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[Ieldra]

Hmm....trying again to embed the image by HydroStrikor. I can't see why it would be removed.



Hellbound555, my answer to you is on the previous page.

@Bioware:
Miranda's Cerberus story arc needs closure. Cerberus defined her entire adult life. Why she stayed so long, why she was so dedicated to them to rise high in their ranks, what human advancement means to her, and how she feels about TIM's betrayal, all that needs to be explained. Without it her story would be incomplete. She should be present at *spoiler location follows* The Illusive Man's base. Details see here and here.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 novembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[Ieldra]

Master Shiori wrote...

Iedra2 wrote...

They shouldn't be surprised that some players don't buy into that "human advancement" = racism = bad thing they appear to have going at Bioware, and connect to the only character who might give "human advancement" a good face.

I don't consider Cerberus' agenda to be bad by default. Certainly, it's methods are questionable, but the overall goals themselves (at least as Miri presented them) are praise worthy.

It's just that Cerberus seems to be suffering from Bioware trying to portray them either incompetent (what with most operations we've seen blowing up in their faces. Project Lazarus and the events of ME: Galaxy excluded) or too morally dubious for people to accept.
I'd say the best solution for Cerberus is to take TIM and his lackeys out of the picture and rebuild the organization under someone more competent, like Miranda.

I'd say the name has to go, too, but yes, I think humanity needs some STG-like organization and Miranda is best positioned to lead it. I wouldn't mind her moving on to something else (like the "The Foundation" scenario in the OP) but even then she'd have a differentiated opinion of her time with Cerberus, something that couldn't be summarized by something as simple as "I've been wrong".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 novembre 2011 - 08:33 .

[CerberusWarrior]

rebuild Cerberus with Miranda I like that .

[Master Shiori]

HydroStrikor wrote...


Hey everyone,
Its Striker (the Miranda artist from after the ME2 launch.) It's been along time! I avoid the forums like the plauge due to spoilers, however, I wanted to drop in and share my latest piece with you all. Enjoy

*snip*

or not...it seems its removing the image. You can check it out in my gallery if you'd like!

http://connormaxon.d...t.com/#/d4h11pb

Awesome image.

Thanks for posting it.

[jtav]

Yeah. We got/are getting screwed. Almost nothing of the character I love is in ME3 is present. No drive or passion beyond the personal. Where's the woman who "believes in what Cerberus stands for' and whose fierce loyalty is balanced by a fiercer pragmatism? This Miranda is safe, uncontroversial and boring. Yes, the romance is nice. But why would I want to romance her? Ash, Liara, and Jack are all beautiful. Ash loves her sisters too. There's nothing in ME3 Miranda I can't find elsewhere. If I can't have my brilliant ambiguous superspy, I'd rather do without. This pale imitation is an insult.

Modifié par jtav, 27 novembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[enayasoul]

To quote Ms. Lawson. "I don't settle for anything but the best." I'm not that worried or bend out of shape like some of you are about Miranda dealing with her personal stuff. I like that she is dealing with it. Yeah, Miranda does say we should focus more on the mission than letting personal fillings interfere but I think the war with the Reapers is bringing out that... we all could die from this. So it's more personal, I think. Not just for Miranda but for every character in ME3. We don't know what's going to happen and they may or may not add what was leaked. You guys are willing to settle for the bare minimum from her or could live with out her. No!!! They may surprise us.

The topics that I hope are covered in ME3 in regards to Miranda:
1) Miranda deals with her father/we finally get to meet the ******.  Meet Oriana
2) Miranda deals with her personal issue of Infertility... does she tell Shep or not?
3) Miranda deals with her former boss... how she feels about Cerberus? And associates still working for TIM. I think everyone wants this.
4) Miranda's romance with Mr. Shepard. Flirty, romantic gestures, love scene?
5) Miranda's contribution to the war efforts.
6) Any witty banter between the Normandy crew/misions would be great!

I think that sums it up.

I just think some are overreacting to the leaked information a little to much but if we tell them a list of what we want covered here. That should be sufficient and let them tell us the story they have for us.

Modifié par enayasoul, 27 novembre 2011 - 12:36 .

[enayasoul]

Modifié par enayasoul, 27 novembre 2011 - 12:35 .

[jtav]

The station is mobile.

[Ticktank]

Guys one of your freaks is spamming Miranda-for-ME3 petitions. Spay him please.

[JosephDucreux]

Ticktank wrote...

Guys one of your freaks is spamming Miranda-for-ME3 petitions. Spay him please.

Thou art going on thine previously proclaimed Mirimancer trolling sortie, eh?

[Ticktank]

Yeah I had to shuffle my character trolling schedule abit after that guy showed up. But it looks like I'll have lots of competition I'd take Iedra's constructive posts over weak petitions anyday.

Modifié par Ticktank, 27 novembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[who would know]

So, guys, any trace of the highly-sought-after Lazarus Conversation? Or is that subplot forever doomed to obscurity?

[flemm]

who would know wrote...

