appears they tried to represent Miranda's character as someone she was not in ME2 because it is a rescue mission? I have not read the leak, and I will not read it at all, but I have been spoiled, unfortunately.

If that is your concern, let us remember we truly do not know how the scene will be executed -- or scenes, in this case. Miranda could still be a complete Ice-Queen badass even when trapped in a cell, cursing at guards and punching the cell walls. There's no need for her to be acting completely helpless like a damsel in distress. People get captured, sometimes. The most hardass ones do, too, and they don't whine and cry until somebody gets them out. They try to get out themselves, or receive some sort of aid (Shepard), but they keep their heads straight and focused. So if this is about Miranda's character development, BioWare altering it for something she is obviously not would be TERRIBLE writing, and they'd probably realize that themselves, so don't you worry. Granted, they might even change how the mission plays out. It's not polished or detailed. It's not complete.

Now, there's another thing about Miranda's ''screentime''. Personally, I think it'd be a little unfair, considering the size of her fanbase, to give this character a cameo which begins with e-mails and finalizes in ''LOL BAI SHEP GUD LUCK WIF REAPURZ!''.

Let's remember how important of a role she had in ME2. It really is like pulling a Horizon on the third and final arc of Shepard's story. While I understand having so many characters can really affect how much they can pour into each of them and that in some cases it is complicated to do them justice, it's Miranda Lawson. Her fanbase is huge, her knowledge on the Illusive Man and Cerberus is key to the plotline, she even was the LI featured in the launch trailer for ME2. We're not talking Sha'ira here, if you know what I mean. So what I'd like to see is at least some more involvement between Shepard and her, especially if romanced.

Can she join Shepard after her mission? At least board the Normandy? Or will she fly off somewhere else and go on with her life? If so, can we visit her, have a talk a la Lair of the Shadow Broker? Something to at least fool us into believing that the devs tried to give her romance arc a closure that exceeds a little reunion after a rescue mission?

My point is: It'll be slightly disappointing if all we get is a single mission involving a reunion, then never see Miranda again until the epilogue of the game.
Just my two cents, and really asking what is the concern that most fans have when it comes to this, because those who've read the leaked files seem to be completely disappointed. I'm a Miranda fan and I think she's a superb character, I'd like BW to do justice to her character in the final arc and not completely dismiss her original personality and what she represents to the plot.

But NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECAUSE THE LEAKED FILES ARE OUTLINES OF A VERY OLD, ROUGH DOCUMENT.

So I'm honestly not worried. There's more to Miranda, I know it. Hell, Garrus was not even in those files.

TL;DR:
IT'S ALL GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. But moar Miranda plz.

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite post on page 797

Teehee, fankz.

[Ieldra]

Ohei wrote...
What are you TRULY concerned about? The way it appears they tried to represent Miranda's character as someone she was not in ME2 because it is a rescue mission? I have not read the leak, and I will not read it at all, but I have been spoiled, unfortunately.

The problem is that from the information given, it appears that we'll reunite with her late in that mission, almost at the end, so that IF she is only present in that mission, there will be a rescue and not much more. Add that that mission appears to neatly tie up all her loose ends and that nothing is mentioned of her after that, this one-mission presence appears likely, so that we'll have a rescue, a confrontation with her father, and that was it. No opportunity for Miranda to show her badass operative aspect. At least that's the fear, the reason for all the gloomy posts.

Now, there's another thing about Miranda's ''screentime''. Personally, I think it'd be a little unfair, considering the size of her fanbase, to give this character a cameo which begins with e-mails and finalizes in ''LOL BAI SHEP GUD LUCK WIF REAPURZ!''.

Let's remember how important of a role she had in ME2. It really is like pulling a Horizon on the third and final arc of Shepard's story. While I understand having so many characters can really affect how much they can pour into each of them and that in some cases it is complicated to do them justice, it's Miranda Lawson. Her fanbase is huge, her knowledge on the Illusive Man and Cerberus is key to the plotline, she even was the LI featured in the launch trailer for ME2. We're not talking Sha'ira here, if you know what I mean. So what I'd like to see is at least some more involvement between Shepard and her, especially if romanced.

