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[spirosz]

alphaisomega wrote...

look at this mirimancers!

*snipped*

Oh, woah.  Just look at that window. 

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think they have a very conservative streak combined with idealism. Miranda's work was "bad" so she needs to be "redeemed" by our hero and  therefore give up her work. So I think the allure of the villain turning for you is there.

Conservative, hmm.. I'd rather say conventional. Most noticeable if you contrast the ME universe with the DA universe. It's too bad that DA2 is so unappealing as a game, for as a game's fantasy world, the DA universe is unpredecented in its variety where so many widely differring cultures have some interesting point to make that's at least worth considering even if it doesn't conform to the conventional. And the characters appear - what can I say - more free.

As for Miranda's need for "redemption", I don't think there is evidence for that. Not yet. Hopefully never. Unless you take her resignation when you destroy the base for it. But as long as that element isn't forced on us if we kept the base, later in ME3, I'll be able to live with it.

Another element is that they might be enamored of the Campbellian hero archetype, whose journey is always also a moral challenge the solution of which is almost always an affirmation of conventional morality. That might also explain the Paragon favoritism.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for Miranda's need for "redemption", I don't think there is evidence for that. Not yet.

So much of that would depend on presentation. The location where the mission takes place, for example, has to be significant. And there's also a pretty obvious similarity with Jack's recruitment mission. So, the whole question of "Is Cerberus all bad?" seems to be tied into it, but it could really swing a number of different ways.


On a completely different topic, I admit to a certain amount of intellectual curiosity about how Bioware will market the game from here to release. With the help of Microsoft, they seem to have backed themselves into a bit of a corner. MP reviews were mediocre, the demo that was scheduled for January has been leaked, entire plot has been leaked, and there don't seem to really be many new squad members to annonce either.

So, it's a bit of challenge from that point of view.

Modifié par flemm, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

On a completely different topic, I admit to a certain amount of intellectual curiosity about how Bioware will market the game from here to release. With the help of Microsoft, they seem to have backed themselves into a bit of a corner. MP reviews were mediocre, the demo that was scheduled for January has been leaked, entire plot has been leaked, and there don't seem to really be many new squad members to annonce either.

So, it's a bit of challenge from that point of view.

Probably they'll re-release the demo in January but with Fem shep instead on man shep.

Assume Vega's voice actor announcement will have been shoved back so that they can have that big announcement later.

Obviously i hope they spill some info on Miranda too.

[spirosz]

flemm wrote...

On a completely different topic, I admit to a certain amount of intellectual curiosity about how Bioware will market the game from here to release. With the help of Microsoft, they seem to have backed themselves into a bit of a corner. MP reviews were mediocre, the demo that was scheduled for January has been leaked, entire plot has been leaked, and there don't seem to really be many new squad members to annonce either.

So, it's a bit of challenge from that point of view.

I believe they had a timeline for when they were going to release certain info/show certain videos. From my perspective, I believe they'll continue to do show whatever they were planning. They still have a few months to show quite of a few things. Also, consider that only a minority looked at the spoilers and there's a lot of fans outside of these forums, so I don't think they'll be in too much trouble. They might be a bit more cautious with a certain things that we don't know of, but otherwise I believe they'll continue with whatever they planned.

[GMagnum]

miranda my woman n e 1 try t o take her dey gon get dey lip busted wide da fk open jus warnin u now tbh

[naledgeborn]

dats sum real shyt right der son. +1

[Ieldra]

Miranda and Shepard against the Collectors, the Reapers, ME3's Cerberus.....and if necessary, the rest of the galaxy. That's what I want to see in ME3.....

[jtav]

Feeling more up to posting screenshots Ieldra?

Oh, and any interest in a fanfic snippet in a bit? Fair warning that I'm assuming the leak is the last word in ME3. it's also a Portrait continuation.

[flemm]

Nice pic. Yeah, I admit I'd like to blow some Reapers up with Miranda on-squad...
 
Perhaps not the most sophisticated request, but it's heartfelt

I'd almost be leaning toward the possibility that this initial appearance works like a recruitment mission, but what bugs me is that it seems so closely tied to the "point of no return" for the endgame. I can't see there being much space at all between this mission and the game's finale unless that part of it has been reworked.

