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[jtav]

She hasn't been reduced to emails. I can't say more without spoilers.

I don't think Miranda or anyone else knew about the artifact. She admits herself that she knows little more than Shepard when it comes to TIM.

[flemm]

alperez wrote...
I think a lot of the Miranda/father issues are dealt with in Miranda's case, she knows who and what he is and what he's capable of so even with what he does in me3 its no real surprise or betrayal, wheras TIM's actions are both and even worse because like i said i believe in Tim, Miranda found the father she always wanted, so the betrayal is much more cutting.

Agreed. Miranda's father being an oppressive figure has always been a given for her, but TIM and Cerberus represented freedom from that and a cause she believed in. So, it's worse in a lot of ways.

Modifié par flemm, 19 novembre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Ieldra]

Here's an old piece of fanart by ConnorMaxon aka our old thread regular Strikor2115. Some of you might not have seen it yet. His deviantart page is worth a look.



Hmm....appears I'm down to posting pictures for now. Inspiration failure for intelligent discussion or banter. alperez, your last post is interesting. I'll get back to it when I feel up to it.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm....appears I'm down to posting pictures for now. Inspiration failure for intelligent discussion or banter. alperez, your last post is interesting. I'll get back to it when I feel up to it.

I'm cool with the pictures. It's been quite the rollercoaster ride this past couple of weeks...

So we could probably use a little down time

[jtav]

Still working on that fanfic. You guys want more or should I wait until it's finished and polished?

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Still working on that fanfic. You guys want more or should I wait until it's finished and polished?

 
Your call. I'd be more than happy to read it whenever.

[Pwnisher]

I haven't read any spoilers for mass effect 3, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Miranda a good role in the final game, especially with Bioware listening to the fans now that the spoilers were leaked.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Still working on that fanfic. You guys want more or should I wait until it's finished and polished?

I'll read whatever you write, whenever you choose to post it.

And...this needs to be on this page:

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@Bioware:
Miranda's Cerberus story arc needs closure. Cerberus defined her entire adult life. Why she stayed so long, why she was so dedicated to them to rise high in their ranks, what human advancement means to her, and how she feels about TIM's betrayal, all that needs to be explained. Without it her story would be incomplete. She should be present at *spoiler*. Details see here.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 novembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[flemm]

Another thing I'm going to bring back into the thread regarding Miranda in ME3, which I think is as important as some closure of her Cerberus story, is she really needs to not end up in limbo with nothing to do.

She needs some type of clear purpose moving forward, preferably one that allows her to contribute drectly to the endgame and the final battle.

Modifié par flemm, 19 novembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

Another thing I'm going to bring back into the thread regarding Miranda in ME3, which I think is as important as some closure of her Cerberus story, is she really needs to not end up in limbo with nothing to do.

She needs some type of clear purpose moving forward, preferably one that allows her to contribute drectly to the endgame and the final battle.

I certainly want her to have a physical/hands on presence in the end game. However i think in some ways i think i prefer the idea of her being a free agent than having a singular mapped out future purpose.

[Ieldra]

wright1978 wrote...

flemm wrote...
Another thing I'm going to bring back into the thread regarding Miranda in ME3, which I think is as important as some closure of her Cerberus story, is she really needs to not end up in limbo with nothing to do.

She needs some type of clear purpose moving forward, preferably one that allows her to contribute drectly to the endgame and the final battle.

I certainly want her to have a physical/hands on presence in the end game. However i think in some ways i think i prefer the idea of her being a free agent than having a singular mapped out future purpose.

I like that she's a free agent unaffiliated to any faction now that Cerberus has gone off the deep end. But I don't want her hanging in limbo near the end of the game. She needs to continue her story into the endgame and contribute to the big picture. It's what she'd do, after all. Especially if she doesn't join us.

As for after the game....well, I'm hoping for epilogues, varied according to the choices we make in conversations.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 novembre 2011 - 05:04 .

[wright1978]

[quote]Ieldra2 wrote...

I certainly want her to have a physical/hands on presence in the end game. However i think in some ways i think i prefer the idea of her being a free agent than having a singular mapped out future purpose.[/quote]
I like that she's a free agent unaffiliated to any faction now that Cerberus has gone off the deep end. But I don't want her hanging in limbo near the end of the game. She needs to continue her story into the endgame and contribute to the big picture. It's what she'd do, after all. Especially if she doesn't join us.

As for after the game....well, I'm hoping for epilogues, varied according to the choices we make in conversations.

