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[Vertigo_1]

This is a continuation of what I linked before:

http://twitter.com/#...151659231584256
"Can you elaborate on what you mean by this, without spoiling too much of the story? Can there be a happy ending with Tali?"

"Can't comment on possible endings without spoiling the story, but #ME3 will involve lots of life & death decisions."

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Melrache wrote...
That has been linked already.

Hehe that's right; I always bring interesting twitter posts here before putting it down on the thread.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 juin 2011 - 01:55 .

[jtav]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

This is a continuation of what I linked before:

http://twitter.com/#...151659231584256
"Can you elaborate on what you mean by this, without spoiling too much of the story? Can there be a happy ending with Tali?"

"Can't comment on possible endings without spoiling the story, but #ME3 will involve lots of life & death decisions."

I'd be disappointed if it didn't. It's war. Miranda can probably die again. Or she can live and get a happy ending. The question is: what will her life cost?

[Rawke]

Ieldra2 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
@CaseyDHudson@fpsanalyst @beyond_galactus Wow, 65 pages of love for Miranda! She'll be in #ME3 of course, but we'll keep scale of all roles a suprise.
So you guys are getting a suprise. I am guessing her role is pretty big!

He's just reacting to our frequently coming up wish that she'll have a big role. It doesn't mean anything.

The problem is that she can't be critical, just like everyone else except the VS, Liara and Vega. The overarching plot must still work without her presence. Though given that she's the most used team member in ME2, at least the second most popular romance *and* that she's very difficult to kill and should be alive in almost all games, I'd say her chances of having about the biggest role possible within those constraints are pretty good.

As for the length of the thread, it *is* very unusual that we're getting so big that fast, even given that Miranda is reasonably popular. Hey, I am surprised myself by the activity boost here. This thread is on steroids at the moment - six other posts were written while I was writing this one. That's crazy.  

Edit:
I don't visit the other characters threads that often, but is it correct that we are unique in being as concerned about Miranda's role in the plot as about her team member status, if not more? 

I think the only one's who are as "fanatic" and numerous are the Talimancers and they already know the status of their favourite character. Same goes for the VS, Liara and Garrus fans. All otehr characters really lack the fanbase for threads like this one.

Does anybody know BTW if it's even possible to get Miranda killed without Shepard dying, too? Because so far all vids I've seen of "everybody dies"-SMs include Shepard getting killed, too. If that was the case, it wouldn't be possible to import a save anyway. Not sure though, I always keep everyone alive.

[Melra]

I am not sure, why Yvonne hasn't come out with the info, that she'll be voice acting in ME3. Everyone says, that Miranda will be back, but nobody is directly saying, that it would mean that Yvonne would be voice acting her.

I know it would be completely idiotic, if she wasn't, but it has happened before.

[jtav]

Take her to the human Reaper unloyal. She'll be the sole casualty if you do everything else right.

[MisterJB]

Melrache wrote...
I'd just love for her to show up, give the Alliance the middle finger, take her man out, after slapping him on the head for being an idiot and getting caught.

That would be pretty awesome but I don't think she would do it. Miranda would understand the necessity for the trial.

Rawke wrote...
Does anybody know BTW if it's even possible to get Miranda killed without Shepard dying, too? Because so far all vids I've seen of "everybody dies"-SMs include Shepard getting killed, too. If that was the case, it wouldn't be possible to import a save anyway.

It's possible but not if she is loyal.

[Ieldra]

Rawke wrote...
Does anybody know BTW if it's even possible to get Miranda killed without Shepard dying, too? Because so far all vids I've seen of "everybody dies"-SMs include Shepard getting killed, too. If that was the case, it wouldn't be possible to import a save anyway. Not sure though, I always keep everyone alive.

Yes that is possible. Don't do her loyalty mission or side with Jack, then take her with you to the final boss. That will do it. Theoretically she can also die holding the line, again only if she's not loyal. A loyal Miranda will always survive.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2011 - 02:00 .

[jtav]

And it's not possible to kill her at all if she is loyal. Which is why it's so hard for me to kill her off. One thing to make a snap decision, but I have to live with killing her for hours before I do.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
I am not sure, why Yvonne hasn't come out with the info, that she'll be voice acting in ME3.

She has signed an NDA and is not allowed to say. That's the reason. There's even a tweet by her, IIRC, saying exactly that she's not allowed to say.

And no, that doesn't mean anything either. NDAs often extend into the future. I once took part in a beta test of a game, and the NDA said I wasn't allowed to say anything about what went on in the beta-test for five years to come.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Melrache wrote...
I am not sure, why Yvonne hasn't come out with the info, that she'll be voice acting in ME3.

She has signed an NDA and is not allowed to say. That's the reason. There's even a tweet by her, IIRC, saying exactly that she's not allowed to say.

Yeah, I know that much, but it's weird that she isn't allowed to say anything, after her character has already been said to appear in the game.

[Rawke]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Rawke wrote...
Does anybody know BTW if it's even possible to get Miranda killed without Shepard dying, too? Because so far all vids I've seen of "everybody dies"-SMs include Shepard getting killed, too. If that was the case, it wouldn't be possible to import a save anyway. Not sure though, I always keep everyone alive.

Yes that is possible. Don't do her loyalty mission and take her with you to the final boss. That will do it. Theoretically she can also die holding the line, again only if she's not loyal. A loyal Miranda will always survive.

Ah, well. I can't see why people skip LMs. Doesn't really make sense to me.

[AresXX7]

jtav wrote...

And it's not possible to kill her at all if she is loyal. Which is why it's so hard for me to kill her off. One thing to make a snap decision, but I have to live with killing her for hours before I do.

Do you know if she still lives if you send her through the vents? Regardless if she's loyal or not.



