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[alperez]

flemm wrote...

Well, sure, but I don't see much point in speaking or even really thinking in those terms. The idea of "canceling preorders" and such just gets thrown around to the point where it's meaningless.

It's not something I'm going to premeditate all that much: if I'm moved to buy the game, I will, if not, I won't.

True perhaps not a good topic for discussion, it was more just a wonderment as some friends of mine said they weren't getting it, as for me its more a buy then judge and its not me3 that i won't get, more it'll be future games based on how i feel after playing me3, so moving swiftly along.

[CrutchCricket]

I've seen Rhona in Underworld. She holds her own even though she's constantly being compared to Kate Beckinsale who I surprisingly don't see as Miranda despite all the action she's done in a black catsuit.  She's got the skills though, and the experience.


Edit: I actually wouldn't mind a Halo reference provided it was a jab at Master Chief. I don't hate Halo, it's a good franchise- Halo fans on the other hand... The only piece of humor I actually enjoyed from Duke Nukem Forever to date is when Duke says "power armor is for ******" as he looks at the Master Chief chestplate. Too bad it ripped off Halo so much instead of sticking with what it was good at and what should've been. But anyway...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I've seen Rhona in Underworld. She holds her own even though she's constantly being compared to Kate Beckinsale who I surprisingly don't see as Miranda despite all the action she's done in a black catsuit.  She's got the skills though, and the experience.


Edit: I actually wouldn't mind a Halo reference provided it was a jab at Master Chief. I don't hate Halo, it's a good franchise- Halo fans on the other hand... The only piece of humor I actually enjoyed from Duke Nukem Forever to date is when Duke says "power armor is for ******" as he looks at the Master Chief chestplate. Too bad it ripped off Halo so much instead of sticking with what it was good at and what should've been. But anyway...

Shep: Damnit Joker I was born human just like you! What do you want from me?! Do I look like a jackass that was shoved in impervious mechanical armor with an advanced AI imbedded in my head to help me make only perfect decisions?! IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE ME AS?!

Wait Ill show you something that will make you hate the creators of Halo 4... www.youtube.com/watch there you go. I watched it and immediatelly thought someone had no idea for a beginning for Halo 4 and played ME2 and used the destruction of Normandy SR1 as the benchmark.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Mathias]

I'm beginning to think that maybe the reason Bioware has been avoiding the subject of Miranda is because they know they'd upset fans with the truth, if the leaked info turns out to be true. But then again why did they say "Miranda is back and has unfinished business with Shepard"? Bah this all stinks! Stinks I say!

[Ryzaki]

Probably because old script is old?

[CrutchCricket]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Wait Ill show you something that will make you hate the creators of Halo 4... www.youtube.com/watch there you go. I watched it and immediatelly thought someone had no idea for a beginning for Halo 4 and played ME2 and used the destruction of Normandy SR1 as the benchmark.

Wow... I didn't really expect Halo 4 to have much originality to begin with but this is just ridiculous.

[flemm]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
 But then again why did they say "Miranda is back and has unfinished business with Shepard"?

Well, that's really vague and could mean pretty much anything. Micheal Gamble would appear to have slipped up in his response to Ieldra's question at whatever Con that was, but, beyond that, they haven't really said anything at all about Miranda.

[alperez]

Ryzaki wrote...

Probably because old script is old?

Jim Jones would have loved you (just kidding lol).

But the whole script is old thing really is debatable, i mean we're clinging to 2 hopes, 1. that the script is old and we'll see that reflected in the game and 2. that parts of it is unfinished and we'll see that reflected in the game.

The problem with both of these is that we could off course be completely wrong and we'll then see that reflected in the game also.

At the end of the day those who read the leaks are in a sort of limbo, they have knowledge which may or not be accurate and the only way they'll know is once the game comes out, the forums from then on should be fun.

[flemm]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Where can I find this script leak everyone is talking about?

If you really want to sift through it, I'm sure someone will PM it to you. It's not easily readable, though, as it's not in order and there's a lot of junk text mixed in (all these files were datamined from a leaked beta build).

I stupidly saved my copy to a computer I rarely use. Derp

Otherwise you can just stop by the Miranda spoiler group, where we've pretty much gone over every line that references Miranda (which, unfortunately, doesn't take as long as you'd expect). Still, there's plenty of reading material for you there, including some reconstructed dialogs:

http://social.bioware.com/group/5254/

Be warned: spoilers everywhere in that group.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

flemm wrote...

If you really want to sift through it, I'm sure someone will PM it to you. It's not easily readable, though, as it's not in order and there's a lot of junk text mixed in (all these files were datamined from a leaked beta build).

I stupidly saved my copy to a computer I rarely use. Derp

Otherwise you can just stop by the Miranda spoiler group, where we've pretty much gone over every line that references Miranda (which, unfortunately, doesn't take as long as you'd expect). Still, there's plenty of reading material for you there, including some reconstructed dialogs:

http://social.bioware.com/group/5254/

Be warned: spoilers everywhere in that group.

BioWare has tight enough security that anything that could actually spoil my experience of ME3 still has a tight lock on it. If it has to do with TIM and Cerberus I am all in because I want to see if there was proof discovered that backs my theories.

