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[cbutz]

If the leaks are as bad for the ME-2 Specific characters and LIs, that warrant massive rage, I do not see it yet. If it is it must be contained within their respective fan threads and not spilling into the main forums. I suppose that is also due to must people not reading the leaks or are going with the wait and see approach.

As for the rollercoster being down, perhaps Vertigo will grace us with his prescence and reveal some more spoilers that would bring the rollercoster back up.

Modifié par cbutz, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[MisterJB]

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I requested this from a very generous girl who goes by the name of K-Laine on deviantart.
http://k-laine.deviantart.com/

[flemm]

Nice pic, JB, thanks for posting!

[CrutchCricket]

cbutz wrote...

If the leaks are as bad for the ME-2 Specific characters and LIs, that warrant massive rage, I do not see it yet. If it is it must be contained within their respective fan threads and not spilling into the main forums. I suppose that is also due to must people not reading the leaks or are going with the wait and see approach.

As for the rollercoster being down, perhaps Vertigo will grace us with his prescence and reveal some more spoilers that would bring the rollercoster back up.

Extreme emotional response to leak has gone down since last week. As for revealing even more, you'd be surprised how many would still cling to their pesimism.

At this point it isn't even about optimism/pessimism for me anymore. It's more to do with the fact that a) people take the leak as set in stone (or if they don't their doubt is negligible at best), discussion is now dominated by the leak and c) however careful people are about it, details may still slip for those that don't want to know.

As flemm pointed out there's a sort of natural inevitablility of all this happening and I can't really fault anyone for it. But that does limit how much I can contribute and from there stems my frustration.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:12 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

At this point it isn't even about optimism/pessimism for me anymore. It's more to do with the fact that a) people take the leak as set in stone (or if they don't their doubt is negligible at best), discussion is now dominated by the leak and c) however careful people are about it, details may still slip for those that don't want to know.

Well, the reality is the leak gives us a pretty good look at how the game was shaping up probably not too long ago. Much detail is missing, and it's true that some things may have been added or changed. But there's definitely cause for concern.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

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I requested this from a very generous girl who goes by the name of K-Laine on deviantart.
http://k-laine.deviantart.com/

I think she is a user here. Asakawa, but we call her Rach!:happy:

Anyway...MINE! *downloads pic<3*

[Prudii Aden]

K-laine isn't Asakawa - she's got her own page on DA - http://asakawa.deviantart.com, which has a few bits like the one below...

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 14 novembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Well, the reality is the leak gives us a pretty good look at how the game was shaping up probably not too long ago. Much detail is missing, and it's true that some things may have been added or changed. But there's definitely cause for concern.

Can't argue with this, it does give cause for concern. Doesn't stop me from wishing the leak never existed or wanting Bioware to completely invalidate it somehow. This is an argument from emotion and I hate making them. But looking back at the last week, for all my optimism and arguments for hope the leak was still sapping my enjoyment not just of ME3 as a concept but of posting on here as well. I'm still looking forward to the game but it is undeniably harder for me to participate on here now.

[JeffZero]

I really do feel bad for those legions of fans who have been largely spoiled by what is, by and large, quite likely to be a (blurry) picture of the game in its full state. I've managed to avoid most of the spoilers, only dabbling in a few (I inquired about Miranda and Jacob, and asked for confirmation on something squadmate-roster-related) and I'm cutting back on my BSN time with each passing day. Soon enough I'll probably be a fading memory for several weeks.

I only hope that those who have been spoiled feel as content as possible with the ordeal. Obviously, opinions on that will be incredibly mixed.

I echo your sentiment, though, Cricket -- I wish the leak never happened.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Can't argue with this, it does give cause for concern. Doesn't stop me from wishing the leak never existed or wanting Bioware to completely invalidate it somehow. This is an argument from emotion and I hate making them. But looking back at the last week, for all my optimism and arguments for hope the leak was still sapping my enjoyment not just of ME3 as a concept but of posting on here as well. I'm still looking forward to the game but it is undeniably harder for me to participate on here now.

Well, they can't deny it because most/a lot of it is true. 

I definitely understand your frustration... I'm of mixed feelings about the leak itself (by which I mean the fact that it happened). But it certainly tends to set the boundaries of speculation.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:09 .

[jtav]

Well for those of us who are disappointed, would you rather know now or March? I'd rather know now. And there's still much to enjoy.

[CrutchCricket]

Denial isn't the only option. They could push back and completely re-evaluate/rework the story. A strong argument for accepting the leak is that there isn't enough time to change everything (not sure about that but whatever). Valve did it with Half-Life 2 and it succeeded beautifully. The only reason I'm not lobbying Bioware to do this is because I don't think I have enough grounds to ask that (and have nearly zero chance of succeeding)

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Well for those of us who are disappointed, would you rather know now or March? I'd rather know now. And there's still much to enjoy.

March actually. For better or worse the final product is just that, final. Love it or hate it, how long can you rant about it? You'll rage but eventually, you'll accept what it is and either go with it or abandon it. But now it's shrouded in ambiguity, giving you grief but with none of the closure.

I know this sounds weird coming from me since I was arguing for this ambiguity as a good thing. But potential can cut deeper than reality I think. Right now you have two options: either this leak causes you unnecessary grief or offers false promise depending on whether you like what you see. But each option is worse than actually having the game in front of you. If it looks bad now but is good later what was the point of going through all this crap now?  And if it looks good now but turns out to be **** later, you simply fall from higher. Ultimately the final game is one event, and only one possible disappointment. The leak so far is a second, even if worst-case is off the table.

