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[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Right, which is fine. However, the line is ambiguous enough to allow for the other interpretation, that Miranda has yet to embrace her gifts. What I'm saying is: the line would be fine in and of itself, but, considered as part of a larger set of lines and scenes, I would like Miranda's perspective to tilt one way and not the other.

:huh:Confused.

Wouldn't either of the lines imply that she has accepted her gifts already? And really isn't the dilemma accepting them for herself/ as her own? Recall the line:

"All I can take credit for are my mistakes".

Her problem seems to be not accepting ownership for what she has and to some extent relinquishing that ownership to her father. Therefore the strongest way she could not only break from her father but make peace with her own state is to deny his ownership and claim it for herself.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Wouldn't either of the lines imply that she has accepted her gifts already? And really isn't the dilemma accepting them for herself/ as her own? Recall the line:

"All I can take credit for are my mistakes".

Her problem seems to be not accepting ownership for what she has and to some extent relinquishing that ownership to her father. Therefore the strongest way she could not only break from her father but make peace with her own state is to deny his ownership and claim it for herself.

Well, no, I don't think so, not directly.

Original proposed second version is:

"These gifts you gave me, they're not who I am."

I could imagine a scenario where that line is primarily denying her father's ownership of her (as you propose), but also one where she is distancing herself from the enhancements themselves. Other lines could clarify that, or cause one interpretation to be more plausible than the other.

Modifié par flemm, 15 novembre 2011 - 05:47 .

[CrutchCricket]

I see what you're getting at now. And yes it would need other lines to push it in one direction or another.

Hmm. The fact that I didn't even see that as a possibility is telling of how off that would seem to me if she meant it that way.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 15 novembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Ieldra]

Imagined part of a conversation between Miranda and her father:

Mr. Lawson: "I gave you your gifts. You would be nothing without me."
Miranda: "I've done many things with the gifts you gave me. Some of them were mistakes, some of them successes. Some of them I couldn't have done were I not what you made me. So...thanks, for that much, if for nothing else."
Miranda: "But that's as far as my obligation goes. I did all this, not you. I did this because I wanted it, not because you wanted it. You do not own me. You never did."
Mr Lawson: "I know you, Miranda. You always wanted to work for something meaningful. Can't you see that this is it?"
Miranda: "I choose my cause, not you. And it's not yours."

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 novembre 2011 - 07:01 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
"Where would you take Miranda for a date?"

Realized I hadn't answered this. My Shep's a spacer. Planets are just big things you stand on. And *CHEESE alert!* the essence of what is Miranda is as brilliant as the brightest star and too heavenly for any common dustball to contain. /*CHEESE*
Plus I like staying in.

So everyone gets kicked off the Normandy for shore leave. EDI can run the ship. On second thought keep Joker in case of emergency where pro flight skills are needed. But he's contained to cockpit. I find the most beautiful celestial object known to organic minds and park the Normandy beside it. Dinner (hire prestigious chef and/or wait staff) in one of the observation decks (refitted with appropriate furniture and decoration), music that is romantic but also accompanies the magnificence of space, and much<3<3<3

I'm sorry, but I must also add:

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:20 .

[Beard_of_Bees]

^^ ooohhh, I like! I like a lot! I will even ignore the cheese.
Although I would not take Joker. He would buzz in with some info just as you were making your move. Let EDI handle the ship.

Alternatively I would take her to Omega, in a dingy corner of Afterlife.  Just to give her  a hand showering afterwards.

[AstronautN7]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AstronautN7 wrote...



@ San Diego Comic Con I asked Casey Hudson personally, while waiting to play the ME3 demo, if Yvonne Strahovski would be facing/voicing Miranda Lawson again in ME3, to which he replied  "Yes, she'll be back".

Is this true?! No lies??!

Yes Casey told me that.
As I wrote a couple of post earlier, I can't guarantee it will happen, but all those indications point to, that it will.
Also I don't think Casey Hudson would lie about it , since what would he gain from it?

There were a bunch of other ME fans with me there, no idea if they're on BSN, none of them was particullary fond of Miss Lawson and they weren't into much talking generally, being excited/nervous awaiting to get their hands on the demo and playing/posing around with the inflatable omniblades.

