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[Costigan_n7]

Hmm, thanks Jebel. I'll try that. I just forgot though that Jack is the only party member not loyal since I sided with Miranda. She might not make it afterall.

I guess it might be time for a third go round.

[Rawke]

Costigan_n7 wrote...

Hmm, thanks Jebel. I'll try that. I just forgot though that Jack is the only party member not loyal since I sided with Miranda. She might not make it afterall.

I guess it might be time for a third go round.

If Jack's not loyal you may wanna try taking her with you to the end fight. Although it may just be enough if the team left to hold the line has the strongest fighters with them (Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed etc.). Had the same situation in my first playthrough.

Modifié par Rawke, 24 juin 2011 - 07:03 .

[MisterJB]

If you bring anyone unloyal with you to the final fight, that person will die. You should leave Jack behind to hold the line with Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed.

[Jebel Krong]

MisterJB wrote...

If you bring anyone unloyal with you to the final fight, that person will die. You should leave Jack behind to hold the line with Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed.

and take any loyal squishies with you (kasumi, thane etc.) to the final fight.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 24 juin 2011 - 07:10 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

So Grunt and Garrus Aren't enough to hold the line? Not even on Insanity?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 juin 2011 - 07:17 .

[PMC65]

Jebel Krong wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Would Miranda make a good Spectre? Personally I think she'd be a more suitable candidate than Ashley.

I think that Ash could make a good Spectre .. the gal saw her whole team go down in a geth attack on Eden Prime and when Shepard & Kaidan arrived, she was ready to go back for more. She was a good marine as noted by her record, was part of the crew that stopped Saren, the geth and saved the council (if optioned). After all, Shepard didn't do it alone. And who knows really what she has accomplished since Shepard "died" (1.5-2 years time). To be honest, the VS has a bigger resume now than Shepard at the start of ME1. She's a survivor, warrior but I am concerned about her diplomatic skills. She can be blunt so we will see how the years have changed her. I was also more blunt years ago until I got into management. Yu grow both as a person and professional through experience.

Would Miranda make a good Spectre? To be honest, I would see her going into politics more than the Spectre program. She has an ability to manage and inspire people of intellect (her crowd) ... not psychos (yes, I'm looking at my buddy Jack ). I don't think she wold want that role either. But if Bioware went that route ... I'm ok. To be honest I'm not making any guesses on what is coming with the characters (major or minor).

NOTE: I like both Miranda & Ash ... and Liara, Tali, etc. Not really into hating any of the crew that had Shepards back. Although I do keep femshep AWAY from Jacob ...     not Jacob's fault (yes, I'm looking at you Bioware!)

ash is a grunt, not elite spectre material. i have to agree with jtav that miranda isn't really, either - miranda is also more of a SB-type & elite project manager than a pan-galactic end-of-the-line saviour/hellbringer.

So was Audie Murphy, the most decorated United States soldier in WWII during twenty-seven months in action in Europe. He received the Medal Of Honor along with 32 additional U.S. and foreign medals and citations, including five from France and one from Belgium. He also came from dirt poor people of Texas and had a 4th grade education (dropped out in the 5th grade). Check out another grunt ... Alvin York of WWI.

Grunts are not a bad thing and Spectre's aren't chosen for their military rank but as noted: “Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.” The VS was part of the team that stopped Saren & the Geth. I wouldn't mind that on my resume.

I have no problem with the VS becoming a human Spectre ... but that is just me. We all have our own opinions & viewpoints in the ME world.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
So Grunt and Garrus Aren't enough to hold the line? Not even on Insanity?

They can hold the line if they're alone. If they have to protect a lot of unloyal squishies that's too much for them and someone will die.

Difficulty level has no influence on team member deaths on the SM

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
So Grunt and Garrus Aren't enough to hold the line? Not even on Insanity?

They can hold the line if they're alone. If they have to protect a lot of unloyal squishies that's too much for them and someone will die.

