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[flemm]

Well, the sex/no sex flags, combined with the infertility thing in the SB dossier does make one wonder. Honestly, the infertility thing itself is enough to make me wonder, always has been.

We'll see. The dialogue snippets we've seen certainly don't suggest that any "miracle pregnancy" has occurred, unless the time elapsed is supposed to be so brief that Miranda just doesn't know it yet. That strikes me a bit unlikely.

So, it's quite possible that the Sex/No sex flags just trigger some different dialog options, which is actually a possibility that many here have been rooting for all along.

Modifié par flemm, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:52 .

[CrutchCricket]

I'm no historian but actually I'm not sure the family unit has changed much in 200 years, at least not in western society. You still have mother-father-kids. Maybe the number of kids changes or the emphasis on other family relations change. Or maybe marriage changes. But family? Still seems to have plenty in common with the modern age at least on a structural level.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:54 .

[jtav]

Exacly flemm. Best guess from dev statements is ME3 takes place at least six months later. And this is endgame, so later than that. She'd know, and be visibly pregnant.

[Elyvern]

And..you don't actually get anything from her but a cryptic email at the start...right? And supposedly she only comes on later in the game?

Not trying to rain on your parade btw, just trying to cover all bases here through extrapolations.

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:56 .

[jtav]

At the very end. And two emails, one saying her father and TIM are back together and one saying she's going after Oriana.

[flemm]

Elyvern wrote...

And..you don't actually get anything from her but a cryptic email at the start...right? And supposedly she only comes on later in the game?

Not trying to rain on your parade btw, just trying to cover all bases here through extrapolations.

Well, if it's six months or so later... *spoilers*

She would know, so the dialog snippet about how "she could never have those things" wouldn't make sense. Not that we can rule anything out, because that snippet could be from the "No sex"-flagged dialog, but still, the clue points more away from the miracle pregnancy scenario than toward, at least that's my reaction.

Modifié par flemm, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:24 .

[Elyvern]

Thanks for the refresher, which means that a full 9-10 months could've gone past. Which then neatly circumvents all the problems you raised earlier. >.<

@flemm - ahh good point. Keep 'em coming, we have to trial and error until we get the most viable outcomes!

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Why is everyone going into the spastic kids= my life is over mode? Why are so many people here anit-children? I'm extremely baffled. And disappointed.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@flemm

Please PM me whatever spoiler you just said. I can't see it.

[CrutchCricket]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Why is everyone going into the spastic kids= my life is over mode? Why are so many people here anit-children? I'm extremely baffled. And disappointed.

What? No one's anti-children. jtav doesn't want them forced on us, others want less "conventional" family options and no one wants them during ME3. I don't believe anyone said "no kids at all, ever"

[flemm]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

@flemm

Please PM me whatever spoiler you just said. I can't see it.

You can't see it even if you highlight the text? (It's hidden with spoiler tags.)

[jtav]

Because some of us are childless by choice and hate how children seem to be synonymous with, and necessary for, happy ends in media.

[Mhgasa]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Why is everyone going into the spastic kids= my life is over mode? Why are so many people here anit-children? I'm extremely baffled. And disappointed.

Dont think its really about having kids or not, its about what people feel would be a fitting ending to the story arc of THEIR shepard. Not everyone have the same idea of a happy ending hench the ability to make choices thru dialog

[flemm]

Right, it's not "anti-kids," it's more that people have strong opinions about how that option should be included, and that it should be an option.

[Melra]

flemm wrote...

Right, it's not "anti-kids," it's more that people have strong opinions about how that option should be included, and that it should be an option.

While not having any choice in possible adoption, while Shepard and Miri are in somewhat committed relationship, sounds like old times already.

[jtav]

Right. All I want is a line like "After the war, Moranda used some of her newfound wealth to pay to have the benign tumor removed. She and FIRSTNAME Shepard are now the proud parents of a baby girl and divide their time between home and assisting with the rebuilding effort."

