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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Given that DA2 was steeped in moral ambiguity and was made completely while BW was part of EA, I don't think we can blame them directly.

That, among other things like companions and the different cultures, was what made DA2 enjoyable, even if it failed me as a game. I feared that the ME team would go and make conventional morality the cornerstone of their moral "message", but I thought I had reason to hope that a few characters - like Miranda - would be exempt from excessive reshaping and redeeming. Or in Miranda's case, reducing.

Well with a little luck we'll see her holding her own against Kai Leng and tweaking the nose of the Alliance while making her contribution to the endgame. What I *really* want her to do though, is defend her vision of human advancement while accepting that her loyalty to Cerberus may have been misguided.

[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...
Basically to me its this, in me2 they created TIM and Cerberus to fill a specific role, we were supposed to be in a deal with the devil situation so we dealt with the devil, the problem is that they made the devil more seductive than evil and some people were seduced.

So a paragon player who felt railroaded into working with cerberus and that they could never trust them, that they would at some point betray you got the impression they wanted them to get, however a renegade, renegon, paragade or however you want to put it, looked at cerberus and Tim and saw an organisation and leader willing to do what it takes, so were if you will seduced by that (along with the inactions of other organisations).

Just so. Even Hackett acknowledges them: "I don't like Cerberus or the way they do things, but at least they're doing something about the state of the galaxy". That sums up about the attitude of most of my Shepards in ME2. I guess we always suspected that Cerberus would end up as something to be destroyed, but this total vilification to the point that Miranda's former high position with them is perceived as so much of a liability that they refuse to deal with it in a way that preserves Miranda's ideals, that's surprising.  

So they now realise they've made a mistake, either they didn't tell the story well enough or didn't draw the lines clearly enough and since they needed cerberus to be what they intended anyway this time they'll make sure there's no confusion, so we get a predictable cerberus and even more predictable TIM, one who have really no possible moral ground to stand on and who no one could really support, which was always what they intended.

Unfrotunately, this creates the Miranda Variable, where dealing with her arc could lead to questions that impune her character and remove or make more difficult her redemption or heroic end to her story, so instead we'll concentrate on her personal problems thereby removing any potential grey areas and allowing for a heroic end without anyone questioning the character, so like meerkats they go SIMPLES and its all done.

LOL. They go SIMPLES. I must memorize that phrase for my planned rant. Unfortunately, the reality is not at all funny.

BTW, I just noticed that the same happened with Jack. Her undoubtedly criminal past never comes up again. And apparently having a criminal record of epic proportions is irrelevant for her new position....

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...

Damn they better bring him back for Mordin! I love that character. The singing Mordin on the Normandy was hilarious. :-)

Not to forgot about the romance advice.   I still want to know what was in that video about biotic usages during sex. 

Me, too. But it won't happen, I can almost guarantee it. Such things work better if left to your imagination.

As for VAs, Casey Hudson let it slip that Strahovski will be back. I guess that can still change at the last minute so they won't confirm anything officially until she's started recording.

Sad thing about Mordin, yes, but I think Mark Meer did an ok job with his voice. Yes, that makes me a heretic 

[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...
Here's a question.

Does anyone have a cutoff point, a point where they won't buy me3?

Some. Theoretically - since I'll buy on day one, most of it I'll only know once I've already bought the game. If I've already bought the game, these will cause me to disown it and not buy any DLC.

(1) If there is no option where Shepard stays alive and human. Transhuman is acceptable and actually preferable, as long as humanity follows, but anything forced on me that even remotely reeks of "ascending to a higher plane of existence" (example: Deus Ex' Helios ending) is a cutoff. If it's one option of several, that's ok and I would like that it's there.
(2) If they screw up Miranda beyond recovery. A redemption aspect canonically forced on her story arc plus Miranda reduced to a victim, that would do it. The older leaked script came pretty close, actually.
(3) If certain technologies will continue to be branded as evil. The evidence so far suggests they've averted that in a big way this time, but word is still out on Miranda's genetic engineering.

And all in all, the more traditional values are espoused and promoted as being the right and true thing through anvilicious messaging, the less I'll like ME3. Too much of it and I'll disown it, though likely EA/Bioware will already have gotten my money at that point. Well, reputation damage is nothing to take lightly these days.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
I wouldn't mind her wearing a black outfit... black t-shirt? black jacket, black pants and black boots. I think would look great on her. She can wear the leopard teddy in private.

