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[CuseGirl]

i just think its odd that there is clear evidence miranda is one of the most used characters in the game (gameplay wise) and there complete ambiguity about her. from a gameplay standpoint, warp plus overload plus extra health is invaluable. im gonna be hamstrung with tali in the beginning, i never used her in ME2

[Quole]

Which leads me to believe that people are overreacting.

[Dr. Doctor]

On a slightly different note, after dusting off my copy of FreeSpace 2 (really good space sim from 2001) I found a cutscene that I find sums up TIM and the majority of Cerberus rather well.  

[Jessica Merizan]

Hey guys, that Tali thing is incorrect. I've confirmed this with two different writers tonight.

@Quole please don't come on support threads and bash on the character. That's a good way to get in trouble with me. I don't like getting all schoolmarm so don't make me go there.

For everyone else, if you know anything about me (which is completely understandable if you don't) Miranda is my favorite character in the series. I've always wanted to cosplay as her but silly insecurities get in the way. So I'm definitely hoping she's a squad member or has some kind of prominent role in the game. After spending time with the writing team and devs in general, I know they have good reasons for doing things and I trust they'll treat Miranda with care (all the IP really).

But we can sit on pins and needles together

[Ticktank]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Hey guys, that Tali thing is incorrect. I've confirmed this with two different writers tonight.

Ms Merizan, you need to be more specific here, because otherwise you're only going to generate more confusion.

Just what is this 'Tali thing' you are referring to that is incorrect?

- That she'll be resurrected in ME3 even if she died in ME2?
- That the developers made her a squadmate to avoid getting rabies from Talimancers?
- That she initially wasn't supposed to be a squadmate in ME3?
- That she's going to be a permanent squadmate?

Please kindly clarify if possible. Thank you.

[Quole]

I have done nothing worse than what anyone else does on the BSN. I was under the impression that these threads were for discussion about the character, not necessarily just support. Not only that but for the most part I have been trying to explain that people are overreacting. Thats what happens when I try to be reasonable I guess. Never again will I try to be nice in any way on the BSN.
While I agree that blatant insults at a character is wrong, people do that all the time, regardless of the thread. So I find it interesting that you are only not allowed to do it in a thread dedicated to that character.

Modifié par Quole, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[Ieldra]

Ticktank wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Hey guys, that Tali thing is incorrect. I've confirmed this with two different writers tonight.

Ms Merizan, you need to be more specific here, because otherwise you're only going to generate more confusion.

Just what is this 'Tali thing' you are referring to that is incorrect?

- That she'll be resurrected in ME3 even if she died in ME2?
- That the developers made her a squadmate to avoid getting rabies from Talimancers?
- That she initially wasn't supposed to be a squadmate in ME3?
- That she's going to be a permanent squadmate?

Please kindly clarify if possible. Thank you.

Well, the thing that got people riled up was that Tali wasn't going to be a team member, but things changed because some fans demanded it. Since we already know Tali's squad status in ME3, and nobody expects she'll beresurrected, it can only be that she referred to.

As for Miranda, I'm not hung up on team member status - Miranda has more reason to be active offscreen than everyone on the core team, after all. But we're worried about characterization, interaction, screen presence, closure of her Cerberus story arc and impact on the big picture. There are concerns about all of these based on the leaked material.

@Quole:
You lost all credit when you got in here saying that you like the smell of crying Mirimancers. People tend to not forget such things.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:21 .

[Quole]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Hey guys, that Tali thing is incorrect. I've confirmed this with two different writers tonight.

Ms Merizan, you need to be more specific here, because otherwise you're only going to generate more confusion.

Just what is this 'Tali thing' you are referring to that is incorrect?

- That she'll be resurrected in ME3 even if she died in ME2?
- That the developers made her a squadmate to avoid getting rabies from Talimancers?
- That she initially wasn't supposed to be a squadmate in ME3?
- That she's going to be a permanent squadmate?

Please kindly clarify if possible. Thank you.

Well, the thing that got people riled up was that Tali wasn't going to be a team member, but things changed because fans demanded it. Since we already know Tali's squad status in ME3, and nobody expects she'll beresurrected, it can only be that she referred to.

As for Miranda, I'm not hung up on team member status - Miranda has more reason to be active offscreen than everyone on the core team, after all. But we're worried about characterization, interaction, screen presence, closure of her Cerberus story arc and impact on the big picture. There are concerns about all of these based on the leaked material.

@Quole:
You lost all credit when you got in here saying that you like the smell of crying Mirimancers. People tend to not forget such things.

Oh dont get me wrong, I still do but that is beside the point.

Modifié par Quole, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[Ieldra]

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[Jessica Merizan]

The "Tali thing" is in reference to Tali being a squadmate (which I honestly don't even know if she is or not and in what capacity) due to fan demand. That is not true and fans of other characters should not feel like their voice hasn't been heard. I hope that clears that up.

