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[KamikazeShepard]

I never got a chance to read the spoilers about Miranda, so can anyone fill me in on her involvement?

[flemm]

alperez wrote...
As for losing me completely, i think we probaby have the same line of no return on this issue.

Yeah, it seems we are basically in agreement. What I'm seeing is not only one mission, but one mission that takes a form that fans have explicitly stated they do not want, with as much unanimity as one could expect from any group of fans. So, there is no good reason for that.

KamikazeShepard wrote...

I never got a chance to read the spoilers about Miranda, so can anyone fill me in on her involvement?

We don't have all the details, but basically one mission late in the game, with a couple of long-distance conversations early on and possibly some additional interaction of some kind at the very end of the game.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[Skullheart]

Wiiiiiiiiii... the rollescoaster is going down again.

BTW, has been any recent tweets from the devs?

Modifié par Skullheart, 14 novembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[jtav]

I'm in a weird spot. Certainly, the size of her role is disappointing. One apparent omission is nigh unforgivable. But I recognize the woman in the leaks as Miranda, and the omissions are so easy to fix that I'm genuinely excited to fix them. So, a mixed bag generally expressing itself as mild disappointment. Can you write fanfic for a game not even out yet?

[alperez]

jtav wrote...

I'm in a weird spot. Certainly, the size of her role is disappointing. One apparent omission is nigh unforgivable. But I recognize the woman in the leaks as Miranda, and the omissions are so easy to fix that I'm genuinely excited to fix them. So, a mixed bag generally expressing itself as mild disappointment. Can you write fanfic for a game not even out yet?

I find myself in almost the same position (although i find my pessimism rises and falls daily lol).

Compared to how i felt at the first set of leaks, the second raised my hopes somewhat and like you say it actually wouldn't take very much more effort or content to actually flesh the role out that much more, so there's still some room for things to work out very well.

Where i do find myself more pessimestic though is when reading through some of the leaks, there are so many instances where they seem to go in the complete oppostite direction of what i actually hoped for, at times when reading them i continually find myself wondering if they paid even the slighest bit of notice to what people wanted or didn't want, whether or not in the end this turns out to be just more over pessimism on my part is unfortunately a wait and see situation, in the end we won't actually know until the game itself is released.

What i will say though is if things go in the direction i fear, then it may be time to find a different company to support for me at least.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

I'm in a weird spot. Certainly, the size of her role is disappointing. One apparent omission is nigh unforgivable. But I recognize the woman in the leaks as Miranda, and the omissions are so easy to fix that I'm genuinely excited to fix them. So, a mixed bag generally expressing itself as mild disappointment. Can you write fanfic for a game not even out yet?

I'm going with the idea that the Quantum Entanglement Communicator is going to be how we interact with Miranda for the majority of the game. It's a perfect storytelling device that allows Shepard to interact with a character without needing to be face-to-face or using email.

[enayasoul]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'm in a weird spot. Certainly, the size of her role is disappointing. One apparent omission is nigh unforgivable. But I recognize the woman in the leaks as Miranda, and the omissions are so easy to fix that I'm genuinely excited to fix them. So, a mixed bag generally expressing itself as mild disappointment. Can you write fanfic for a game not even out yet?

I'm going with the idea that the Quantum Entanglement Communicator is going to be how we interact with Miranda for the majority of the game. It's a perfect storytelling device that allows Shepard to interact with a character without needing to be face-to-face or using email.

I'm also feeling a bit uneasy with Miranda not being with Shepard.   I just don't know... but could be better than I imagined.    I guess the fear is being cheated with the amount of time we can spend with her... or missing out on some witty banter between her, shepard and some of the crewmates? You know?

Guess we'll find out come march.

Yeah, the quantum Entanglement Communicator is a good idea.  I do like how they did hackett appearing in Shepards quarters.  That was pretty cool.   And finally meeting Hackett was good to.  Finally a face to put to the voice.

Modifié par enayasoul, 14 novembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[Dr. Doctor]

That could actually be an interesting way to physically introduce Miranda in-game, have her appear in Shepard's quarters as a hologram a few times only to have her appear in the flesh at some point.

[enayasoul]

Yeah that would be a neat idea. Shepard wants to have her in the flesh at some point. He misses her. *wink*

Modifié par enayasoul, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:16 .

[Ieldra]

KamikazeShepard wrote...
I never got a chance to read the spoilers about Miranda, so can anyone fill me in on her involvement?

I recommend requesting membership in this group. You'll find it all there.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'm in a weird spot. Certainly, the size of her role is disappointing. One apparent omission is nigh unforgivable. But I recognize the woman in the leaks as Miranda, and the omissions are so easy to fix that I'm genuinely excited to fix them. So, a mixed bag generally expressing itself as mild disappointment. Can you write fanfic for a game not even out yet?

I'm going with the idea that the Quantum Entanglement Communicator is going to be how we interact with Miranda for the majority of the game. It's a perfect storytelling device that allows Shepard to interact with a character without needing to be face-to-face or using email.

That's right. But you can do only so much without personal presence. Cinematic scenes like we've become used to in the ME games almost require it. At the moment I fear that we won't get a romance scene. That would be a severe disappointment.