Difficulty level has no influence on team member deaths on the SM

Oh ok.

[alperez]

Ok late to the discussions as usual, stupid freaking time differences.

Two things i wanted to say regarding some of what's been said since i was last here, in terms of what was said about squadmates and The tweet from casey.

"but nothing's permanent in #ME3 - it's a story of full-scale war, with lots of twists."

To me that line is nothing to with permanent or non permanent squadmembers but more the nature of what's happening in me3. I still think we're getting who they said were permanent squadmembers as exactly that and that line is just basically saying, people can die, things can happen therefore nothing is permanent.

Its imo more political phrasing that fits into everything else they've said regarding squadmembers (someone should do a list of all the lines they've said, look at them all at once and see they're really just variations of the same team).

For example if there were no squadmembers permanent and all rotated in or out of the squad as situations demanded then why say x is permanent in the first place, surely that would be an outright lie that people would pick up on.

To me they're answering questions in a deliberately obtuse and confusing way so as not to say anything more than they want and in the end everything will technically be correct.

As for the discussion regarding Spectre's and whether Miranda is actually better suited than Ash, even though i'm an Ash fan also i have to say her becoming a spectre doesn't make much sense to me personally. Her views, her impassioned defence of all things alliance on horizon just don't fit into someone who wanted or would be requested to be a spectre imo.

Miranda on the other hand fits much more perfectly in this regard even with her views on humanity and other things imo.

[Jebel Krong]

PMC65 wrote...

So was Audie Murphy, the most decorated United States soldier in WWII during twenty-seven months in action in Europe. He received the Medal Of Honor along with 32 additional U.S. and foreign medals and citations, including five from France and one from Belgium. He also came from dirt poor people of Texas and had a 4th grade education (dropped out in the 5th grade). Check out another grunt ... Alvin York of WWI.

Grunts are not a bad thing and Spectre's aren't chosen for their military rank but as noted: “Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.” The VS was part of the team that stopped Saren & the Geth. I wouldn't mind that on my resume.

I have no problem with the VS becoming a human Spectre ... but that is just me. We all have our own opinions & viewpoints in the ME world.

that's fine, but the VS didn't do anything special. at all. shepard ws the leader and he/she's the spectre for that reason - because they're capable of saving the galaxy/being the 1st and last line of defence etc etc. the most the VS did was hide on horizon, so your (nice) example actually fits shepard better than the VS.

[Rawke]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

So Grunt and Garrus Aren't enough to hold the line? Not even on Insanity?

Really depends on the rest of the team. I wouldn't take my chances though. So far I've always been able to get everyone through by taking Miranda and Kasumi/Jack/Mordin/Tali with me to the endfight. Also, send Tali or Mordin back with the survivors. As long as nobody else died before, that should work. This is because the game has certain "defense values" for each character for the SM, and as soon as the combined value of all squaddies left to hold the line is too low, people start dying, starting any unloyal squadmember with the lowest value to the loyal member with the highest value (or something like that). Jack, Kasumi, Mordin etc. all have fairly low defense values, which is why you want to take as many of them out of fates hand as you can - by sending one back with the survivors and taking two or at least one of them with you to the end game. And everybody has to be loyal, or course. Plus you need all upgrades for the SR2, but I guess that's obvious.

[Future_Reaper88]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

So Grunt and Garrus Aren't enough to hold the line? Not even on Insanity?

Actually they are enough to hold the line if everyone one that backs them up is loyal. I have always left Garrus and Wrex I mean Grunt to hold the line and everyone always lives.

[alperez]

Jebel Krong wrote...



that's fine, but the VS didn't do anything special. at all. shepard ws the leader and he/she's the spectre for that reason - because they're capable of saving the galaxy/being the 1st and last line of defence etc etc. the most the VS did was hide on horizon, so your (nice) example actually fits shepard better than the VS.

But since Shepard's persona non grata in some cases, you could argue that you take what you can get.