[Prudii Aden]

Beard_of_Bees wrote...
Alternatively I would take her to Omega, in a dingy corner of Afterlife.  Just to give her  a hand showering afterwards.

Not a bad plan. My canon (Spacer) Shep would organise a day of outdoors activities (white water rafting) followed by dinner at a very private restaurant. Perhaps helping out with the showering between the activities and dinner.

[CrutchCricket]

Hold the presses friends, this ain't over yet!

Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.eurogamer...o-leaked-script

Found this on the Liara thread after someone else found it on the Kaidan thread. If this is genuine I think I will ask all of Bioware to marry me. No but seriously. I thought attempting to contact Bioware and solicit changes was a gigantic waste of time. It might very well still be. But hey if they're saying they're officially open to it why not? I still don't want to get into the details of the leak. But once I figure out the best way to go about it I will contact Bioware and encourage as much change as I can, not just for Miranda but for everything feasible.  I want that leak completely destroyed, invalidated to the point of it being less than a bad dream. If there's an avenue open to it I'm taking it, even if it leads nowhere.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:14 .

[jtav]

Well, much of the leak is good, even for Miranda. There are only one or two points that are driving me completely crazy.

[flemm]

While the details of the article suggest that really only tweaks and minor adjustments are occurring (which makes sense), there's certainly no harm in tweeting a dev or two and asking for more Miranda, or whatever else you want.

Modifié par flemm, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:22 .

[cbutz]

There is a thread where peoples are discussing it, even a Bioware person popped in, Jessica, http://social.biowar...index/8701407/3 take it for what you will.

[CrutchCricket]

To be honest it's the leak's credibility and perceived inevitability I want blown out of the water. So we can all move on to something else.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

To be honest it's the leak's credibility and perceived inevitability I want blown out of the water. So we can all move on to something else.

Yes, I know...   but I actually read the article



Just messin' with you

Modifié par flemm, 15 novembre 2011 - 10:25 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Yes, I know...   but I actually read the article



Just messin' with you

Yeah I'm a little rushed and I didn't digest every paragraph. And I didn't need an official statement to inform me that the script is still in progress. Say what you will but I don't buy the "95% in final" idea that others on this thread do. But the possibility that they're open to feedback is just too good to pass up. But it doesn't have to be just me. Perhaps we can draft some requests on behalf of fans from the Miranda thread. Would people be open to that?

[CrutchCricket]

Jessica Merizan wrote...
The game is not done by anyone's definition. Let's end the conspiracy theories that keep popping up on threads.

On Nov. 1st Casey tweeted that they were reviewing romance plots.
https://twitter.com/...418601369513985

Nov. 10-11th senior writers are still writing in game content.
https://twitter.com/...858546188795904
https://twitter.com/...192015297196033

It's called crunch for a reason.

As
far as feedback goes, I can personally attest to the fact that
forums/facebook/twitter are monitored and sentiment is reported (by me
and other awesome people on our community team). Feedback is absolutely
critical to game development, as I've said here,
and you should continue giving feedback in a civil and constructive
manner with good intentions. No one's going to take someone seriously
that spews hate and argumentative behavior. We have really exemplary
community members here and I want you to know that we are in fact
listening.

...

[/i]I should go.
-Jess ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

Quote from Jess from the forum cbutz just linked.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Perhaps we can draft some requests on behalf of fans from the Miranda thread. Would people be open to that?

Sure, absolutely, I've already drafted mine:

More screentime for Miranda and interaction with her.

A culmination to the Cerberus aspect of her story arc, preferably involving TIM.

Miranda does not need rescuing and takes an active role in her mission(s) to the maximum degree possible.

A romance scene (seriously, wtf?).

Miranda comes to terms with her genetic enchancements.

She defends/justifies/repents or otherwise explains her past involvement with Cerberus and how her goals have changed, if they have changed.

Miranda does not end the game in limbo but has a clear purpose going forward, preferably in a way that allows her to contribute directly to the final battle. 

Not sure you could fit that in a tweet, but it's there if the devs want to read it

For your tweet, you could just say, "More Miranda please." That's more or less what mine was like

Modifié par flemm, 15 novembre 2011 - 11:03 .