Black sounds good for Miranda. As long as she doesn't look as if dipped in black ink. Not that I would mind Miranda dipped in black ink, but in private, please.

Actually, the color scheme and patterning of her default outfit aren't that bad either. It's the painted-on pants effect that makes the problems. And of course on a mission she needs some light commando armor.

[wright1978]

alperez wrote...
Here's a question.

Does anyone have a cutoff point, a point where they won't buy me3?

Miranda character assassinated or written out of the game would do it for me.

Otherwise i'll buy on day 1 and that will inform my future relationship with Bioware as a customer. I've banned myself from spending any more money on Bioware till then. Had about $100 dollars worth from store in my basket and it was really hard to stop myself buying and while i've never got into MMORG's i had been considering giving KOTOR a shot. That will be on hold too.

[TomY90]

wright1978 wrote...

alperez wrote...
Here's a question.

Does anyone have a cutoff point, a point where they won't buy me3?

Miranda character assassinated or written out of the game would do it for me.

Otherwise i'll buy on day 1 and that will inform my future relationship with Bioware as a customer. I've banned myself from spending any more money on Bioware till then. Had about $100 dollars worth from store in my basket and it was really hard to stop myself buying and while i've never got into MMORG's i had been considering giving KOTOR a shot. That will be on hold too.

I would actually still buy mass effect regardless I love the series not just because of Miranda

everything about the series i love, granted I will be extremely pissed off and disappointed they did that with Miranda considering how much of a major character she is in ME2.

[Burneye Is God]

for me aside from shep's the most important mass effect 2 character!!!

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
(1) If there is no option where Shepard stays alive and human. Transhuman is acceptable and actually preferable, as long as humanity follows, but anything forced on me that even remotely reeks of "ascending to a higher plane of existence" (example: Deus Ex' Helios ending) is a cutoff. If it's one option of several, that's ok and I would like that it's there.

Interesting. Why is retaining his humanity so important to you? I have no objection to what you're saying and the more options the better. But I am curious.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for VAs, Casey Hudson let it slip that Strahovski will be back. I guess that can still change at the last minute so they won't confirm anything officially until she's started recording.

Well, the most I've heard is that he mentioned that to a fan at a Con, which is certainly encouraging. But he'd be unlikely to drop the opposite news in that setting, it must be said, especially if there were any doubt at all.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sad thing about Mordin, yes, but I think Mark Meer did an ok job with his voice. Yes, that makes me a heretic 

I believe Meer's rendition has pretty much been confirmed as a placeholder (by Meer), but it seems there will be a new VA.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Some. Theoretically - since I'll buy on day one, most of it I'll only know once I've already bought the game. If I've already bought the game, these will cause me to disown it and not buy any DLC.

(1) If there is no option where Shepard stays alive and human. Transhuman is acceptable and actually preferable, as long as humanity follows, but anything forced on me that even remotely reeks of "ascending to a higher plane of existence" (example: Deus Ex' Helios ending) is a cutoff. If it's one option of several, that's ok and I would like that it's there.
(2) If they screw up Miranda beyond recovery. A redemption aspect canonically forced on her story arc plus Miranda reduced to a victim, that would do it. The older leaked script came pretty close, actually.
(3) If certain technologies will continue to be branded as evil. The evidence so far suggests they've averted that in a big way this time, but word is still out on Miranda's genetic engineering.

Too be honest I pretty much guarantee you that you will have more than one option including that ending (point 1)

but I hope to god mass effect 3 does not end like Deus Ex: Human Revolution the use of videos are shocking especially putting that much time and effort in just for adam jenson saying why he choose it with ramdom old clips.

I think there will be like 7 endings at the end considering it all depends on how prepared you are for the last time.

I do think Miranda's story arc may feature some parts of her feeling like a victim but I would shocked it would to centre stage in the arc.

some technology will get branded just depends on what happens with them in the end of the game. (for instance genetic engineering could become positive with the actions of miranda or other genetic engineered people) it will likely try to make as much of our desicions will have a positive outcome.

[jtav]

The odd thing is that I could live with a true redemption arc for Miranda. A Miranda who realized that her silence and willful blindness made her complicit in things like Akuze would be interesting. How do you make up for something like that? But she could not be indifferent. It would light a fire under her to see Cerberus brought down. She'd be angry and guilt-stricken. There would be consequences. There's none of that in the leak. We have another character reduced to their family.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
The odd thing is that I could live with a true redemption arc for Miranda. A Miranda who realized that her silence and willful blindness made her complicit in things like Akuze would be interesting. How do you make up for something like that? But she could not be indifferent. It would light a fire under her to see Cerberus brought down. She'd be angry and guilt-stricken. There would be consequences. There's none of that in the leak. We have another character reduced to their family.