An example a returning Shepard working with cerberus is not exactly the role model the council or the alliance made dead Shepard out to be so they over inflate the importance of someone who shepard worked with in the events which made Shepard such a hero in the first place.

But since we don't know why the VS. got spectre status (i think it's something we'll be told in me3 and nothing to do with anything we know about the Vs. so far) then using anything the Vs. did with Shepard or anything we already know the Vs. did could in fact be a moot point.

[PMC65]

Jebel Krong wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

So was Audie Murphy, the most decorated United States soldier in WWII during twenty-seven months in action in Europe. He received the Medal Of Honor along with 32 additional U.S. and foreign medals and citations, including five from France and one from Belgium. He also came from dirt poor people of Texas and had a 4th grade education (dropped out in the 5th grade). Check out another grunt ... Alvin York of WWI.

Grunts are not a bad thing and Spectre's aren't chosen for their military rank but as noted: “Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.” The VS was part of the team that stopped Saren & the Geth. I wouldn't mind that on my resume.

I have no problem with the VS becoming a human Spectre ... but that is just me. We all have our own opinions & viewpoints in the ME world.

that's fine, but the VS didn't do anything special. at all. shepard ws the leader and he/she's the spectre for that reason - because they're capable of saving the galaxy/being the 1st and last line of defence etc etc. the most the VS did was hide on horizon, so your (nice) example actually fits shepard better than the VS.

Funny, in my game she was fighting when my Shepard showed up. I don't remember her in a prefab with the researchers or colonists or behind crates. She was behind a rock in battle when he joined in the fight. Maybe your game was different?

But really the point is moot since it is up to Bioware and they will have their reasons. Maybe in the last few years the VS added to their resume. Who knows. Back to Miranda ...

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I think Miranda would be more suited to being a Spectre than the VS. I think she'd be more willing to take a renegade path than Ashley/Kaidan. The Spectres we've seen in game (Nihlus, Saren, Vasir) seem more renegade than paragon, I even think renegade Shepard is more suited to being a Spectre than paragon Shep.

[YoCalio]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I think Miranda would be more suited to being a Spectre than the VS. I think she'd be more willing to take a renegade path than Ashley/Kaidan. The Spectres we've seen in game (Nihlus, Saren, Vasir) seem more renegade than paragon, I even think renegade Shepard is more suited to being a Spectre than paragon Shep.

I agree. Why have the pass to be above the law to protect the galaxy "at all costs" if you're not going to be a little renegade

[hegth]

I don't consider any of them spectres candidate

Ashley: she is a good soldier nothing else, most importantly not good with politics she could trigger a war.

Kaidan: quiet, follow orders not the type that use force which may be necessary.

Miranda: she can take hard choices and is good with diplomacy however regular in direct combat.

[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...
To me that line is nothing to with permanent or non permanent squadmembers but more the nature of what's happening in me3. I still think we're getting who they said were permanent squadmembers as exactly that and that line is just basically saying, people can die, things can happen therefore nothing is permanent.

The thing is, they never said anything like "x is permanent" about anyone. Here's the quote on which everything else is based, from the Game Informer article:

"Some characters are going to be absolutely core to the story. They're squad members. The whole structure of the story kind of pivots around them. Others will be conventional squad members that you can choose to have with you or not. Some characters might just be there for a mission, but they're a squad member in that mission. And some characters might just have cameo appearances."

Above that, they only ever said that Liara, Garrus, the VS and Vega will be "playable to some extent", and later they extended that to cover Tali as well. They didn't say anyone of them was part of the core squad. 

I suspect that Vega, Liara and the VS will be that core squad because they're guaranteed to be present in all games. But I have to say that I will be mightily pissed if if "the structure of the story kind of pivots around" Ashley and Miranda gets fobbed off with a minor role in spite of her much greater story potential, and if team members can die, I want them all to be equally vulnerable.