[/quote]

Yeah ideally i'd want varied epilogues where characters took off in different directions based on the choices made during the games. Guess a bit of my faith that in Bioware has been knocked. If it is a choice between leaving the situation where i can make up my own head canon of what she'll do over being having a single vision thrust upon me, i'd take the former.

[Ieldra]

You've messed up the quotes, wright.

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

I certainly want her to have a physical/hands on presence in the end game. However i think in some ways i think i prefer the idea of her being a free agent than having a singular mapped out future purpose.

I'm not talking about after the game. That can certainly be left open, or it could be handled in an epilogue, if there is one.

I'm talking about in the game. She needs something to do after her mission is over, and she should contribute directly to the endgame, including being physically present.

Modifié par flemm, 19 novembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
I'm talking about in the game. She needs something to do after her mission is over, and she should contribute directly to the endgame, including being physically present.

Let me modify that: we should have a final conversation with her during the endgame. In person. What she'll actually do for the endgame has a better chance of being epic if she's offscreen while she's doing it. They better show the effect though! If these requirements conflict, I'd take the epic contribution in preference.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 novembre 2011 - 06:06 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Let me modify that: we should have a final conversation with her during the endgame. In person. What she'll actually do for the endgame has a better chance of being epic if she's offscreen while she's doing it. They better show the effect though! If these requirements conflict, I'd take the epic contribution in preference.

Having a final conversation with her in person is what I was referring to, yes. She can then be offscreen, after that, of course, if that makes sense for what she is doing.

I don't see any reason, though, given what she appears to be doing, that she couldn't be physically present for the endgame, or at least in the vicinity.

Modifié par flemm, 19 novembre 2011 - 06:11 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...
I'm talking about in the game. She needs something to do after her mission is over, and she should contribute directly to the endgame, including being physically present.

Let me modify that: we should have a final conversation with her during the endgame. In person. What she'll actually do for the endgame has a better chance of being epic if she's offscreen while she's doing it. They better show the effect though! If these requirements conflict, I'd take the epic contribution in preference.

I get the feeling that she'll be involved in the final battle, I'm expecting the final battle to be the sci-fi equivalent of the Battle of Minas Trinth  where the entirety of Shepard's allies come to aid him in the end.

[CrutchCricket]

Wow, glad you guys liked that. Believe it or not that was cut down as I initially had Miranda say a bit more about advancement. Actually I have a bunch more of these going through my head and was going to weave them all into a story of some kind... though general laziness has thus far prevailed. Would there be interest in something like that?

Anyway a few replies to get through here so without further ado:

Ieldra: Regarding TIM I decided to go the route we had hinted at the other day, namely that TIM was a man very much forging his own path through the galaxy much like the Sith in methodology if not in actual beliefs. He had a goal and a vision unrestrained by any morality that he arrived at willingly through his own experiences and reasoning and understanding. However discovery of the Reaper threat forced him to change his plans. Their imminent arrival brought on a sense of desperation and he began making mistakes. The TIM of ME3 will be even farther than this of course, either indoctrinated or otherwise duped into believing the Reapers are the key to victory. So yes he always was completely ruthless.

The idea of a "every operative working for a different Cerberus" just came to me in the course of writing that dialogue. But the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Again I draw parallels to the Sith (and when I say Sith I mean Bane's Order of the Sith Lords, The Rule of Two and not the cookie-cutter empires before it or that atrocity from the Legacy comics) in their layers of deception, contacts and organizations spread over thousands of worlds, each doing something different and believing in something different but only the architect behind it, the Master sees the whole picture. It makes sense to do it this way too as Cerberus would attract so many different types of people. The xenophobes that just hate aliens. The mad scientists. Even people who just want to blow sh!t up. You arrange them in separate cells, give them a slightly different version of the story and bam! they're doing your work and being none the wiser. Hell you could start up a muffin bakery and call it Cerberus and the bakers need never know that their muffins are actually potent weapons against a race of fat kids.

Joking aside, allowing for this derailing of his plan also allows for the hiding of whatever his original goals might have been. And although I suspect ME3 will take this away, I do want the Illusive Man to remain illusive (or elusive) and to retain some of his mystery. At the end of the day I want to say "yeah I see what he did there in regards to the Reapers but what was his plan before that?" We should always wonder about that.

Re: the eyes. Since Shepard's cybernetics can make his glow red I doubt it's that uncommon. And no one else seems to be bothered or curious about them ingame either. So a simple story with common cybernetics would've been enough to tell Miranda, true or not.

alperez: While I believe Miranda might have thought that way (though not consciously. I have an issue with her still needing a father figure) I think it was more mentor-protege than father-daughter. And only on her end. She saw what she wanted to see. TIM had other plans and used her like he used anything else.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 19 novembre 2011 - 07:47 .