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Perhaps we can draft some requests on behalf of fans from the Miranda thread. Would people be open to that?

Sure, absolutely, I've already drafted mine:

More screentime for Miranda and interaction with her.

A culmination to the Cerberus aspect of her story arc, preferably involving TIM.

Miranda does not need rescuing and takes an active role in her mission(s) to the maximum degree possible.

A romance scene (seriously, wtf?).

Miranda comes to terms with her genetic enchancements.

She defends/justifies/repents or otherwise explains her past involvement with Cerberus and how her goals have changed, if they have changed.

Miranda does not end the game in limbo but has a clear purpose going forward, preferably in a way that allows her to contribute directly to the final battle. 

Not sure you could fit that in a tweet, but it's there if the devs want to read it

For your tweet, you could just say, "More Miranda please." That's more or less what mine was like

I like what you've added, Flemm.  May I add a few  ideas to the list...

More flirting or teasing between Shepard & Miranda, please.

Miranda's infertility to be discussed.  Can it be reversed or cured?  Some deep conversation with Miranda and Shepard talking about it.  If Miranda actually tells Shepard that is.  I have a feeling she might but that could be me just hoping this is discussed/resolved.

Can Shepard pop the ultimate question?  I know, I know, some hate the topic of marriage but if it's given as a choice to the fans that want it, why not?  It would be nice.  You could impliment it like the renegade kiss option was?  Kiss her... but not in a cheesy way... Something romantic!  Maybe Miranda does it? 


Edit: 

Oh... some of this already mentioned in my previous posts... More about Oriana, what she is like?  Who Miranda's father is?  And why he did all the **** he did to them... chasing them and stuff.  Does he have any regrets or is he really an ****!   I'm sure this will come about but just wanted to add it just in case.  

Modifié par enayasoul, 16 novembre 2011 - 12:17 .

[Skullheart]

Marriage, seriously?
I was thinking in some banter of that...

Miranda: Shepard, What is this?
Shepard: My mother's engagement ring. She gave it to me when I was in the Orizaba.
Miranda: Wait... Shepard, I...
Shepard: I'm not proposing Miri. Just keep it for me.
Miranda: Keep it?
Shepard: Yeah, keep it until you beg me to propose you.
Miranda: With that plan you're gonna die single, Commander.
Shepard: *kiss Miranda* No, I won't.

[jtav]

That's cute.

I definitely see them getting married, if only to give her an excuse to drop her surname.

[enayasoul]

Skullheart wrote...

Marriage, seriously?
I was thinking in some banter of that...

Miranda: Shepard, What is this?
Shepard: My mother's engagement ring. She gave it to me when I was in the Orizaba.
Miranda: Wait... Shepard, I...
Shepard: I'm not proposing Miri. Just keep it for me.
Miranda: Keep it?
Shepard: Yeah, keep it until you beg me to propose you.
Miranda: With that plan you're gonna die single, Commander.
Shepard: *kiss Miranda* No, I won't.

This is cute. 

[Dr. Doctor]

I was just thinking, if Miranda is a known Cerberus operative wouldn't she be taken into custody the minute she stepped onboard the Normandy? Perhaps that's the reason why she isn't a permanant squad member, it would seriously hinder her abillity to help fight the Reapers if she was a prisoner of the Alliance.

[jtav]

Not necessarily. Highlight for spoilers.

She's apparently offered to help the Alliance in some capacity. They've agreed.

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I was just thinking, if Miranda is a known Cerberus operative wouldn't she be taken into custody the minute she stepped onboard the Normandy? Perhaps that's the reason why she isn't a permanant squad member, it would seriously hinder her abillity to help fight the Reapers if she was a prisoner of the Alliance.

Well, bringing her on board would be significant and doubtless cause a bit of a ruckus, but given what's at stake, and what she could potentially bring to the table as far as Cerberus is concerned, I think it would totally make sense for her to be there, at least for a significant chunk of the story. Speaking only in abstract terms, of course.

Modifié par flemm, 16 novembre 2011 - 01:57 .

[Shepherd10]

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but there may yet be hope for us Mirifans; even if it means another possible delay. So I would definitely agree with the previous comments about giving them your feedback about Miranda's role. http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1212599p1.html