And the opportunity to not have kids. That's more important. I think the Paragon romance is cheesy, too. I also don't have to see it, ever.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

At the very end.

This part stills bugs me a bit, tbh. It's really nice to hear that the mission may not actually suck, but one mission towards the end of the game is still going to feel pretty thin at the end of the day. Here's hoping there's more.

Modifié par flemm, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[Elyvern]

I do find it strange that after all this time, I'm still being lumped into the "I want Miranda to be emotionless and heartless" and the "babies! yech, I hate babies" group.  All I ask for is some modicum of respect put into the decisions that we are given. All things at the right time and right place. Please remember we're in the middle of a galactic war here.

[jtav]

Well, there might be...compensations (is visualizing a potential Crowning Moment of Awesome not mentioned in the thread). And she may yet be Legion.

[wright1978]

What i want is post re-union. A dialogue in Shep's cabin where Miranda confides to Shep that she's infertile.(obviously people who've read SB files know this but i never eally felt Shep & Miri got to the stage where they were discussing the future)
Shep would then have 3 or so responses
1) End relationship
2) Tell her you love her and that you don't need kids to be happy
3) Tell her you love her and that given she brought you back from the dead, infertility will be child's play.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well, there might be...compensations (is visualizing a potential Crowning Moment of Awesome not mentioned in the thread). And she may yet be Legion.

Feel like sharing? :happy:

And, yeah, maybe she joins up late. Or the mission is a bit earlier in the game than the leak makes it appear. Could be available as early as the second batch of RMs in ME2, I guess, or around the time of the Collector Ship maybe.

Do you have the list of squad powers from the leak on hand, jtav?

If so, please PM me, because I am going to dissect it 

If not, no worries, I'll track it down later.

Modifié par flemm, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[jtav]

Fine by me. For all my reputation, I'm actually pretty easy to please.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Elyvern wrote...

I do find it strange that after all this time, I'm still being lumped into the "I want Miranda to be emotionless and heartless" and the "babies! yech, I hate babies" group.  All I ask for is some modicum of respect put into the decisions that we are given. All things at the right time and right place. Please remember we're in the middle of a galactic war here.

Pahh, nature will find a way. Miranda will have a babbeh and she will like it!

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

Because some of us are childless by choice and hate how children seem to be synonymous with, and necessary for, happy ends in media.

You're cold blooded. 

On a serious note, can't blame the concept of birth or re-birth for being associated with a happy ending. People usually want to walk away from a story with their belief in hope intact.

I myself prefer the "adoption". Miranda can come to terms with her existence by giving "herself" what she always wanted to have; a normal life.

And it even fits with the Foundation ending I'm not too crazy about. Whether Shepard is in or out of the picture is irrelevant.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[MisterJB]

 

flemm wrote...
Well, if it's six months or so later... *spoilers*

She would know, so the dialog snippet about how "she could never have those things" wouldn't make sense.

Not necessarily. Miranda speaks in the past tense in that scene so, my best guess is that Oriana asked her why did she take her away from their father and Miranda responded with things that could no longer be necessarily true. Or she could be simply referring how Mr.Lawson would never have allowed either of them to marry or have children.

Personally, I'd prefer if it occurred like this. Miranda's infertility is the result of a trap her father placed inside of her in case she ever escaped. Miranda saved Oriana before he could do the same to her.
Thus, Miranda is infertile while Oriana is not thanks to her big sister. After Mr.Lawson has been dealt with, Miranda and Shepard find the next Lawson twin in the center of Sanctuary and decide to raise her together.
However, I don't feel as strongly about this as others seem to do. As long as Miranda as it is reserved for the epilogue, I can even live with a "miracle pregnancy". My only "must" is that family does not become Miranda's sole focus.

Elyvern wrote...
And all the various romance flags...oh ugh...why is there for 1 for having had sex and 1 for not?? Geeezuss...

Romance conflicts? DA:O's conflict between Morrigan and Leliana differed depending on wether or not the Warden had already bedded Morrigan.
 

Modifié par MisterJB, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:14 .