Modifié par flemm, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[ViSeiRa]

jtav wrote...

Feeling more up to posting screenshots Ieldra?

Oh, and any interest in a fanfic snippet in a bit? Fair warning that I'm assuming the leak is the last word in ME3. it's also a Portrait continuation.

Oh... post it, I want some good fiction to take my mind off everything right now <_<

[UserForFun]

Busy, busy, busy lately, but I only now managed to absorb some of the news.

I haven't read the spoilers, apart from a scene or two regarding Miranda; But, it doesn't make sense -- Why would Bioware go to all that trouble to give Miranda a partial plot-armor in Mass Effect 2, if her role would be insignificant in the next game?

Obviously, Cerberus would be a big antagonist in the Mass Effect 3, what character is more suitable to be further exposed, and related with than Miranda..? I'm confused, and annoyed.

[flemm]

UserForFun wrote...
I haven't read the spoilers, apart from a scene or two regarding Miranda; But, it doesn't make sense -- Why would Bioware go to all that trouble to give Miranda a partial plot-armor in Mass Effect 2, if her role would be insignificant in the next game?

Well, personally, I don't think the plot armor thing has ever really been significant. She is a bit harder to kill than the other characters, but that's mostly because she has lines during the SM, i.e. it has more to do with her role in ME2 than in ME3.

UserForFun wrote...
Obviously, Cerberus would be a big antagonist in the Mass Effect 3, what character is more suitable to be further exposed, and related with than Miranda..?

None. Which is certainly one reason why everyone here will be annoyed right along with you if the leak turns out to be the extent of Miranda's involvement.

Modifié par flemm, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Feeling more up to posting screenshots Ieldra?

Yep. Gloomy mindset changed into defiant mindset. I am determined to showcase Miranda's competence and badassery and her potential to be Shepard's equal as much as possible. If ME3 refuses to follow suit it's the game's fault.

Ah yes, and pointing this at the writers:

Oh, and any interest in a fanfic snippet in a bit? Fair warning that I'm assuming the leak is the last word in ME3. it's also a Portrait continuation.

Post it. Just leaving though. Comments will have to wait.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ MINE! *Downloads pic to his Miri Collection*

I have 100's of Miri Pics:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[alperez]

I took a semi sabbatical after reading the spoilers, partly to calm myself down a tad and partly to try and understand what it meant regarding each character and how they're likely to be portrayed, so bear with me while i rant a little.

The two biggest problems i have regarding the characterisation are

1. just like dragon age characters are railroaded into a certain role in order to further the narrative they want us to follow.

Irrespective of the character themselves, how the character may have acted or been perceived previously, almost every character is in some way ooc in order for the narrative to work.

2. The character arcs themselves are as simplified and ridicolous as you would have imagined on your worst day.

Basically most of the returns are simply tacked on as almost an afterthought, the only purpose they serve are either a little nod to the fact that these characters even existed and to force people into situations that in reality make no sense to either Shepard as the protagonist or the character themselves.

To me this is the laziest writing i've ever had the misfortune to read, it proves beyond doubt that not only did bioware never fully flesh out the characters but they didn't even understand the characters they created in their own universe.

The thing is that we really should have seen it coming, it happened in dragon age and also in mass effect 2. Look at how Anders was portrayed or how Liara had her character assassinated in order to put her in the position of SB, look at how Horizon was handled and you can clearly see the seeds were sown a long time ago.

As of now the only real hope i find is if the release of these leaks forces radical shifts in the way characters and situations will be handled because even if they're telling the truth and this was an early build and the story and events have somewhate changed, it still doesn't fix the main problem.

The mere fact that they even considered going this route with characters and events shows they never actually planned out anything in advance, which again is completely lazy irresponsible writing of the highest order.

[jtav]

Today was one of Oriana’s good days. Her eyes followed Miranda warily as she sank into the nearest chair and the bowl of food was half-empty. Correction: today was fantastic. Most of the time Oriana barely touched her food. A sudden flare of hope stuck Miranda. “Oriana. It’s me. Miranda.”