[jtav]

Excerpt. Bear with me. This is different from my usual.

A twig snapped, just loud enough for him to hear. Matt turned.

Miranda.

For a moment he could only stare at her. Her father had wanted physical perfection, heedless of the fact that no human was perfect. Her feature was perfectly formed, without so much as an oversized pore to detract from the ideal. He’d been terrified the first time he saw her, only mostly condensed that the woman was indeed human. And perhaps she wasn't. Perhaps she was a goddess. Mere mortals weren’t supposed to raise the dead or survive suicide missions with barely a scratch. Miranda had done all that and more.

She came closer, not speaking, and dozens of small details Matt hadn’t even realized he’d forgotten until the moment came into sudden focus. The translucent vein running down her throat, the subtle variations in skin tone. There were dark spots like bruises under her eyes, and she wore no makeup. That was new. He'd never known Miranda to be anything other than impeccably turned out. The grey and white jacket she wore fit her well enough, but even he could tell it wasn't exactly fashionable. If she was a goddess, she was a haggard one. And yet, her eyes were unchanged: the same brilliant mix of blue and gray that had fascinated him. The color of space, Matt had called them. Miranda had cuffed him on the shoulder and called him a sentimental ass. He still thought it was true.

He was dimly aware that he ought to go to her. That was the way it worked in every movie he had ever seen. The lovers, reunited at last, embraced each other tearfully and with many promises to never be apart again. But he couldn't move. Miranda drew ever closer. The scent of jasmine filled his nostrils for the first time in months, and he could hear her soft breathing.

She smiled at him. It was a strange, crooked smile that seemed as if it should have belonged to another, less troubled woman. Matt had only seen it once before, the first time she’d spoke of Niket. “You’ve caused me quite a bit of trouble, Commander. You better have a good explanation."

Her tone was light and playful. And that, finally, was enough to break the spell. Miranda was here, alive and whole. She wasn’t broken or miserable or any of the thousand others fates he had feared for her. Matt tossed the sketchbook to one side and launched himself at her. She was warm and solid. He could feel the lean muscle through her clothes. Miranda let out an "oof” of surprise as he crushed her to him. Her arms came up stiffly to return the embrace. Matt buried his face in her neck. “Miranda,” he murmured against her.

“Yes, it’s me. I’m here.” Her voice cracked almost imperceptibly on the last word. She drew back and looked him in the face. He’d been studied by Miranda many times as she calculated his value to the mission, whether she could trust him with the knowledge of Oriana, whether he was joking when he promised not to die. He was almost used to it. Almost. She frowned at him. "Your scars are showing." As if to prove it, she traced one finger down the length of his jaw.

"It's been a rough six months." He smiled at her. “But getting better.”

[flemm]

I like that a lot, jtav. It's true it's different from your usual style, which I also like, but not in a bad way. Feel free to post the continuation when you get around to it!

Modifié par flemm, 19 novembre 2011 - 08:53 .

[Ieldra]

Nice reunion scene, jtav. Unusual indeed, but I like it just as much as your usual style. And particular to your stories of Matt, I like his artist's eye - it makes Miranda all the more real.

[Vertigo_1]

*Throws money at jtav*

More, more!

[Ohei]

jtav, just so you know, I never stop to read fan written snippets in character threads. This time I did.

And it was worth it, so pretty please, keep writing.

[enayasoul]

Jtav, that is simply beautiful writing! You can't stop now! more, more!

Modifié par enayasoul, 19 novembre 2011 - 09:25 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Joking aside, allowing for this derailing of his plan also allows for the hiding of whatever his original goals might have been. And although I suspect ME3 will take this away, I do want the Illusive Man to remain illusive (or elusive) and to retain some of his mystery. At the end of the day I want to say "yeah I see what he did there in regards to the Reapers but what was his plan before that?" We should always wonder about that.

Re: the eyes. Since Shepard's cybernetics can make his glow red I doubt it's that uncommon. And no one else seems to be bothered or curious about them ingame either. So a simple story with common cybernetics would've been enough to tell Miranda, true or not.

Hmm.....are you, perchance, unaware of the fact that we do know how he got his eyes? And that he has been aware of the Reapers - though most of the time in form of some unnamed menace - since 2157? In 2157 he was a partisan in the First Contact War, his real name is Jack Harper, and ME:Evolution tells the tale of how he came to be touched by a Reaper artifact, which brought him into a short mind contact with them and changed his eyes. He knew all the time, and everything he did since then was influenced by the awareness of this threat.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 novembre 2011 - 09:48 .