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[jtav]

1.33. And the calculator has Miranda as surviving. For the record, Miranda, Jacob and unloyal Jack were HTL.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

1.33. And the calculator has Miranda as surviving. For the record, Miranda, Jacob and unloyal Jack were HTL.

Really? I must have been misinformed about the threshold being 1.5... unless Miranda simply cheats.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I <3 this shot:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[naledgeborn]

Xilizhra wrote...

Really? I must have been misinformed about the threshold being 1.5... unless Miranda simply cheats.

Yea, Loyal Miranda is immortal. I tested it my self back when Ecael was around and I still used my PC for gaming.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's impossible. A romanced Miranda is immortal.

Actually, a romanced Miranda isn't quite immortal, although you'll never be able to kill her and only her. But if your suicide mission squad is down to three people, with Miranda, someone else with a value of 2 (loyal Legion, for instance) and 0 (such as nonloyal Tali), the HTL score will be 4/3, or 1.3. This is in the range of two squadmates dying, which is .5--1.5, and thus it is possible to kill a loyal Miranda.

As Jtav pointed out with 3 squadmates in the HtL 1.3 = only 1 squadmate death.

It works out as this...

2.0 = all 3 survive
1.0-1.9 = 2 survive
0.1-0.9 = 1 survives
0.0 = all 3 die

http://social.biowar...5855452]Suicide Mission guide on the ME2 official campaign forum on this site[/url] confirms it.

The only way to get 2 squadmates dying with just 3 on the HtL is to have a score less than 1. Which pretty much means you can't have any of the mid table loyal squadmates (Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Samara and Legion) dying if left on the HtL in this scenario or in fact any scenario where they are loyal and on the HtL

[Skullheart]

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's impossible. A romanced Miranda is immortal.

Actually, a romanced Miranda isn't quite immortal, although you'll never be able to kill her and only her. But if your suicide mission squad is down to three people, with Miranda, someone else with a value of 2 (loyal Legion, for instance) and 0 (such as nonloyal Tali), the HTL score will be 4/3, or 1.3. This is in the range of two squadmates dying, which is .5--1.5, and thus it is possible to kill a loyal Miranda.

I tried to kill her in HTL. She was with mordin, tali, kasumi, jack. (all unloyal). and she survived.

[jtav]

Which is what makes the current state of affairs so very, very galling. You have to be actively trying to kill her, especially given that her LM is pretty much on your way. And all they're using her for is this?if I hadn't been burned so many times before, my brain would refuse to believe it.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Which is what makes the current state of affairs so very, very galling. You have to be actively trying to kill her, especially given that her LM is pretty much on your way. And all they're using her for is this?if I hadn't been burned so many times before, my brain would refuse to believe it.

I'm not sure if her plot armor was supposed to mean anything; she just needed to be alive to say a few lines.

[jtav]

No, reverse it. I'd wager money that she survives more often than Kasumi, but I'd rather be a Kasumi fan right now. I thought her high survival rate would allow her to get the kind of attention Team Dextro is.

[Eyeshield21]

uh, I just got back online, so what Miranda topic are we talking about today?

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

No, reverse it. I'd wager money that she survives more often than Kasumi, but I'd rather be a Kasumi fan right now. I thought her high survival rate would allow her to get the kind of attention Team Dextro is.

The Cerberus connection probably hurt her.

[enayasoul]

*covers ears and doesn't want to hear or read about killing Miranda. noooooooo!*

Enjoys the picture of Miranda posted by masseffect fan. Very nice. :happy:

Modifié par enayasoul, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:09 .

[MisterJB]

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

No, reverse it. I'd wager money that she survives more often than Kasumi, but I'd rather be a Kasumi fan right now. I thought her high survival rate would allow her to get the kind of attention Team Dextro is.

The Cerberus connection probably hurt her.

The Cerberus connection should have been good for her. Major enemy?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

enayasoul wrote...



Enjoys the picture of Miranda posted by masseffect fan. Very nice.