Thank you I will be catching up.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 02 décembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[flemm]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
BioWare has tight enough security that anything that could actually spoil my experience of ME3 still has a tight lock on it. If it has to do with TIM and Cerberus I am all in because I want to see if there was proof discovered that backs my theories.

LoL Omega, it's easy to tell you've been gone awhile

What happened is somebody at Microsoft screwed up and flagged some files the wrong way, with the end result being that a ME3 beta build was downloadable to Xbox for a while. Then it got datamined and a whole script was found. It's unfinished, and it might date from as far back as maybe six months ago or so, but it spoils massive amounts of the story.

So, tread lightly if you don't want to be spoiled.

Re: TIM, your questions could probably be answered, at least tentatively, based on this. You could ask me in PM, if you want to avoid other spoilers.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[feliciano2040]

So, I'm not really new to Mass Effect AT ALL, but I had to make a new account.

Still, if there's any reason to come back to "forum navigating", it's probably this topic.

I love Miranda, sorry Liara, your DLC was great, but nothing beats a pragmatic, unbelievable sexy, dangerously lethal superspy in the Mass Effect Universe.

That said, I hope Miranda gets her due in Mass Effect 3.

[Ryzaki]

alperez wrote...

Jim Jones would have loved you (just kidding lol).

But the whole script is old thing really is debatable, i mean we're clinging to 2 hopes, 1. that the script is old and we'll see that reflected in the game and 2. that parts of it is unfinished and we'll see that reflected in the game.

The problem with both of these is that we could off course be completely wrong and we'll then see that reflected in the game also.

At the end of the day those who read the leaks are in a sort of limbo, they have knowledge which may or not be accurate and the only way they'll know is once the game comes out, the forums from then on should be fun.

Eh. Just reading the opening that the leaked script had and comparing it to the one that was actually in the beta showed significant changes. So I'm just gonna roll with that.

That said I *like* the Miranda in the scripts. I don't mind her saying "I need to watch out for Oriana first." because hey she's human, she's flawed. So even if she didn't change overmuch I wouldn't mind. I have a feeling the control chip convo is gonna be one of my favs.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 décembre 2011 - 04:25 .

[Dr. Doctor]

While I like the fact that Miranda cares about her little sister, I don't want babysitting her to be the main focus of Miranda's story arc in ME3. I want to see Miranda the scientist, Miranda the operative, Oriana can be important but she needs to be a reason for Miranda to fight, not a reason to abandon her convictions.

[flemm]

Ryzaki wrote...
That said I *like* the Miranda in the scripts. I don't mind her saying "I need to watch out for Oriana first." because hey she's human, she's flawed. So even if she didn't change overmuch I wouldn't mind. I have a feeling the control chip convo is gonna be one of my favs.

There's nothing wrong with her going after Oriana per se. Some find it to be overly repetitive of the ME2 loyalty mission (it's nothing new, Miranda does the same thing in the prior game). However, it needs to be balanced with Miranda's other concerns and story arcs: it's not Miranda if you don't have both sides, personal and professional. She loves her sister, but she also has other goals.

Even the dialog in the script is actually very reminiscent of an ME2 LM, in the sense that Miranda actually says, basically: "I can't think about anything else until I deal with this." But once she deals with it, unlike ME2, she doesn't do anything else. (This may just mean her role in the script is incomplete. In which case, great.)

Beyond that, Miranda isn't really a character who should be likable all the time. Some of the time, sure, but she also has an abrasive side. She should do at least one thing in the game that pisses a lot of people off, ideally more than one.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:02 .

[Mathias]

alperez wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Probably because old script is old?

Jim Jones would have loved you (just kidding lol).

But the whole script is old thing really is debatable, i mean we're clinging to 2 hopes, 1. that the script is old and we'll see that reflected in the game and 2. that parts of it is unfinished and we'll see that reflected in the game.

The problem with both of these is that we could off course be completely wrong and we'll then see that reflected in the game also.

At the end of the day those who read the leaks are in a sort of limbo, they have knowledge which may or not be accurate and the only way they'll know is once the game comes out, the forums from then on should be fun.

I know. It just really sucks. Before i found out about the leaks, Miranda was on par with Ashley, to me at least. Those two are my top LIs and i've been debating with myself which one i should go for in my main playthrough in ME3. But now, knowing how likely Miri fans are to get screwed over, it's no contest. Ashley will end up being my main LI.

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...
There's nothing wrong with her going after Oriana per se. Some find it to be overly repetitive of the ME2 loyalty mission (it's nothing new, Miranda does the same thing in the prior game). However, it needs to be balanced with Miranda's other concerns and story arcs: it's not Miranda if you don't have both sides, personal and professional. She loves her sister, but she also has other goals.

Even the dialog in the script is actually very reminiscent of an ME2 LM, in the sense that Miranda actually says, basically: "I can't think about anything else until I deal with this." But once she deals with it, unlike ME2, she doesn't do anything else. (This may just mean her role in the script is incomplete. In which case, great.)

Beyond that, Miranda isn't really a character who should be likable all the time. Some of the time, sure, but she also has an abrasive side. She should do at least one thing in the game that pisses a lot of people off, ideally more than one.