All in all, things appear to be heading this way: two major disappointments, one unforgivable omission and several big question marks, but it's the Miranda we love for the most part (one of the big question marks here, though) and there appears to be significant interaction within the constraints of a limited role (there might even be more than with other temps). And as one other character shows, it could be so much worse.  The big question marks, the details we don't know and the possibility that both some of the good stuff and some of the bad stuff might not make it into the final version have the potential to turn her presence into something limited in size but but awesome, or to ruin things altogether.

There's one other thing: I've come to suspect that we were fighting Miranda's writer(s) from day one, emphasizing aspects of her they didn't want emphasized and exactly not appreciating those they wanted appreciated, in almost everything but the romantic content. I'm wondering if it will be possible to have a chat with her writer(s) (Weekes?) when this is all over to see if this is indeed true.

@jtav:
Yes, the omissions are easy to fix. Which means that they should fix them in the game! That's what the delayed release can be used for!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 novembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[Boilrig]

From this, I think we should just remember Miranda of who she was in Mass Effect 2, and what we wanted her to be in ME3, only if things don't go our way.

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm going with the idea that the Quantum Entanglement Communicator is going to be how we interact with Miranda for the majority of the game. It's a perfect storytelling device that allows Shepard to interact with a character without needing to be face-to-face or using email.

It should be noted that the brief conversation that the player can apparently have with Miranda at the very end of the game also appears to be long-distance. This suggests there is no romance scene with Miranda in the game, which would be consistent with the other ME2-specific LI characters.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[Ieldra]

Boilrig wrote...
From this, I think we should just remember Miranda of who she was in Mass Effect 2, and what we wanted her to be in ME3, only if things don't go our way.

That's the good thing: I'm fairly sure I won't have to disown ME3's Miranda.

[JosephDucreux]

Quole wrote...
I am asking a legit question. Do i accuse you of being a troll when you do the same thing to Tali? Funny how you can only discuss certain things in these threads regarding the character without everyone calling you a troll.

Also, the problem with your line of reasoning is that I have not done the same thing that you do to Miranda to Tali...yet.

Back on topic.

While the QEM is all nice and allows us to communicate with Miranda in 1080p glory, it's just going to be sorely lacking if she isn't there physically. For example, you're in a long distance phonecall with your wife who's overseas. Is it as fulfilling as satisfying as talking to her in person?

[S.A.K]

I am surprised there is so little about Miranda in the leak. Specially because she was a major character in ME2 and had the least chance of dying by the end. Maybe the script is just unfinished for her part.

[flemm]

JosephDucreux wrote...

While the QEM is all nice and allows us to communicate with Miranda in 1080p glory, it's just going to be sorely lacking if she isn't there physically. For example, you're in a long distance phonecall with your wife who's overseas. Is it as fulfilling as satisfying as talking to her in person?

Well, no, definitely not. It would ok as a way of working in a couple of extra convos early in the game, but it's a pale shadow of real interaction at best, especially at the end of the game.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

While the QEM is all nice and allows us to communicate with Miranda in 1080p glory, it's just going to be sorely lacking if she isn't there physically. For example, you're in a long distance phonecall with your wife who's overseas. Is it as fulfilling as satisfying as talking to her in person?

Well, no, definitely not. It would ok as a way of working in a couple of extra convos early in the game, but it's a pale shadow of real interaction at best, especially at the end of the game.

I still can't bring myself to believe Bioware won't give us a face to face romance scene. Can they really have that little respect for the fans of their games?

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
I still can't bring myself to believe Bioware won't give us a face to face romance scene. Can they really have that little respect for the fans of their games?

Believe it. It's quite clear from the leak, and quite consistent for all the ME2-specific LI characters.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
I still can't bring myself to believe Bioware won't give us a face to face romance scene. Can they really have that little respect for the fans of their games?

Believe it. It's quite clear from the leak, and quite consistent for all the ME2-specific LI characters.

This isn't a good monday then. I'm still hungover and Bioware seem to be on a mission to crush all my faint  hopes about this game.

[Ticktank]

Not a Miranda fan, but I've been reading through the thick spoiler files several times now. Assuming they're even half true/solidified, you guys gotta rage harder if you want more RESPECTABLE screentime for Miranda.

[Dr. Doctor]

I don't think that BW is going to completely screw over people who have an ME2 LI. It's not going to be: "You have ME2 LI? NO ROMANCE FOR YOU!" While admittedly some romances are most likely going to have a bittersweet ending (such as Thane's or Jacob yet again pulling defeat from the jaws of victory) that doesn't mean that it will be the case for all of the romance arcs.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, the omissions are easy to fix. Which means that they should fix them in the game! That's what the delayed release can be used for!

They're delaying the release? Is this confirmed?

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
They're delaying the release? Is this confirmed?

No, it was already delayed once (originally slotted for sometime this fall, I believe).

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah, 3 minutes of Googling turned up nothing. That delay happened in the summer though so it wouldn't have anything to do with the leak. However that is the impression I got from that line. I would fully support a delay at this point since it would discredit the leak or at least stop everyone from taking it as inevitable.