IKR:wub:? That shows a light and loving side to our Miri:wub:.
I'm trying to be optimistic as possible. Remember people. She is our LI. I hope for the best:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:11 .

[jtav]

Hurt her? They're a major enemy, and she has more ties to them than anyone. She belongs in that plot the same way Liara belonged in the "confront Benezia" plot.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

Hurt her? They're a major enemy, and she has more ties to them than anyone. She belongs in that plot the same way Liara belonged in the "confront Benezia" plot.

Now if only Casey Hudson and Mac Walters took the time to read this...

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Hurt her? They're a major enemy, and she has more ties to them than anyone. She belongs in that plot the same way Liara belonged in the "confront Benezia" plot.

I meant in terms of sheer popularity, which is how I thought you were referring to Team Dextro. My apologies.

I think their thought process for Cerberus was that they thought that Miranda was more just one part of Cerberus, and the real Cerberus rivalry was between Shepard and TIM directly, with Miranda playing support for whichever one she was loyal to, just like Jacob and the Cerberus crew. Perhaps the writers didn't see Miranda as being truly "special" in that regard.

[enayasoul]

Another lovely shot from MisterJB!

[Athayniel]

jtav wrote...

Hurt her? They're a major enemy, and she has more ties to them than anyone. She belongs in that plot the same way Liara belonged in the "confront Benezia" plot.

Except that that was entirely optional. You didn't even have to recruit Liara before going to Noveria, and even then you didn't have to take her on the mission.

Just sayin'... I agree with you, but Liara and Benezia are not making your point for you.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

naledgeborn wrote...

jtav wrote...

Hurt her? They're a major enemy, and she has more ties to them than anyone. She belongs in that plot the same way Liara belonged in the "confront Benezia" plot.

Now if only Casey Hudson and Mac Walters took the time to read this...

Ever thought that maybe they don't need to because people are jumping up and down over something that has no relevance as far as ANY and I repeat ANY of the LIs are concerned. Why? Because it is obvious that the romances weren't even written when that beta stuff was. Which means there is a whole slew of stuff that wasn't in that leak pertaining to the LI characters.

As already pointed out, as far as Cerberus goes, she is/was high up the ladder with the fact she is one of only a few who've been on that station that we see her and TIM on at the start of ME2. Sure she won't most likely have an idea where it is now due to TIM moving it at least once since she was last on it (accounting for her not having been on it since ME2) but she has a better understanding than pretty much anyone else Shepard knows.

This is the last game in the trilogy. Most ends (if not all) are going to get tied up, which most likely means, Miri and Cerberus, Shep and her Father/Sister. I highly doubt any of the LIs are going to get as sidelined as Ashley/Kaidan were in ME2 because there isn't an ME4 for them to be saved for.

Edit: Just to further go on from what Athayniel said, the other thing about Liara is, technically you don't even need to see her in ME2 either. I've got a Shepard that didn't even go in the Crescent Nebula let alone land on Ilium 
Am I going to be pissed when that Shepard meets her in ME3 and possibly has to have her join up with him even though he'd rather tell her where to go... no. I'll grin and bear it but if that Shepard ends up in a scenario where has to choose saving another squadmate or Liara, Liara will finally be losing her plot armor for that particular Shepard  Oh and in case you were wondering, in that playthrough non-loyal Miranda remained alive most likely due to being the only non-loyal squadmate on the team and thus thanks to having enough of the heavies on HtL she survived.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:33 .

[jtav]

No, you don't. But you don't generally give a character a huge connection to the 2IC/secondary antagonist and there role be getting rescued from the geth.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

*downloads* >.>

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

jtav wrote...

No, you don't. But you don't generally give a character a huge connection to the 2IC/secondary antagonist and there role be getting rescued from the geth.

You mean like how you rescued Liara from Geth/Krogan on Therum in ME?


Just saying... 

[jtav]

But that wasn't her entire role either. Sorry I have a habit of leaving off parts of sentences.