Quole, any time you see someone being rude, trolling, or hateful on the BSN message me and I'll take care of it. How other people behave isn't permission for you to do the same. And your excuse about not understanding this thread is flimsy when it has the word "support" in it. Sorry bro.

Yay for Miranda screens

[Quole]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

The "Tali thing" is in reference to Tali being a squadmate (which I honestly don't even know if she is or not and in what capacity) due to fan demand. That is not true and fans of other characters should not feel like their voice hasn't been heard. I hope that clears that up.

Quole, any time you see someone being rude, trolling, or hateful on the BSN message me and I'll take care of it. How other people behave isn't permission for you to do the same. And your excuse about not understanding this thread is flimsy when it has the word "support" in it. Sorry bro.

Yay for Miranda screens

Support AND discussion. Not necessarily one in the same. If I want to talk about a character, be it negative or positive, would the thread dedicated to it not be the place? As well as the place to support that character? I was always under the impression that these character threads were simply a means to reduce the creation of multiple threads on the same character. Granted Im not complaining if what you say is true or not. If it IS true (not allowed), I am glad to know someone is doing something about it because I always felt this wasnt the case.

Modifié par Quole, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[Drone223]

Currently doing Ross Shepard who has a Miranda Romance, like her romance development, it really brings out the good/human side of her, looking foward to the finishing it in ME3

Also love Miranda in her AAP

Modifié par Drone223, 26 novembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[Ticktank]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

The "Tali thing" is in reference to Tali being a squadmate (which I honestly don't even know if she is or not and in what capacity) due to fan demand. That is not true and fans of other characters should not feel like their voice hasn't been heard. I hope that clears that up.

Sincere thanks for the clarification . 

So Tali is a squadmate due to other reasons. Nothing major, but still interested to see if she'll be replaced by someone else as a squaddie if she got spaceboxed in ME2. But you'll probably lose your job if you told me

[Ieldra]

Drone223 wrote...
Currently doing Ross Shepard who has a Miranda Romance, like her romance development, it really brings out the good/human side of her, looking foward to the finishing it in ME3

I must insist that her other side is human, too. I like both aspects of her - the cool and pragmatic operative and the fiercely loyal sister.

Also love Miranda in her AAP

Indeed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 novembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Quole wrote...

Support AND discussion. Not necessarily one in the same. If I want to talk about a character, be it negative or positive, would the thread dedicated to it not be the place? As well as the place to support that character?

Haven't you realized yet that no one wants to talk to you?

Hint: It's because of your obnoxious conduct.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 26 novembre 2011 - 10:30 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And Matt isn't her ex now. I'm working off a continuity where they knew and loved each other years ago. Hmm. How to make it clearer?

We both seem to have a preference for that kind of setup. Lots of interesting fanfic opportunties in such a backstory. But given Miranda's backstory from "Portrait", how will you integrate her father?

BTW, a nice excerpt again.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 novembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
And Matt isn't her ex now. I'm working off a continuity where they knew and loved each other years ago. Hmm. How to make it clearer?

We both seem to have a preference for that kind of setup. Lots of interesting fanfic opportunties in such a backstory. But given Miranda's backstory from "Portrait", how will you integrate her father?

BTW, a nice excerpt again.

I'm really glad you asked that question. All will be revealed in story #4. Though I am performing a small retcon and have Miranda teach Matt under an alias.

[flemm]

Jessica Merizan wrote...
 That is not true and fans of other characters should not feel like their voice hasn't been heard.

Well, true or not, it wasn't a very prudent comment, especially following the story leaks. But whatever, what's done is done.

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for Miranda, I'm not hung up on team member status - Miranda has more reason to be active offscreen than everyone on the core team, after all. But we're worried about characterization, interaction, screen presence, closure of her Cerberus story arc and impact on the big picture. There are concerns about all of these based on the leaked material.

Agreed. Having Miranda on the team for at least part of the game would be very good, but mostly the quality of Miranda's involvement is going to depend on other things. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing many of those things in the leaked script, and that is the real cause for concern, not the status of other characters.

Modifié par flemm, 26 novembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[Ieldra]

I'll take this opportunity to point anyone who's interested to the Miranda spoiler group, which I have now opened to the public for reading again since the general spoiler group is open, too. Discussion there has died down somewhat since everything that can be discussed has been, culminating in our concerns voiced in this post.

As for anything else, apparently we're so starved for discussion topics that all I can do is post a picture....

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'll take this opportunity to point anyone who's interested to the Miranda spoiler group, which I have now opened to the public for reading again since the general spoiler group is open, too. Discussion there has died down somewhat since everything that can be discussed has been, culminating in our concerns voiced in this post.

Well, I'm glad it's open, since we've had a lot of good discussion there on specific topics that we can't really discuss here.

