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[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...

flemm wrote...
But I'm also not big on deluding myself: it seems quite clear from the files that Miranda's involvement has been designed to be restricted to one mission from the beginning.

I wonder about this big time, since it seems to be the case almost with the entire me2 specific cast also.

And it's the more annoying if you know who's got the main character slots instead. Just saying. I must say it could seriously hamper my enjoyment of ME3  - resenting all but two characters on the team for not being Miranda.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 novembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And it's the more annoying if you know who's got the main character slots instead. Just saying. I must say it could seriously hamper my enjoyment of ME3  - resenting all but two characters on the team for not being Miranda.

That's why i can't see myself playing the game more than once. it's going to be hard enough one time round with my resentment building every moment i'm forced to be surrounded by them.

[JosephDucreux]

Of course, we could always do this to McChicken Bukkit and Garrus to get Miri back on our squad:

http://weblogs.varie...19cf7970c-800wi

[wright1978]

Boilrig wrote...

I would find it unwise as a company to not take note of the communities feelings towards characters within the 'Mass Effect 3 Character and Romance Discussion', if Miranda is pulled back, all I could suggest is a DLC, using the same base from LOTSB to allow the community to have their time with Miranda as a squad member. If Bioware doesn't take on the communities ideas, it will be shown, and it will be noted.

I can't see there being a Miranda DLC as she can be dead. Maybe they could get round it and get ME2 characters some additional content but given their apparent disregard for the characters in the main game i'll wait and see it before i believe it. If it appears i'll have to change my current stance that i won't be buying DLC in protest at what they've done.

[jtav]

The only thing I'm truly disappointed in is that ME3 sounds as if it will rival DA2 for character interaction and Miranda won't reap much of the benefits. A certain other scene missing would be insulting--and I suspect we won't get it--but I'm willing to wait and see.I'm finding much to like about ME3's Miranda.

[Ieldra]

wright1978 wrote...
I can't see there being a Miranda DLC as she can be dead. Maybe they could get round it and get ME2 characters some additional content but given their apparent disregard for the characters in the main game i'll wait and see it before i believe it. If it appears i'll have to change my current stance that i won't be buying DLC in protest at what they've done.

I'm willing to wait and see, but yep, that's the kind of protest I'll be doing as well - if this sidelining of Miranda turns out to be final. It happened with DA2 as well. And that after I bought all of ME1, ME2 and DAO DLC.

I'll also publicly accuse Mike Gamble of lying. 

But I *will* wait for the game before making that decision. To base your judgment on relatively small but important things that are not there is dubious at the moment.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
But I *will* wait for the game before making that decision. To base your judgment on relatively small but important things that are not there is dubious at the moment.

Well, to be clear, I'm not making any final judgment. I will wait and see. However, I can only comment upon the information we have.

And we now have quite a bit. Not everything, but the basic outline of her involvement appears to be quite clear.

Modifié par flemm, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:28 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm willing to wait and see, but yep, that's the kind of protest I'll be doing as well - if this sidelining of Miranda turns out to be final. It happened with DA2 as well. And that after I bought all of ME1, ME2 and DAO DLC.

I'll also publicly accuse Mike Gamble of lying. 

But I *will* wait for the game before making that decision. To base your judgment on relatively small but important things that are not there is dubious at the moment.

Like you i've bought most of the DLC's including DA2 ones and some other merchandise too.I'll quite happily hold my hand up and apologise if it all turns out to be a lot better than it seems. I'm still here so in my mind i'm still open to the scenario where i carry on being that loyal customer.

[Ieldra]

LOL...Now I've seen the words "wait and see" in several different posts on this page. So, let's hope that the cynics are wrong and we won't have to retreat into fanfic come ME3. It will be sad enough once we've all played ME3 enough and must part from well-loved characters to leave for different universes.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL...Now I've seen the words "wait and see" in several different posts on this page.

Well, we're all still here. I don't think there's anyone who's not going to find out how the final product shapes up before making a decision.

At the very least I think we can look forward to some mega-rants of epic proportions

Nice pic

Modifié par flemm, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[jtav]

The spoilers have done one very nice thing for me--they have made Shep sympathetic. At last, I believe that he loves her and would make a fit partner for her. Not that I've abandoned my shipping ways, but Shep/Miranda moves alongside the other two as a couple I enjoy. Before, the romance was a pleasant diversion. Now, I want them happy.

Modifié par jtav, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
At the very least I think we can look forward to some mega-rants of epic proportions

That's a given here on BSN. But forgive me if I hope I won't be one who has to write one. I've done so after DA2, and while necessary, it was not a pleasant experience.

One more thing: In the official leaks thread, I've heard Jessica Merizan say that player agency is really impressive in ME3. Now I would usually be careful of what comes from official sources who want to sell their game, but she didn't have to say that at this point. So it's quite possible we'll be able to influence the outcome of characters' story arcs quite a bit. And I mean that apart from decisions that mean life or death.

BTW, I think I have to change my mind and agree with you that it's quite possible there will be no epilogues. The reasons are spoilerish so I won't go into that here.  

