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[Darth Death]

Jonathan Tavier wrote...

...Every time I think we are finally past this s/s romance discussion someone has to reply and start it up again. It is clear neither side is going to change the other's views. Accept it and move on. Please? I'm getting tired of reading the same crap every page. :/

Why are people talking about that in this thread? I must have missed a lot...

[jtav]

Because I brought it up because my current FemShep is in love with her and can't say anything about it.

Though at least we're getting discussion.

[Melra]

hegth wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I think Kaidan will make great Spectre, Ashley not so much, but I only have saves with Kaidan. Not too sure who'd make better Spectre, Miri or Kaidan. I'd consider them pretty even. Both are capable.

Im on the same predicament  although Im more inclined too kaidan for the reason that we don't know how much has he changed in those years, the same can be said for ashley though.

Yeah, he may have changed a bit after he's gotten out on his own, without being under Shepard's wing. Just the thought of having him, Miri and Shepard on same team makes me drool. 

The ''banter'' between Miri and Kaidan might be interesting, Kaidan is seemed quite tolerant before the Horizon incident, so I think he might be interested to hear Miri's side, after the two would get over the awkwardness.

[Vertigo_1]

I must be the only one who wouldn't mind hearing banter between Miranda and Ashley... LOL

[MisterJB]

Not at all. I'm hoping they have a rivalry similar to Fenris/Anders.

[Jonathan Tavier]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I must be the only one who wouldn't mind hearing banter between Miranda and Ashley... LOL

Nope, definitely not the only one. If I'm able to I'll definitely have both on my squad through quite a few missions just for that very reason.

Modifié par Jonathan Tavier, 24 juin 2011 - 08:59 .

[Vertigo_1]

I imagine there will be words exchanged between them since I romanced both

I'd prefer Mordin and Miranda though for the "which squadmate banter would you like to hear the most"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 juin 2011 - 08:50 .

[Melra]

I wouldn't mind hearing Ashley/Miri banter, but having Ashley on board would result in far too much female energy on board my ship. As much as I love women, there's just that much I can take at one time.

Mhm!


Edit: Also the fact, that I prefer Kaidan as a person and he brings something I like, into the crew as a whole.

Modifié par Melrache, 24 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[jtav]

I'm afraid it would degenerate into catfights. And Kaidan's tied for my second favorite character.

I really want to hear Miranda/Liara banter.

[Raizo]

MisterJB wrote...

If you bring anyone unloyal with you to the final fight, that person will die. You should leave Jack behind to hold the line with Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed.

Actually Jack died on my first playthrough because I did not have enough Paragon points to settle the arguement/fight between her and Miranda without offending anyone, obviously I took Miranda's side ( even though Jack has a right to be pissed off at Cerebus ) and I lost Jack's loyalty. I took Miranda and Garus with me to fight the humanoid reaper an dleft Jack to hold the line and she just died.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

I'm afraid it would degenerate into catfights. And Kaidan's tied for my second favorite character.

I really want to hear Miranda/Liara banter.

I hope not, I mean there was some banter between Anders and Fenris about FemHawke in DA2 if you romanced both I believe...
I'm not looking for a catfight but I'd still like to hear what they thought about it.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 juin 2011 - 08:58 .

[Melra]

Raizo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

If you bring anyone unloyal with you to the final fight, that person will die. You should leave Jack behind to hold the line with Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed.

Actually Jack died on my first playthrough because I did not have enough Paragon points to settle the arguement/fight between her and Miranda without offending anyone, obviously I took Miranda's side ( even though Jack has a right to be pissed off at Cerebus ) and I lost Jack's loyalty. I took Miranda and Garus with me to fight the humanoid reaper an dleft Jack to hold the line and she just died.

Well you took Garrus with you. Grunt and Zaeed can only make up for so much of incompetence.

[Raizo]

Melrache wrote...

Raizo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

If you bring anyone unloyal with you to the final fight, that person will die. You should leave Jack behind to hold the line with Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed.

Actually Jack died on my first playthrough because I did not have enough Paragon points to settle the arguement/fight between her and Miranda without offending anyone, obviously I took Miranda's side ( even though Jack has a right to be pissed off at Cerebus ) and I lost Jack's loyalty. I took Miranda and Garus with me to fight the humanoid reaper an dleft Jack to hold the line and she just died.

Well you took Garrus with you. Grunt and Zaeed can only make up for so much of incompetence.

Well it was my first playthrough, I did not understand how the SM worked back then, I did not realise that leaving Grunt and Garrus ( I always take Garrus and Miri  with me to fight the last boss, heck these 2 almost never, ever leave my party ) behind to hold the line could make such a massive diiference and I did not have broadband back in the early half of 2010 so I did not have access to Zaeed.

[Ieldra]

@Nyoka:
OK let's make peace about the whole thing. If they give her an f/f romance, I'll adapt to it. But there is still a flaw in your reasoning I want to point out:

my perception of the character is not only shaped by my own experience.

That's too bad about you. You should mind your own game, your own house, your own Miranda, your own business. Not someone else's. For example, there have been a lot of threads saying Shep is straight. I don't mind those threads and I shrug them off because I know my Shep isn't heterosexual. Miranda as you know her is straight? Good. She will continue to be so. To you. In your house. Don't like Tali's romance? Don't do it. Don't like the "smuggled cargo" sidequest? Don't do it. Don't like throw? Don't spend points on it. Simple. This is not a game features discussion, it's a personal preferences discussion.