[Jonathan Tavier]

...Every time I think we are finally past this s/s romance discussion someone has to reply and start it up again. It is clear neither side is going to change the other's views. Accept it and move on. Please? I'm getting tired of reading the same crap every page. :/

[Vertigo_1]

Jonathan Tavier wrote...

...Every time I think we are finally past this s/s romance discussion someone has to reply and start it up again. It is clear neither side is going to change the other's views. Accept it and move on. Please? I'm getting tired of reading the same crap every page. :/

THANK YOU!

ALSO: People can have opposing views! Who knew!  Ultimately it's Bioware who makes the final call

Moving on:
Miranda as Spectre? She is better squalified than the VS IMO
But this is based on what we have seen in ME1 & ME2, in ME3 VS could have grown to the point where you could say: "Yeah, Ashley/Kaidan as VS makes sense now"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 juin 2011 - 08:31 .

[Melra]

I think Kaidan will make great Spectre, Ashley not so much, but I only have saves with Kaidan. Not too sure who'd make better Spectre, Miri or Kaidan. I'd consider them pretty even. Both are capable.

[alperez]

Ieldra2

I always took that conventional squadmember line to mean permanent and then yes they did just say that Liara,Vs,Vega,Garrus and later on Tali to be playable to some extent as you put it.

It was the fact that those characters in particular were mentioned where i and others assumed the permanent status of their roles, that and i think if i remember correctly a lot of to-ing and fro-ing regarding tweets from different devs.

I agree it could well be that Liara,Vs.vega will be the core squad and that others play different roles. That maybe defining Garrus and Tali as permanent squadmembers by myself and others is a mistake.

Its just even if that is the case, to me it changes nothing. Its not a question for me if the only core squad is the only guaranteed people alive, more what this means in terms of the rest of the squadmember roles.

If all possible dead squadmates are being treated the same and the roles they play are all equal and reduced, then i'm sorry i'm not fine with that, to me thats a cop out of huge proportions.

I can get storyline reasoning making sense with some of the me2 crew, i never expected them all back, but if they've reduced the roles of them all, it smacks of a its too hard to incorporate the possible outcomes of the SM therefore rather than try we decided to change things round so its easier to do.

They incorporated a SM and an me2 team into the equation, to then take the simplest formula to work out the possible conoctations makes incorporating the bloody thing in the first place a colossal waste of time.

Its not just an Li thing with me *yes of course i want my LI back* but its more a case of what was the point of how i played me2 or what happened in my playthrough if they had already decided to take the easiest option in the first place, in fact if thats the case what in the end was the actual point of me2?

[MisterJB]

Nyoka wrote...
That's too bad about you. You should mind your own game, your own house, your own Miranda, your own business. Not someone else's. For example, there have been a lot of threads saying Shep is straight. I don't mind those threads and I shrug them off because I know my Shep isn't heterosexual. Miranda as you know her is straight? Good. She will continue to be so. To you. In your house. Don't like Tali's romance? Don't do it. Don't like the "smuggled cargo" sidequest? Don't do it. Don't like throw? Don't spend points on it. Simple. This is not a game features discussion, it's a personal preferences discussion.

It really is not. Shepard is the player's avatar, there's your Shepard and there's my Shepard. However, not so with Miranda. We couldn't ignore her newly extablished sexuality more than we can ignore her wilingness to put a control chip on Shep's brain. They're both part of Miranda's character.
If she becomes an S/S option in ME3, then in a game where Miranda is being romanced by ManShep, she is not heterosexual in that game. She's a bisexual who is in love with a man.
Personally, I would have no problem with it but I can understand why some people migth.

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 juin 2011 - 08:28 .

[hegth]

Melrache wrote...

I think Kaidan will make great Spectre, Ashley not so much, but I only have saves with Kaidan. Not too sure who'd make better Spectre, Miri or Kaidan. I'd consider them pretty even. Both are capable.

Im on the same predicament  although Im more inclined too kaidan for the reason that we don't know how much has he changed in those years, the same can be said for ashley though.