@jtav:
What the spoilers have done for me, after the initial shock, is to almost remove the most dramatic concerns that would have made me disown ME3 Miranda altogether and pretend her involvement with the ME storyline ends with ME2. It's not much, but it's something.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 novembre 2011 - 04:50 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'll also publicly accuse Mike Gamble of lying. 

What did he say?

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:10 .

[Prudii Aden]

I was going to pre-order (and get it as a birthday present for a mate) but now I think I'm more likely to wait until I hear the news on the 6/7th of March.

[jtav]

I canceled my pre-order in the initial panic, and am waiting on pre-order bonus announcements to reinstate it.

[Ieldra]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'll also publicly accuse Mike Gamble of lying. 

What did he say?

He was the one who said - to my face and in answer to the question of whether Miranda would be a main character - that Miranda will have a large role in ME3. 

At the moment, that appears to be almost certainly wrong. If that turns out to be true, I'll change my signature to include "Mike Gamble was lying".

@jtav:
to your pre-order roulette.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[Skullheart]

Ieldra2 wrote...

He was the one who said - to my face and in answer to the question of whether Miranda would be a main character - that Miranda will have a large role in ME3. 

At the moment, that appears to be almost certainly wrong. If that turns out to be true, I'll change my signature to include "Mike Gamble was lying".

@jtav:
to your pre-order roulette.

You could change it to "Mike Gamble might be lying." 

Leaving a pic...

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
One more thing: In the official leaks thread, I've heard Jessica Merizan say that player agency is really impressive in ME3. Now I would usually be careful of what comes from official sources who want to sell their game, but she didn't have to say that at this point.

Well, just to prove I wasn't lying all this time when I said I don't always find myself in the role of sunny optimist, I'll point out that she has every reason to say that because one of the primary complaints about the leaked material has been the apparently minor impact of player choice.

What she appeared to be implying is that the leaked script is only one of several scripts that are involved in the development of the game. Which may be accurate and could explain why certain types of scenarios are emphasized more than others.

However, we should never underestimate the capacity of PR to simply blow smoke. That's the whole point of PR, basically.


Completely separate point
On an unrelated, but I think quite significant topic, I will add that one under-discussed aspect of the leaked info so far is that the reunion with Miranda actually follows quite closely a specific scenario that has often been discussed here, particularly following Casey Hudson's tweet about Miranda possibly not being ok.

Difference is that the scenario plays out exactly as fans have requested for it not to play out, with Miranda being in a position of passivity and helplessness until Shepard arrives.

Again, I see no plausible story logic or game development reason for it to work that way. All that does is reduce Miranda's involvement and agency in her own mission. So, this should be changed, if it hasn't been already.

Plenty of options for bad endings, there's no need for a bad beginning as well.

Modifié par flemm, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:42 .

[Ohei]

Ok, let's clarify something:

Does ''big role'' equal a bunch of screentime? Or that the character itself fits in the story because she is the link between Shepard and one of the main antagonists?

[flemm]

Ohei wrote...

Ok, let's clarify something:

Does ''big role'' equal a bunch of screentime? Or that the character itself fits in the story because she is the link between Shepard and one of the main antagonists?

Screentime is apparently minimal. Miranda does nothing that won't happen regardless. However, the phrase "large role" is vague enough that one could plausibly say it was bullsh*t, rather than an actual lie.

Anyway, unless drastic changes have been made, it was certainly a deliberately misleading comment.

That's about the best I can do.

Modifié par flemm, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Ohei]

flemm wrote...

Ohei wrote...

Ok, let's clarify something:

Does ''big role'' equal a bunch of screentime? Or that the character itself fits in the story because she is the link between Shepard and one of the main antagonists?

Screentime is apparently minimal. Miranda does nothing that won't happen regardless. However, the phrase "large role" is vague enough that one could plausibly say it was bullsh*t, rather than an actual lie.

That's about the best I can do.

Gotcha. Asking now, did you guys read the extended 4chan leak? Apparently it is 100 times better than the original leak with over 20,000 pages of Word. Maybe there's more of Miranda's character in it.

Or maybe that's the one you've been discussing?

[flemm]

Ohei wrote...

Or maybe that's the one you've been discussing?

That's the one we've been discussing. It basically corroborates the original leak, though. There's just more detail.

[Ieldra]

You can be sure, flemm, that I'll check Miranda's appearance in ME3 against the list of things most wanted by her fans. Very carefully. As for the problem of how we meet her, later badassery can do a lot to balance a bad beginning. Though I certainly hope for a better entrance.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[Ohei]

flemm wrote...

Ohei wrote...

Or maybe that's the one you've been discussing?

That's the one we've been discussing. It basically corroborates the original leak, though. There's just more detail.

Okies.

So, in the newest one, do we get anything regarding an epilogue with Miranda and Shepard, or...?

[flemm]

Ohei wrote...

So, in the newest one, do we get anything regarding an epilogue with Miranda and Shepard, or...?

It's unclear. Endgame is less clear than the rest of the material across the board (not just for Miranda). It seems likely that you will be able to talk to the one-mission cameo characters once more before the final battle, if they survive their mission.

This could be where some type of resolution to the Miranda romance would fit.

Modifié par flemm, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:49 .