Agreed. I don't want a redemption story, but it could at least work as a complete story, if it involved Miranda really getting fired up to take down Cerberus, and coming to some sort of reckoning about her past involvement in the organisation.

But, as you say, that's completely missing here. What we have in the leak is basically indifference to all of that, as if none of it ever happened. 

Even when her personal issues are completely resolved, there's nothing else. No sense of responsability, no desire to get involved. This has nothing to do with the character, of course, it's that the script just drops her at that point.

I want to see this as a sign that it's incomplete, but I'm not sure that's true. There's stuff to be filled in, but not sure anything is intended to occur beyond that.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Lenimph]

Just dropping in to tell you all I named my new hamster Miranda.

[jtav]

ME3 has received classification in Australia. So I think we can confirm content as pretty well locked. Nothing to do but wait.

[jtav]

double post

Modifié par jtav, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...
Agreed. I don't want a redemption story, but it could at least work as a complete story, if it involved Miranda really getting fired up to take down Cerberus, and coming to some sort of reckoning about her past involvement in the organisation.

But, as you say, that's completely missing here. What we have in the leak is basically indifference to all of that, as if none of it ever happened. 

Even when her personal issues are completely resolved, there's nothing else. No sense of responsability, no desire to get involved. This has nothing to do with the character, of course, it's that the script just drops her at that point.

I want to see this as a sign that it's incomplete, but I'm not sure that's true. There's stuff to be filled in, but not sure anything is intended to occur beyond that.

That is something I would like to see (and maybe turning Cerberus into something decent instead of the cloak and dagger nonsense they have currently going on).

Though really I take it as a sign of it being incomplete. But I am an optimist when it comes to this.Other things I'm far more pessimistic about.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:26 .

[Vertigo_1]

Weekes didn't write Miranda this time:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/142655297826193410
"Is it still to early to ask if you are writing Miranda for #ME3? I asked before: twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118096730133757953"

"I didn't write Miranda this time. Offered some advice to help an already-great story, though."

Wasn't expecting an answer since I didn't get one last time but there it is.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[flemm]

And the good news just keeps on coming

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
And the good news just keeps on coming

I don't understand...

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I don't understand...

I was being ironic

Obviously, it's not good news. I hope his advice helped the original ideas suck less, though.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:50 .

[MisterJB]

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Modifié par MisterJB, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:50 .

[Ieldra]

TomY90 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Some. Theoretically - since I'll buy on day one, most of it I'll only know once I've already bought the game. If I've already bought the game, these will cause me to disown it and not buy any DLC.

(1) If there is no option where Shepard stays alive and human. Transhuman is acceptable and actually preferable, as long as humanity follows, but anything forced on me that even remotely reeks of "ascending to a higher plane of existence" (example: Deus Ex' Helios ending) is a cutoff. If it's one option of several, that's ok and I would like that it's there.
(2) If they screw up Miranda beyond recovery. A redemption aspect canonically forced on her story arc plus Miranda reduced to a victim, that would do it. The older leaked script came pretty close, actually.
(3) If certain technologies will continue to be branded as evil. The evidence so far suggests they've averted that in a big way this time, but word is still out on Miranda's genetic engineering.

Too be honest I pretty much guarantee you that you will have more than one option including that ending (point 1)

Actually, I see only one. OK, maybe two. And I don't mind its presence at all, after all, I have Shepards who would take it. It's just that I don't want it to be the only option.

some technology will get branded just depends on what happens with them in the end of the game. (for instance genetic engineering could become positive with the actions of miranda or other genetic engineered people) it will likely try to make as much of our desicions will have a positive outcome.

The question of course is: what is a positive outcome, apart from most of the galaxy being saved from Reaperization? 

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...
Though really I take it as a sign of it being incomplete. But I am an optimist when it comes to this.Other things I'm far more pessimistic about.

May I ask what that is you're pessimistic about?

@flemm:
I'm not fixed on a certain writer. But that may explain why a few lines don't sound like Miranda. Not that many, though. As for the "great story", we'll see. *is skeptical*

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 05:53 .