I do not experience the game in isolation. As soon as I come here, for instance, I know what everyone else is experiencing, and there is a limit to the amount and kind of knowledge I can ignore without it affecting my own experience. If I am as deeply invested in a character as I am in Miranda and spend so much time talking about her and dealing with others' opinions about her, it becomes even more difficult.

For instance, I cannot ignore the fact that Miranda resigns from Cerberus if you destroy the base, even if she never does it in my games. If I am to talk meaningfully about her, I must accept that this is part of her character. I can ignore her dreadful betrayal line more easily because it requires a more rarely selected combination of dialogue options and there is no required choice involved. I do not know how it would be with sexual orientation, but I suspect there would an influx of players with a femShep/Miranda romance in this thread. So very likely I would not be able to ignore it. It is different with Shepard because your Shepard is your own creation. But NPCs aren't. It is "your Shepard", but not "your Miranda". To say "my Miranda isn't bi" is a nonsensical statement when countless players romance her with a femShep.

That is the reason I disagree with the "everyone is bi" philosophy. It works as intended only for non-favorite characters you don't talk about much. If they make a f/f romance for Miranda, I'll have to live with it. Actually that would not be as hard for me as my previous posts might have suggested, but I would need to re-think a few aspects of her character to a considerable depth.

For instance the whole thing about her infertility. If I romance her with a femShep, the problem acquires a completely different slant since now using a technology like that of Miranda's father to create children of Miranda and Shepard is the only way they could have children in the first place. Since her infertility is linked to her genetic engineering regarding its impact for the big picture, that aspect, too, acquires a different slant. For that reason, Miranda is a particularly difficult character to reframe convincingly as bi. Not because of any consistency problems, but because it requires such a big mental wrench to adapt to it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2011 - 09:06 .

[hegth]

Im worried since my cannon shepard romanced ashley and miranda especially since I saw the video where she is in the normandy, I will shove her out through the air lock  if she tries to do something to miranda.

[naledgeborn]

I want Miranda/Liara banter.

Something along the lines of "I thought you were my friend!" from Liara. And a curt response in the form of "You thought wrong." from Miranda.

For some reason this kind of reminds me of Morrigan vs Leliana.

Also Kaidan trying to justify his negative views of Cerberus. And Miranda readily brushing him off like dirt on her shoulder.

[Melra]

Raizo wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Raizo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

If you bring anyone unloyal with you to the final fight, that person will die. You should leave Jack behind to hold the line with Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed.

Actually Jack died on my first playthrough because I did not have enough Paragon points to settle the arguement/fight between her and Miranda without offending anyone, obviously I took Miranda's side ( even though Jack has a right to be pissed off at Cerebus ) and I lost Jack's loyalty. I took Miranda and Garus with me to fight the humanoid reaper an dleft Jack to hold the line and she just died.

Well you took Garrus with you. Grunt and Zaeed can only make up for so much of incompetence.

Well it was my first playthrough, I did not understand how the SM worked back then, I did not realise that leaving Grunt and Garrus ( I always take Garrus and Miri  with me to fight the last boss, heck these 2 almost never, ever leave my party ) behind to hold the line could make such a massive diiference and I did not have broadband back in the early half of 2010 so I did not have access to Zaeed.

Well neither did I honestly, but I thought that if the situation turns into something like.. They lose contact with Shepard, they'd need a person there who knows how to lead. So I left Garrus to lead them.

[jtav]

If that's the Miranda/Liara banter we get, I'm going to go into serious rant mode. I like their friendship. It saved Redemption. I want it expanded, not turned into a catfight over Shep.

Modifié par jtav, 24 juin 2011 - 09:07 .

[enayasoul]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I must be the only one who wouldn't mind hearing banter between Miranda and Ashley... LOL

I'm looking forward to this...

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

If that's the Miranda/Liara banter we get, I'm going to go into serious rant mode. I like their friendship. It saved Redemption. I want it expanded, not turned into a catfight over Shep.

This. Both of the women are bit the type, who can easily live their lives without Shepard. They're independent and strong. They don't need a hero in their lives.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

If that's the Miranda/Liara banter we get, I'm going to go into serious rant mode. I like their friendship. It saved Redemption. I want it expanded, not turned into a catfight over Shep.

No, no, no. Not a catfight. A friendly rivalry. A hurt Liara. Maybe a grudge. I want to see friction. That doesn't mean I want them to wrestle naked in chocolate pudding over Shepard. That would cheapen both characters. 

[enayasoul]

Melrache wrote...

I wouldn't mind hearing Ashley/Miri banter, but having Ashley on board would result in far too much female energy on board my ship. As much as I love women, there's just that much I can take at one time.

Mhm!


Edit: Also the fact, that I prefer Kaidan as a person and he brings something I like, into the crew as a whole.

hahahaha  I love that video! Those two are so funny.  I hope Ken and Gab get together. 

[jtav]

I don't even want to see friction, which is why I refuse to do that combination. PM me if they do end up sharing. I'll pretend Shepard dies of food poisoning soon after.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

jtav wrote...

If that's the Miranda/Liara banter we get, I'm going to go into serious rant mode. I like their friendship. It saved Redemption. I want it expanded, not turned into a catfight over Shep.

This. Both of the women are bit the type, who can easily live their lives without Shepard. They're independent and strong. They don't need a hero in their lives.

^This.

I must be in a different universe. I have agreed passionately with Melrache twice on the same day.