It comes down to how old that leaked script is, and how many things have been added/fixed since then. Unfortunately, that's completely out of our hands.

I guess the total silence on the part of the devs re: Miranda, other than the occasional extremely vague assurance, has never been a very good sign. Prior to the leak it was just a lot easier to ignore that.

Anyway, great pic

Modifié par flemm, 26 novembre 2011 - 05:27 .

[Hillbillyshep]

[quote]Ieldra2 wrote...




That is one beautiful pic, Ieldra.

[Hillbillyshep]

 Hi, is it true that in ME3 Shepard basically is alone like 60% of the game, because we don't have permanent squad members?

 
Casey Hudson:


 Nope - as in ME1 and ME2, you typically choose 2 other characters for your squad out of a larger crew.

as in ME1 and ME2
typically
choose
2 other
larger crew

I´m so glad Casey finally took a break from that "nobody´s permanent"-crap!

Modifié par Hillbillyshep, 26 novembre 2011 - 06:21 .

[Ieldra]

Hillbillyshep wrote...
I´m so glad Casey finally took a break from that "nobody´s permanent"-crap!

It can still be true that nobody is permanent after recruitment. People can die. Some will leave temporarily, some may leave forever.

[flemm]

Agreed. All CH is saying in that tweet is that you take two squad members with you most of the time in ME3, just like before. There's nothing about the same characters being available throughout the game.

Which isn't to say that there aren't what amount to (essentially) permanent team members, but that tweet doesn't really offer anything new on that subject.
The leaked script sure did, though

Modifié par flemm, 26 novembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[alperez]

Jog0907 wrote...

Yes the sb dossier did say that, and I think it does prove my point, he will continue following and trusting shepard even when that can mean him not becoming as succesful as he can be by himself.

Also many me2 squadmates followed
him but only once and once the mission was over they moved on with their lives to
fight the war in other fronts that are also important (shep and the
normandy isnt the only defense against the reapers so their desire to fight them is not dependant on woking in the normandy in order to do so) leaving high loyalty to shep as the reason for continuing to follow him,

In the  case of miranda I see her not being on the normandy not as a lack of loyalty to shep but on not wishing to be interrupted by the acts between game (normandy retaken by the alliance and pretty much grounded for months while shep is imprisoned before the trial) so I see her leaving and not coming back asap as she having started what she considered neccesary to fight cerberus without having to wait months to begin it and being stuck in her own fight even once shep regains control of the normandy

Also I dont
consider it neccesary at any level for a character to be plot relevant
in order to be part of the squad, so we simply disagree on that point.

Sorry it took me a while to respond to this but my computer fried on me.

The SB dossier on Garrus was a lot of people presumed to be foreshadowing, that the comment that he needed to get out from Shepard's shadow in order to truly prove himself was a link to what he may do in me3, however it seems i and others took it wrong or expected the writing to be a bit more complex, than to actually mean they literally we're going to continue with the same arc once again.

Now in terms of squadmates following only for that one singular mission, this is completely true and is totally in keeping with certain squadmates, no one expected Zaeed to return since he was a paid mercenary etc. However it really should also make complete character sense that any particular character would leave, go off and play their own role and when presented with the opportunity to join back up with Shepard and defeat the reapers, wouldn't be able to because of some other role they were playing or because it made no sense in their particular character arc.

When you have the turian homeworld practically devasted but Garrus can still join up with Shepard and you have the Geth and Quarians at war but tali can also do the same it brings into focus their reasoning compared to other characters.

So when you later on meet for example Miranda and she can't or won't join up because she is so badly needed in some other role, yet garrus or Tali feel they are not it presents for me a character conflict that doesn't make sense. We've yet to see the full circumstances surrounding why or how this happens with certain characters, however in the leak it does not come across as anything more than a sidelining of the me2 specific ones in favour of others.

In me2 it made perfect sense why Wrex would not or could not join up, it made less sense that Liara couldn't and this is in essence where the problems may occur or seem to in the leaks, the reasoning why some can and some can't just seems arbitrary and not in keeping with what's happening, the characters or their own personal situations.

So we get in one example Tali and Garrus given everything that's happening with their own people being able to join but others not being able to join because of the role they need to play because of what's happening with their own people, it becomes inconsistent.

For some it works, for others it doesn't imo.

As for whether or not a character with plot relevance needs to be a full squadmate, it can be done that they don't, however when characters with no plot relevance are put on the squad and then the ones with plot relevance or almost taking out of the plot relevant part of their character arc and are also not squadmates it creates an imbalance, which is what i was trying to point out.

So whether we agree to disagree on this point, we can probably agree that plot relevant characters should play a full role in that plotline, something which in the leaks it appears Miranda does not, so when you then add in that Garrus a non plot relevant character plays a larger role, something is not quite right.