Believe me the fact that there is still much to enjoy is the reason I'm still here. If this was simply "Miranda- the Game" I might've been long gone by now. Not because the leak is true and horrible and destroys Miranda. But because it's just caused too much trouble for her fans (of which I am a part).

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[jtav]

I prefer to know now. Grief, rage, and disappointment processed by March and I can purchase or not.

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

Obviously I'm out of the loop, but why are people so suddenly concerned about the game? what's been going on? What has bioware done to Miranda?

[flemm]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Obviously I'm out of the loop, but why are people so suddenly concerned about the game? what's been going on? What has bioware done to Miranda?

It appears that she will not be in the game much, basically, with many things fans would like to see apparently missing entirely, such as squad presence, a romance scene and one other very important scene.

The mission in which she participates is apparently a mixed bag, with some good moments and some more questionable ones.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[cbutz]

So much for "large role" then.. oh well. Still gonna  enjoy the game and really look forward to it, there is alot of things I look forward to the game and this is not game breaking, although my canon shep would have loved to have spent more  time shooting up reaper agents with his canon li the world will still spin.  Like many I'll see what the main game holds, if what is being predicted happens I'll go " oh thats dissapointing " and wish they would ahve done more but it won't prevent me from enjoying the game. Who knows we all might be pleasently surprised.

Modifié par cbutz, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[flemm]

cbutz wrote...

So much for "large role" then..

That comment would seem to have been misleading, to say the least.

[CrutchCricket]

I don't know. I can already feel it starting again so I will attempt to steer clear from talking about the leak.

In other news I did Reaper IFF to SM on a new playthrough the other day and I found Miranda, Tali and my Infiltrator to be pretty good at taking down Husks. Combat drone for distraction, Heavy Incinerate and Slam for Abominations and Husks that got too close and Assassination Cloak/Widow for Scions. There are probably more effective strategies but I was very satisfied that not one of us even lost shields (unless a Scion got a lucky Shockwave in- which happened once).

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:52 .

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

flemm wrote...

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Obviously I'm out of the loop, but why are people so suddenly concerned about the game? what's been going on? What has bioware done to Miranda?

It appears that she will not be in the game much, basically, with many things fans would like to see apparently missing entirely, such as squad presence, a romance scene and one other very important scene.

The mission in which she participates is apparently a mixed bag, with some good moments and some more questionable ones.

Well that's....Odd. 

I was under the impression that given her role in Cerberus, her actions in ME 2 and the ability to romance her along with her to leaving Cerberus at the end= Major Character or at least plot development.

A strange move by Bioware, i would of thought that she would (at least) be an essential ally in regards to Cerberus and TIM. Her knowlege would be invaluable in my opinion. Well it may yet change for her and any way there is after all at least four months until the game comes out. It could turn out to be better than we think.  Perhaps. 

Modifié par The Everchosen of Chaos, 14 novembre 2011 - 05:57 .

[flemm]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...
Well that's....Odd. 

I was under the impression that given her role in Cerberus, her actions in ME 2 and the ability to romance her and for her to leave Cerberus at the end= Major Character or at least plot development.

A strange move by Bioware, i would of thought that she would (at lest) be an essential ally in regards to Cerberus and TIM. Her knowlege would be invaluable in my opinion. Well it may yet change for her and any way there is after all at least four months until the game comes out. It could turn out to be better than we think.  Perhaps. 

Her mission does seem to have plot significance if she's alive (covered by a stand-in, essentially, if she's dead). That is one of the bright spots.

Her knowledge of Cerberus is not really exploited, except perhaps to a small extent in her mission.

As for it turning out better than it appears, well, we'd all like to think that. Problem is that there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room, the way it's set up, barring drastic rewrites. There are probably a couple of adjustments that could be made without too much reworking. Maybe.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 06:09 .

[Skullheart]

Mmm... With my infiltrator I always go with Miranda and Mordin in the IFF mission.
My inf has tungsten ammo (+70% against armor), the scions don't really last longer.
Again the husks I can use incineration or warp to take the armor down, then finish them with cryo ammo, slam or cryo blast.

[Dr. Doctor]

flemm wrote...
It appears that she will not be in the game much, basically, with many things fans would like to see apparently missing entirely, such as squad presence, a romance scene and one other very important scene.

The mission in which she participates is apparently a mixed bag, with some good moments and some more questionable ones.

Yet again this is only a rough outlineof the story that we're looking at. We have the basic overview of what is most likely to occur in ME3, but there's still the matter of fine details such as the romance arcs to work on.

For instance, if you were going to tell someone what the story of ME2 was in a nutshell, going over absolutely everything that happens in the game would take a while, you'd most likely talk about Lazarus, recruiting the squad, reference the LM's and then go on to talk about the SM. Most likely you'd say that a romance story arc exists it isn't essential to the main plot.

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Yet again this is only a rough outlineof the story that we're looking at. We have the basic overview of what is most likely to occur in ME3, but there's still the matter of fine details such as the romance arcs to work on.

At the end of the day, that's the issue with the leak: it's actually quite complete as far as the story beats. For example, the romance "arcs" for the ME2 characters are there, though that is perhaps not always an appropriate term. Basically, you can see how they end and it doesn't involve a romance scene in the case of any of the ME2-specific characters.

It's not just that the romance material is missing. That would be relatively easy to shrug off.

Modifié par flemm, 14 novembre 2011 - 06:52 .

[jtav]

Yeah, there's something we figured as far back as May we must get for Miranda and it's absent, with actual evidence that we won't be getting it.