Edit: clarification

Modifié par AresXX7, 24 juin 2011 - 02:08 .

[jtav]

She can't be sent through the vents or sent back as an escort.

[MisterJB]

AresXX7 wrote...

Do you know if she still lives if you send her through the vents? Loyal or not.

You can't send her through the vents.

edit: Ninja'ed

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 juin 2011 - 02:07 .

[S.A.K]

AresXX7 wrote...

jtav wrote...

And it's not possible to kill her at all if she is loyal. Which is why it's so hard for me to kill her off. One thing to make a snap decision, but I have to live with killing her for hours before I do.

Do you know if she still lives if you send her through the vents? Loyal or not.

The only place deferent to her is putting her as 2nd squad lead. Thats really the only place she can't die. Btw I don't think she can go into the vent!

Modifié par S.A.K, 24 juin 2011 - 02:08 .

[jtav]

She can't due in any place except holding the line and the final boss. And she can hold the line alone if loyal.

[AresXX7]

jtav wrote...

She can't be sent through the vents or sent back as an escort.

I've never tried it before, so I wasn't aware of that.

Well, I guess I learned something new. 

 

[Master Shiori]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The problem is that she can't be critical, just like everyone else except the VS, Liara and Vega. The overarching plot must still work without her presence. Though given that she's the most used team member in ME2, at least the second most popular romance *and* that she's very difficult to kill and should be alive in almost all games, I'd say her chances of having about the biggest role possible within those constraints are pretty good.

As for the length of the thread, it *is* very unusual that we're getting so big that fast, even given that Miranda is reasonably popular. Hey, I am surprised myself by the activity boost here. This thread is on steroids at the moment - six other posts were written while I was writing this one. That's crazy.  

Edit:
I don't visit the other characters threads that often, but is it correct that we are unique in being as concerned about Miranda's role in the plot as about her team member status, if not more? 

I'd say it's because Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Liara and Tali fans are in the safe zone, knowing their favorite LI's/squadmates are going to be included as permanent squad members.

Miranda fans are pretty much being kept in the dark, aside from the fact that we know Miri will be in ME3 in some capacity.
So people are posting here in order for Bioware to take note of Miri's popularity and give her a worthy role in ME3.

[jtav]

And Garrus and Tali are back up in the air. I'm starting to think we'll get Miranda for all Cerberus missions (directly dealing with Cerberus, not every mission where there are Cerberus enemies), Garrus for turians, and so on. Vega, VS, Liara are always with you.

[Ieldra]

Master Shiori wrote...
I'd say it's because Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Liara and Tali fans are in the safe zone, knowing their favorite LI's/squadmates are going to be included as permanent squad members.

Actually nobody said anything like that. All they said was they were "playable to some extent". People assumed that because they were in the demos, they'd be on the team permanently. But apparently that's not how things work.

Considering that only the VS, Liara and Vega can be plot-critical, I find it more likely that only they are strictly permanent. Actually, I now question even that, because apparently we'll be getting some Virmire-like decisions where deaths cannot be avoided. At least, that's how I take that tweet about having to make many hard life-and-death decisions.

Edit:
Also, that's how I hope things will be going. If they make Garrus and Tali permanent and Miranda not, I'm going on a Sovereign-sized rant.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

And Garrus and Tali are back up in the air. I'm starting to think we'll get Miranda for all Cerberus missions (directly dealing with Cerberus, not every mission where there are Cerberus enemies), Garrus for turians, and so on. Vega, VS, Liara are always with you.

hm still don't know how they are going to swing liara - especially after LoSB (can't work on the ship etc surely applies even more now), i can only think Vega as the newbie atm.

[Master Shiori]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually nobody said anything like that. All they said was they were "playable to some extent". People assumed that because they were in the demos, they'd be on the team permanently. But apparently that's not how things work.

Considering that only the VS, Liara and Vega can be plot-critical, I find it more likely that only they are strictly permanent.

Yeah, you're right. I just saw that tweet from Casey Hudson about Tali.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, I now question even that, because apparently we'll be getting some Virmire-like decisions where deaths cannot be avoided. At least, that's how I take that tweet about having to make many hard life-and-death decisions.

Didn't Casey or one of the devs says how we're going to decide the fate of entire worlds and civilizations in ME3? I took that as meaning we'll have another Virmire style decision but on a much larger scale than simply choosing between 2 squadmates.

[The Uncanny]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Miranda is established in my mind as straight, it has influenced how I think about her, and I wouldn't like to see it changed.

And in my mind she hasn't been established as anything. And even if she was to decide she had feelings for Shepard in a FemShep version of the game that would have no effect whatsoever on a MaleShep equivalent. So for those players it isn't changing anything anyway...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd rather people play protagonists of different genders as a solution to the problem.

You're kind of missing the point.

[Jebel Krong]

The Uncanny wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Miranda is established in my mind as straight, it has influenced how I think about her, and I wouldn't like to see it changed.

And in my mind she hasn't been established as anything. And even if she was to decide she had feelings for Shepard in a FemShep version of the game that would have no effect whatsoever on a MaleShep equivalent. So for those players it isn't changing anything anyway...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd rather people play protagonists of different genders as a solution to the problem.

You're kind of missing the point.

er, it has been established that miranda is straight by virtue of being romanceable by male shepards and previous relationship with jacob. there were no allusions to any other interest at any point. your qualification has no basis in support because unless a gay relationship is established in ME3, nobody can judge how it would be implemented and what consequences, if any, that would have on how the relationships develop thereon.

[Nashiktal]

jtav wrote...

She can't due in any place except holding the line and the final boss. And she can hold the line alone if loyal.

If she can hold the line alone why did I waste my time recruiting all those people.