But Oriana’s expression never faltered, and she never said a word. Disappointment, stupid and inevitable, succeeded hope. There would be no miracles, today or any other. There was a time Miranda had believed the Reapers too grand and impersonal to hate. That was before Cerberus had given Oriana to the creature they called Pariah. If Miranda closed her eyes, she could still hear the whispers, feel the cold of the bars, taste the bile in her throat as she screamed for the creature to leave. Miranda didn’t close her eyes often these days.

What she did do was talk. Miranda spoke of the torturously slow rebuilding effort. Earth had been lost but the hundreds of millions of humans beyond the Sol system had survived and would ensure the species would eventually recover. Matt was staying with her and was making the first halting steps in an art career he put on hold to enlist. Miranda filled her days as nominal chairman/figurehead of Eldfell-Ashland. No one knew if hearing the sound of human voices helped the quasi-indoctrinated seemingly unable to do anything more complicated than eat in sleep. Miranda had decided it couldn't possibly hurt, just like bringing Oriana back to her childhood home couldn't hurt, and she would give her little sister her best, just like always.

Not that my best was good enough.

Matt knocked softly. “Come in,” Miranda said.

Even Matt hadn’t come out of this war unscathed. His auburn hair was prematurely streaked with gray, and his cybernetics were once again visible. He didn't seem to mind the scars. Neither did she, truthfully. She was the reason he was such a skilled biotic. The raw talent was Nature’s doing, but she was the one who had honed that talent into something useful. She was the one who had turned mythology into reality and brought a corpse to life. Even if that corpse had saved the galaxy while she was too weak and stupid to do anything other than get herself captured and wait for the corpse to rescue her. She had been magnificent. Once.

“How is she?” There was a tension in his voice Miranda knew well. He wasn't thinking about Oriana. Matt was hiding something.

“Same as always. What's wrong?"

He flushed. Combined with the scars it made him look faintly ridiculous, like an out of breath monster from a horror vid. "Nothing."

She glared at him, and he actually took half a step backwards. Miranda fought a smile. She hadn’t lost her touch completely it seemed. He took a deep breath. “Liara found another copy of your Lazarus notes.”

“What? But the only copies of the research were kept on the station. We did everything in the utmost secrecy. Even my progress reports to the Illusive Man were vague in case they were intercepted.”

He withdrew an OSD from his pocket and handed it to her. "Apparently he went behind your back. Color me surprised. Liara tried to explain what they were planning on doing with it to me. I don't speak biologist, but something about trying to preserve the scientists working on the Prothean project, protecting them from indoctrination. She wants you to take a look. I think she thinks it might be possible to do another Lazarus and for a lot cheaper."

[flemm]

Thanks for posting, jtav, will comment later, just on the way to a meeting.

Modifié par flemm, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:01 .

[Little Red Corvette]

Delurking to remind everyone about what the Devs said about Miranda and that she will be back an perhaps with a fairly large role if you romance her.
All this concerning the leaks and such

[MisterJB]

Self-hatred much?

[jtav]

If that was directed at me, MisterJB, remember what I said. What was in the leak is the sum total of her "contributions" to the war effort. I think Miranda would be self hating in that circumstance. She gets better.

[Weltea]

*averting eyes from all possible Miranda-spoilers*
HI I thought I'd ask my questions here instead of making a new thread
Ever since I read that dead romances will be mentioned in ME3 I wanted to do a playthrough were a romanced Miranda (and only her) dies. Is that even possible? Anyone have any advice how to go about that?
In the story leaks: Has there been any indication if a dead Miranda (or any other Li) will have any actual impact on the game? Beyond giving Shepard issues and a off-hand comment I mean. Just yes or no answers please

[jtav]

It's impossible. A romanced Miranda is immortal.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

It's impossible. A romanced Miranda is immortal.

Actually, a romanced Miranda isn't quite immortal, although you'll never be able to kill her and only her. But if your suicide mission squad is down to three people, with Miranda, someone else with a value of 2 (loyal Legion, for instance) and 0 (such as nonloyal Tali), the HTL score will be 4/3, or 1.3. This is in the range of two squadmates dying, which is .5--1.5, and thus it is possible to kill a loyal Miranda.

[MisterJB]

I'll try that, should take a couple of hours.

edit: Or you just do the math. Well, that was not embarrassing at all.

Modifié par MisterJB, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:18 .