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[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Not quite, I like the symbolism of Miranda being able to pass on her gifts. I could live with it being Oriana, but I dislike the implication that the Lawson sisters are all infertile.

Though admittedly from a storytelling point of view, it would be very appropriate.

I think it's just Miranda that's infertile. She is the proto of her father's vision afterall. I don't think he stopped his experiments with Oriana (but she might be special/fertile). That might explain why he's still looking for her after all those years. The story could go in many directions I guess.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 09 novembre 2011 - 01:52 .

[Melra]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

If Miranda chooses to do that, it's not forced on the player.

It is, if the player is romancing Miranda.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Melrache wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

A miracle pregnancy would be trolling on the part of BW's writers.

If it were a combo of both Shep's Super Sperm ™ and Miri responding to fertility treatments...

Don't bang it, if you don't want it to happen, simple. Dem babiez have to happen, else life is boaring and meaningless.

FYI, the image you snipped out was the me gusta face. Which means that I approve of the latter.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Now I'm thinking of Miranda finding more clone "sisters" in her father's labs and adopting them.

Unfortunately this brings brings to mind that one scene from Alien Resurrection where Ripley 8 finds the other 7...

And Miranda was the first one he kept...

Still sure we want to see that?

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Unfortunately this brings brings to mind that one scene from Alien Resurrection where Ripley 8 finds the other 7...

And Miranda was the first one he kept...

Still sure we want to see that?

I'm just going to agree with you from now on and hope for the best

[Melra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Now I'm thinking of Miranda finding more clone "sisters" in her father's labs and adopting them.

Unfortunately this brings brings to mind that one scene from Alien Resurrection where Ripley 8 finds the other 7...

And Miranda was the first one he kept...

Still sure we want to see that?

Or that one very weird Resident Evil Movie.

[jtav]

Adoption bothers me less. It's the same kind of situation as the parents dying and the oldest sibling stepping up. You, as boyfriend, can either stay or go, but circumstances have altered her life forever. What I minded was BW's tendency to assume all players wanted to settle down. Or wouldn't use condoms.

And, Ely, think about this, Miranda would be several months pregnant. They'd have to make a new model with different rigging. Not smart, considering the number of people who would see this compared to those who wouldn't. And there already being a baby is too moronic for words.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Melrache wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

If Miranda chooses to do that, it's not forced on the player.

It is, if the player is romancing Miranda.

Not really. Virmire is forced on the player. Miranda "adopting" a "twin" is just her story. If your Shepard doesn't want to be a part of that family he can leave her.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:06 .

[jtav]

And, really, who else would step in? Oriana is a college student. Miranda is next of kin.

[CrutchCricket]

I don't think there's any reason to actually show a baby in any circumstances in ME3. There may be a pregnancy explicitly stated in epilogues if they choose to go that route. But I think a safer bet would just be the promise of one- that way you leave it open to fans as to whether it actually happens.

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

And, really, who else would step in? Oriana is a college student. Miranda is next of kin.

Sister would do just fine, no adoption is required. She'd be independent pretty soon anyway.

[jtav]

I think that would be the best way. As long as Miranda has something else beyond family too, I'm happy.

[Elyvern]

jtav wrote...

Adoption bothers me less. It's the same kind of situation as the parents dying and the oldest sibling stepping up. You, as boyfriend, can either stay or go, but circumstances have altered her life forever. What I minded was BW's tendency to assume all players wanted to settle down. Or wouldn't use condoms.

And, Ely, think about this, Miranda would be several months pregnant. They'd have to make a new model with different rigging. Not smart, considering the number of people who would see this compared to those who wouldn't. And there already being a baby is too moronic for words.

A-hah - I never did say when that'll happen. Besides, there is also no knowing how long the duration of ME3 lasts. Time-skips are entirely possible as well. Basically for me, it boils down to this. The theme of biological and genetic potential is a very strong part of Miranda's character concept. It's inevitable that something like this comes to mind. And so far it does seem like Bioware is hell-bent on milking everything about her character to the nth degree. Everything that's been revealed about her so far seemed to have made it into the early script draft - with her infertility as the ONLY exception so far.

And then there's those damning lines she says to Oriana. If I were one of the writers, the one of the most ideal (and that's arguable, but we'll not get to that here) outcomes if romanced would be to exactly subvert what Miranda says she could never have.

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:13 .

[jtav]

Melrache wrote...

jtav wrote...

And, really, who else would step in? Oriana is a college student. Miranda is next of kin.

Sister would do just fine, no adoption is required. She'd be independent pretty soon anyway.

No, if there was an infant clone sister. Miranda kinda *has* to step in as parent.

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

Melrache wrote...

jtav wrote...

And, really, who else would step in? Oriana is a college student. Miranda is next of kin.

Sister would do just fine, no adoption is required. She'd be independent pretty soon anyway.

No, if there was an infant clone sister. Miranda kinda *has* to step in as parent.

Well then I hope there isn't two Lawson twins is just enough.

[JosephDucreux]

naledgeborn wrote...
No Shepard Jr./Miranda II? But think of the early morning calisthenics and weapons/ordinance training... who will Shep have to fistbump when things go BOOM?

WIN. Which gives me an idea...

Shepard: Nice! You just toasted 2 Makos with just a kilo of PE (plastic explosive)! That's gotta be a record.

Ryan (Shep. Jr): Heh. Just busted your record old man.

Shep: Shut up or you're paying for the beers tonight.

Ryan: A'ight dad, you the stud. You the stud.

Shep *pats Ryan on the back with a fatherly grin*: Now that's more like it.