So, guys, any trace of the highly-sought-after Lazarus Conversation? Or is that subplot forever doomed to obscurity?

There seem to be a couple of references to it in the script, that I can recall. There is one conversation between Shepard and Miranda on the subject that is a bit hard to place, as far as where and when it happens.

jtav wrote...
This Miranda is safe, uncontroversial and boring.

I think that's a big risk at this point. In some ways, the person in the script is recognizably Miranda, despite the minimal screentime. I do like that the writers seem to recall that she is a scientist, as well as a super spy. But the edge is gone. She is a relatively bland character in the script.

The edgier aspect of the character needs to come from her "professional" side, which should contrast with the personal stuff that is more obviously endearing.

Modifié par flemm, 27 novembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[jtav]

Say what you like about DA2, at least the writers aren't afraid to create polarizing characters.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Say what you like about DA2, at least the writers aren't afraid to create polarizing characters.

To be fair, they did that with Miranda in ME2, as well as with a few other characters. But it seems they are either unable or unwilling to make characters continue to ride the fence of any moral divide. Mordin, Jack, TIM - and now possibly Miranda. Either they land on the side of the intuitively evil, or on the side of the intuitively good. No thinking required. No potential for conflict. No more......complexity. It appears that parts of the entertainment industry are unable to get out of their ingrained stereotyped thinking, or they believe that "closure" means reduction to simplicity.

What gives me a little hope is that the missing-but-implied-to-be-present parts of Miranda's story are all heavily plot-related. Possibly things weren't quite clear at the time when the leaked version was produced. I can even imagine those parts being written by a different writer.



 


   

[Xilizhra]

I don't think it's that out of character for Miranda to seek out the personal at this point. She's just realized, presumably, that she ran from her father to a group that turned out to be just as bad, and she'd been fooled by it for decades. What does human advancement mean when the advancers are helping the Reapers burn the galaxy? How much that was taught to her was ever true? It's not an easy series of questions, and it doesn't surprise me that she'd seek out that which she can rely on.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
What gives me a little hope is that the missing-but-implied-to-be-present parts of Miranda's story are all heavily plot-related. Possibly things weren't quite clear at the time when the leaked version was produced. I can even imagine those parts being written by a different writer.

All of the above is certainly possible. I guess that would be the "critical path" and so handled by Mac Walters?

The main plausible hope for improvement is that Miranda has something significant going on in the background that will make its presence felt in the endgame, but that hadn't been ironed out yet at the time of the leak. There's definitely something missing there, and the general lack of focus as to what Miranda is actually doing, beyond the personal, stands out as very different from the way the other characters are handled.

Another possibility, I suppose (though this is perhaps more a stretch), is that the "professional" side of things is going to be different depending on a big choice somewhere, such as the CB choice. In which case it might be missing here for other reasons.

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't think it's that out of character for Miranda to seek out the personal at this point. She's just realized, presumably, that she ran from her father to a group that turned out to be just as bad, and she'd been fooled by it for decades. What does human advancement mean when the advancers are helping the Reapers burn the galaxy? How much that was taught to her was ever true? It's not an easy series of questions, and it doesn't surprise me that she'd seek out that which she can rely on.

It's not out of character for the personal to be dealt with, but it is out of character for the other stuff to be ignored. None of the questions you're describing are addressed in the leak. By which I don't mean they aren't resolved (one can imagine that they would be difficult to resolve). I mean they are never raised.

What you are describing (Miranda being faced with a difficult series of questions) is exactly what should be present in the script, but isn't.

For example, has she realized, as you suggest, that Cerberus is not what she believed it to be? Is that bothering her? The problem is: there's no way to tell from the script if any of this has crossed her mind at all.

Modifié par flemm, 27 novembre 2011 - 06:38 .

[Xilizhra]

What you are describing (Miranda being faced with a difficult series of questions) is exactly what should be present in the script, but isn't.

I would be more concerned about this if the script was actually finished.

[flemm]

Xilizhra wrote...
I would be more concerned about this if the script was actually finished.

In the meantime, we can only provide comments on how it can be improved, and what areas should be addressed. Of course, as you say, we are all hoping that these areas are unfinished, or missing from the leak.

[Xilizhra]

Fair enough. I just don't think her actions are necessarily out of character/

[jtav]

The trouble is I heard "it's incomplete" with DAO and DA2 leaks that turned out to be very accurate. While there are clearly bits missing, there's no particular reason for optimism here. And Miranda being indifferent is OOC.

Modifié par jtav, 27 novembre 2011 - 06:47 .

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
Fair enough. I just don't think her actions are necessarily out of character/

What she does is perfectly in character. What she fails to do or care about, that is out of character (again, assuming that the leak is structurally complete, which we all hope will not quite be true).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[MisterJB]

It's a bit hard to retain moral ambiguity when the people you are figthing are so pure, raw evil. No matter what you choose to do, you can always say "At least I didn't set up Sanctuary". Building Cerberus to that was the first mistake.
That Miranda has not joined the Alliance and is willing to work behind their back is a step in the right direction.