That's what we were telling outselves before the leak. The reasoning is still valid. But it has lost impact with the leak. We meet her again rather late in the game, and it appears to be where things start to accelerate towards the end. Basically it's Miranda's father, confrontation with TIM, endgame.

So I'm honestly not worried. There's more to Miranda, I know it. Hell, Garrus was not even in those files.

He was mentioned. There are several versions of the files floating around the net, most don't have everything.

And yes, IF Miranda joins with us, and IF she's retained her competent operative aspect and her idealism towards advancing humanity, then her story arc can still be good.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:57 .

[Ohei]

jtav wrote...

As concisely as I can, my concern is that the brief snippet implies she will be seen in one role only: that of damsel in distress, with no agency of her own. There could be more but we simply aren't seeing it. Add in LOTSB and it becomes increasingly plausible ME3 Miranda may be a trainwreck who only wants family.

As for the spoilers being outdated, they said the same about DAO and DA2 and the game played out identically.

Maybe that's what the snippets imply, but we do not know what comes after that. If we only see one role only, there is a high chance that her personality will remain intact, her character won't be altered. They just happened to put her in an unfortunate situation. It's a war story, after all. If we succeed with her mission, her role might turn into a great ally against the Reapers and will probably add to the galactic readiness. How? We don't know yet, March 6th will determine that.

And ME2 story files were extracted at some point as well. Several missions were vastly different to the missions in the final product. Many characters were meant to be picked up at the beginning of the game and in the final version, they turned out to be recruited close to the end. Characters that were originally meant to be there from the very beginning were left for DLC. This could easily be inversed. Also, notice the lack of detail in Miranda's mission and the huge amounts of details in the Mordin mission which, SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER implies that he dies there, if I am not mistaken? That's what I heard. But, as we saw in the demo, Mordin seems to make it out of there just fine. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER so not everything is written in stone. This, again, points at how unfinished Miranda's mission is.

There's a chance that when she confronts her father and TIM, her role is one of a complete hardass that us fans will love to no end.

All in all, March 6th, folks. March 6th will determine everything. No point in wetting our panties just yet, we only become sadpandas over something that might not turn out the way we feared.



@ Ieldra2: Most of my post can account to what you've said, particularly the order of the recruitment/mission. Now that you mention it, if her mission ties in with the end of the game and it makes sense, it makes sense, which is the important bit. Maybe we'll get to see Miranda way before that, who knows really.

I don't think BW has the guts to mess up her character as a whole. Fans will go to the studios with pitchforks and torches.

Like I said, March 6th!

Modifié par Ohei, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:59 .

[shepskisaac]

flemm wrote...

Second half of the game in any event. When you combine that with the fact that the mission apparently opens up the final arc of the game, somewhere around Reaper IFF territory seems about right, give or take.

Cat 3 opens up the final arc of the game and is the equivalent of Reaper IFF IMO. It's the point of no return. Cat 2 has to happen quite some time before that, like Horizon had to happen before Reaper IFF. There's also the issue of DLC. The 3 main DLCs for ME2 were all made available for the second half of the game, after Horizon. They can't have DLCs for ME3 unlock too far in the game. And Cat 2 is an important mission squad-structure wise because Prothy leaves the squad and VS returns. If they have Cat 2 happen very late in the game, they would have to have the DLCs unlock before Cat 2 which means they would run into issue of Prothy being present in the DLCs which may cause many problems, the first being the fact it would be yet another squaddie they would have to record VOs for the DLC.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:04 .

[Ieldra]

You have a point about the lack of details, Ohei. The question is, will she be with us long enough to showcase the several aspects of her personality? And will she retain her idealism towards advancing humanity (not in the fashion of Cerberus any more, of course)? If we get that and Miranda finds a (scientific, medical) way to cure her infertility, then it will be all good.

@IsaacShep:
How do you know the meaning of the labels?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:05 .