Miranda *yelling from inside the house*: Ryan! Mow the lawn NOW!!

Ryan *sighs as both father and son head back to the house*: Alright. Damn mom and her mowing obsession...

Shep: At least she's sexy as hell.

Ryan: True dat. *fistbump*

Ryan: Hang on dad...you said you hated the lawn right?

Shepard: Yeah, why...you little jackass. You are SMART!

Ryan: What can I say dad, I'm a born genius.

*Miranda is busy preparing dinner while simultaneously reading growth reports from her company when she heards a massive boom and rushes out into the yard*

Miranda *sees the destroyed lawn and starts screaming*: Ryan Shepard, what the hell did you just do?!!

Ryan: Relax mom, I just solved your lawn problems for you! *high fives with Shepard*

Miranda *venomous tone*: Oh Ryan Shepard, you will experience pain no man has ever experienced before tonight...and you! John Shepard! Why did you allow him to blow up the lawn and my beloved roses with it?!!

Shepard: Um...uh...that's because dinner's burning?

Miranda: *screams*

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think that would be the best way. As long as Miranda has something else beyond family too, I'm happy.

I'm admittedly greatly bothered by Miranda's obsession with this supposedly "normal" family. As if it was totally impossible 200 years into a technologically advanced future to see anything else as normal. I greatly dislike the conservative spin Bioware puts on everything in the ME universe, from the Paragon favoritism to this. For that reason, I would actually prefer that "adopting clone sisters" ending.

All that, of course, given that she also continues to work towards the advancement of humanity, as in the Foundation scenario (see OP for those who don't know what I'm talking about). That's an absolute must.

[Elyvern]

We may as well let the cat out of the bag, eh, Ieldra? Miranda adopting her clones as her own daughters is 1 of the endings to my fanfic too. >.<

Strangely enough, however, I am actually sceptical that Bioware would have Miranda do something like that, partially because of the way her relationship with Oriana has been handled. Let's face it - Oriana is Miranda's clone. Miranda herself is a clone too, of her sisters that came before her. But what we're given is the constant whitewashing of "she's my genetic twin, my sister". You can argue that it's because Miranda firmly feels that kinship with Oriana, but the vibe I get too is that Bioware doesn't dare to rock the boat and say outright that they are all clones of each other, because it would be too disturbing. If one of the options for ME3 is really an adoption of her baby clone, then kudos to Bioware for taking that radical step.

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:30 .

[Ieldra]

Heh....we've disagreed passionately about many things in your story, Elyvern, but setting a counterpoint to Bioware's conservatism is not one of them, LOL.

And yes, if they write that option in, I'll take back what I said.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[jtav]

Well, hopefully, we can subvert it by being good little Renegades, Ieldra.

And,Ely, the reason I don't find your scenario convincing is you mention the sex/no sex flag. The engine room scene was almost a year ago at this point. Either she's heavily pregnant pr it's epilogue. And I still want to believe BW wouldn't just blithely assume the player wants children, especially given the tone of the romance.

[Elyvern]

@jtav - 4 flags - if you add various permutations, there's quite a number of outcomes to be derived from it. I would never expect just 1 outcome for the romance, but as one of the possible outcomes, it is perfectly reasonable, and with the evidence so far, more and more likely as well.

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:12 .

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think that would be the best way. As long as Miranda has something else beyond family too, I'm happy.

I'm admittedly greatly bothered by Miranda's obsession with this supposedly "normal" family. As if it was totally impossible 200 years into a technologically advanced future to see anything else as normal. I greatly dislike the conservative spin Bioware puts on everything in the ME universe, from the Paragon favoritism to this. For that reason, I would actually prefer that "adopting clone sisters" ending.

All that, of course, given that she also continues to work towards the advancement of humanity, as in the Foundation scenario (see OP for those who don't know what I'm talking about). That's an absolute must.

I wouldn't say I bothered by it  persay -  Its the one thing she never  had  and while  some who do take it for granted  that those don't  have it want it the most. Its like water - for those that  have it - cool  but for someone in Hell a refreshing glass of water is priceless.  One of thing that would be insteresting about her  character development is that there is really no such thing  as normal family. Family comes in many shapes and forms and its more than  just blood ties.  Which why I think Shepard and Jacob are interesting companions/friends/love interst for her being Marines -  one can say  that military is a family  in way  espeicail when  you get  down the  platoons and companies. 

[jtav]

An option, sure, but I don't think it'll kill them to add a bit of handwavium involving fertility treatments. Beyond that, as long as my mShep isn't forced into having kids with her and she can be galactically significant, it's no business of mine what endings other people have, no more than it's my business what ending someone chose in Deus Ex. I got mine. They got theirs. Everyone wins, and we can argue about it on the forums until we're blue in the face.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...
The engine room scene was almost a year ago at this point. Either she's heavily pregnant pr it's epilogue.

Wait what? She still has the infertility at that point. I really doubt they're going for "supersperm" and besides, however long ME3 is it does start roughly 6 months after. So if she were pregnant I'm not sure she'd be in any shape to be rescuing anyone.

On family and normality: We don't see much of family life, especially human family life in ME but what little there is seems to suggest the family unit hasn't changed much in 200 years. So you'd still have two parents raising kids for the most part. This is still considered "normal". So what's wrong with Miranda wanting that, given what her home life was?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[jtav]

I think that's exactly what bothers Ieldra. ME has 21th century mores. Think how much things have changed from 1850 to now and tell me that's plausible.

As for "superspem" seen it happen in fiction once too often.