That is true. She should be involved in the Reaper fight preferably by helping the alliance.

I'm gonna have to admit bias though. I really do not want her dealing with TIM. Mostly because I'm selfish and as far as I'm concerned that's my Shep's fight. The old "he's mine." throwdown. My Shep isn't gonna get in her business when she deals with her father but TIM is his and she needs to stay out of the way when it comes to that. He would expect no less than that from her when it comes to her father. She can have TIM after Shep's done. Not before. So I can see where the devs are coming from not having her there for the TIM confrontation. It's stepping on Shep's toes and I see it as a real mood killer. Some players wouldn't mind it but I would (which would be why ideally there would be an option for Shep to get her involved/get her to back off that doesn't involve killing her).

I see where you're coming from even if I don't agree with it. If her pissing players off is only because she's doing her own thing then I have no issue with it as long as my Shep has a range of reactions from it from "damnit! get the hell out of my way!" (especially if her only reaction to that is to ignore my shep) to "thanks!"

@Dr.Doctor: That's a good way of putting it and I do agree with it to an extent.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:41 .

[spirosz]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

While I like the fact that Miranda cares about her little sister, I don't want babysitting her to be the main focus of Miranda's story arc in ME3. I want to see Miranda the scientist, Miranda the operative, Oriana can be important but she needs to be a reason for Miranda to fight, not a reason to abandon her convictions.

That's a good way to put it.  Everyone has something to fight for, that's for sure.  In my opinion, it should drive her more towards her original goals or more so, her outlook on humanity as a whole. 

Modifié par spiros9110, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:34 .

[flemm]

Ryzaki wrote...
I'm gonna have to admit bias though. I really do not want her dealing with TIM. Mostly because I'm selfish and as far as I'm concerned that's my Shep's fight. My Shep isn't gonna get in her business when she deals with her father but TIM is his and she needs to stay out of the way when it comes to that. He would expect no less than that from her when it comes to her father. She can have TIM after Shep's done. Not before. So I can see where the devs are coming from not having her there for the TIM confrontation. It's stepping on Shep's toes. Some players wouldn't mind it but I would (which would be why ideally there would be an option for Shep to get her involved/get her to back off that doesn't involve killing her).

Well, I don't see any reason why Miranda dealing with her connection to Cerberus and TIM should interfere with Shepard dealing with her/his. The game being what it is, Shepard will have the last word there, which is fine.

Miranda's story arc can be handled in a myriad other ways, either through player choice, as you suggest, or simply by situating the decisive moment for Miranda a bit earlier in the story. (Given the way the plot unfolds in the leak, there's an easy and obvious way this could work.)

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...
Well, I don't see any reason why Miranda dealing with her connection to Cerberus and TIM should interfere with Shepard dealing with her/his. The game being what it is, Shepard will have the last word there, which is fine.

Miranda's story arc can be handled in a myriad other ways, either through player choice, as you suggest, or simply by situating the decisive moment for Miranda a bit earlier in the story. (Given the way the plot unfolds in the leak, there's an easy and obvious way this could work.)

Given the probablity of Shep only seeing TIM face to face once I do see it as a potentially large interference and mood killer. But that varies from player to player. Unless there's a scene earlier when he's speaking to Shep and/or Miranda using a hologram. ...actually now that I think about it an earlier scene would work very well.

You mind PMing me the way it could work? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:52 .

[flemm]

Ryzaki wrote...

You mind PMing me the way it could work? 

I'll just put it in spoiler tags...

The decisive moment for Miranda can easily happen during the assault on TIM's base. Miranda would provide an option here that isn't available otherwise, such as rallying the various rebellious Cerberus cells (of which there are several in the game) as a fighting force at the final battle. This would mirror the various other factions led by former squad members.

TIM is no longer present at the base, you only meet him later in the endgame. Miranda wouldn't really need to be present for that at all. It would be nice, and I think appropriate, if the player had the option to bring her, but that would be a bonus, really.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:56 .

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...

I'll just put it in spoiler tags... *snip*

That would be just fine.

And *spoilers* That really should be an option with all the ME2 living squaddies. The line up as it is now just sucks. Only characters from ME2 that are on the squad are EDI, Garrus and Tali. *end spoilers* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:05 .

[flemm]

Ryzaki wrote...

That would be just fine.

I think so, too.

On your other point, agreed, it sucks, and that would be a good idea, come to think of it, letting the player choose any surviving companion for that.

Edit: *removed comment about spoiler tags, they are fixed*

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[Ryzaki]

D:

Sorry! Should be fixed now.

[Ieldra]

Edit:
Oops, top of the page again....

Miranda in full chiaroscuro style.

feliciano2040 wrote...
I love Miranda, sorry Liara, your DLC was great, but nothing beats a pragmatic, unbelievable sexy, dangerously lethal superspy in the Mass Effect Universe.

That said, I hope Miranda gets her due in Mass Effect 3.

Yeah we all hope that. Particularly that she's still that pragmatic, unbelievably sexy, dangerously lethal superspy we fell in love with in ME2.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 08:24 .