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[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
(1) If there is no option where Shepard stays alive and human. Transhuman is acceptable and actually preferable, as long as humanity follows, but anything forced on me that even remotely reeks of "ascending to a higher plane of existence" (example: Deus Ex' Helios ending) is a cutoff. If it's one option of several, that's ok and I would like that it's there.

Interesting. Why is retaining his humanity so important to you? I have no objection to what you're saying and the more options the better. But I am curious.

Extremely simple: I want an option for a future where Miranda and Shepard are together. Be it as humans, or something a little more-than-human, doesn't matter. Any "ascension" is only acceptable if Miranda comes along. (Edit: and neither do I want anything equivalent to Deus Ex's "new dark age" ending to be the only one with that option)

Edit:
And here is Miranda looking at the person responsible for her sidelining. Believe me, you don't want that look aimed at you..

I like her expression in this shot, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:23 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
*is skeptical*

Yeah, no kidding

Anyway, as a senior writer, Weekes is likely working on core characters that are important to the story. So, it's not really news, of course, because of the leak, but it tends to confirm Miranda's after-thought status (probably handed off to a more junior writer, except for the scene or two in the critical path written by Walters).

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:01 .

[jtav]

Yeah. To be honest, our problems are pretty high level, decisions that would have been made by Walters or Hudson.

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Though really I take it as a sign of it being incomplete. But I am an optimist when it comes to this.Other things I'm far more pessimistic about.

May I ask what that is you're pessimistic about?

@flemm:
I'm not fixed on a certain writer. But that may explain why a few lines don't sound like Miranda. Not that many, though. As for the "great story", we'll see. *is skeptical*

My rants on TCR should give you a hint.

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

some technology will get branded just depends on what happens with them in the end of the game. (for instance genetic engineering could become positive with the actions of miranda or other genetic engineered people) it will likely try to make as much of our desicions will have a positive outcome.

The question of course is: what is a positive outcome, apart from most of the galaxy being saved from Reaperization? 

simply such technology is socially acceptable now and people are less anti about such notion and are more willing to allow such practices more openly.

Krogans show there true value, Geth no longer feared, Rachni are welcomed into the Galatic community but most importantly we show miranda is important to us.

Modifié par TomY90, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:15 .

[Ieldra]

TomY90 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

some technology will get branded just depends on what happens with them in the end of the game. (for instance genetic engineering could become positive with the actions of miranda or other genetic engineered people) it will likely try to make as much of our desicions will have a positive outcome.

The question of course is: what is a positive outcome, apart from most of the galaxy being saved from Reaperization? 

simply such technology is socially acceptable now and people are less anti about such notion and are more willing to allow such practices more openly.

Well yes....that's what you and me think is a positive outcome. But what do the writers think? That's what matters more.

Krogans show there true value, Geth no longer feared, Rachni are welcomed into the Galatic community but most importantly we show miranda is important to us.

Hopefully we'll get that option.

@Ryzaki:
Ah...I see. You have my complete agreement. This should never have happened.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:28 .

[wright1978]

I keep checking in here in the hope that there will some good news. Instead more bad news just rolls in.

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

some technology will get branded just depends on what happens with them in the end of the game. (for instance genetic engineering could become positive with the actions of miranda or other genetic engineered people) it will likely try to make as much of our desicions will have a positive outcome.

The question of course is: what is a positive outcome, apart from most of the galaxy being saved from Reaperization? 

simply such technology is socially acceptable now and people are less anti about such notion and are more willing to allow such practices more openly.

Well yes....that's what you and me think is a positive outcome. But what do the writers think? That's what matters more.

Krogans show there true value, Geth no longer feared, Rachni are welcomed into the Galatic community but most importantly we show miranda is important to us.

Hopefully we'll get that option.

We know the writers do think like that considering what they were talking about in Dragon Age 2 considering were in a sense nodding to racial discrimation throughout the game. And they do pay attention to history and know that advances do become socially acceptable for instance people used to think science was heresy that was punished by death.

Look at the computer they were believed to be nothing more than a work tool that nobody would have them at home, but look now they are everywhere and the writers know this fact and no way will they ignore that through mass effect 3.

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

I keep checking in here in the hope that there will some good news. Instead more bad news just rolls in.

In fairness, it's not really additional bad news, though I think it probably decreases the likelihood of there being any Miranda content beyond the one mission, other than perhaps an appearance of some sort at the endgame.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

I keep checking in here in the hope that there will some good news. Instead more bad news just rolls in.

In fairness, it's not really additional bad news, though I think it probably decreases the likelihood of there being any Miranda content beyond the one mission, other than perhaps an appearance of some sort at the endgame.

It is another nail in the coffin of any faint hopes i had of Miranda getting more than a glamourised cameo.

[TomY90]

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

I keep checking in here in the hope that there will some good news. Instead more bad news just rolls in.

In fairness, it's not really additional bad news, though I think it probably decreases the likelihood of there being any Miranda content beyond the one mission, other than perhaps an appearance of some sort at the endgame.

thats saying there is always DLC look at how amazing Liar of the shadowbroker was.

[Vertigo_1]

Which was done for a character with plot armor...they wouldn't do that for Miranda.

[flemm]

TomY90 wrote...

thats saying there is always DLC look at how amazing Liar of the shadowbroker was.

Heh, well, Miranda is going to have had multiple possible death scenarios by the end of ME3. The only possible DLC would be like a story about her early life, but honestly, ME3 was the place to make Miranda content happen, to the extent that Bioware was at all interested in doing so.

Edit: Basically what Vertigo said.

Modifié par flemm, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Barquiel]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
*is skeptical*

Yeah, no kidding

Anyway, as a senior writer, Weekes is likely working on core characters that are important to the story. So, it's not really news, of course, because of the leak, but it tends to confirm Miranda's after-thought status (probably handed off to a more junior writer, except for the scene or two in the critical path written by Walters).

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Liara is probably the most important character (storywise) and she has a new writer as well (Sylvia Feketekuty).

[flemm]

Barquiel wrote...

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Liara is probably the most important character (storywise) and she has a new writer as well (Sylvia Feketekuty).

Granted, as a general thing. But, the situations are different overall. Liara likely needs a separate writer due to sheer amount of content.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:48 .

[TomY90]

flemm wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

thats saying there is always DLC look at how amazing Liar of the shadowbroker was.

Heh, well, Miranda is going to have had multiple possible death scenarios by the end of ME3. The only possible DLC would be like a story about her early life, but honestly, ME3 was the place to make Miranda content happen, to the extent that Bioware was at all interested in doing so. I'm not seeing any sign of that. No matter how you look at it, one mission is going to be a pretty pathetic effort. 

Edit: Basically what Vertigo said.

true but thats saying she survived the most out of all of the characters in ME2 so the odds of her being around in ME3 is pretty high and not forgetting the amount of people they are hoping will be joining the franchise in ME3 will enable them to do more specific DLC content.

and if need be they can always make it that if she did not survive you either have someone else in her place or shepard gets the intel elsewhere for the mission

[Ieldra]

You know, I'm still having trouble believing she won't be at *spoiler location*. That would, indeed, be pathetic. I could live with one "main" mission as long as her full story covers significantly more and she puts in one or two more plot-related appearances.

Anyway, I'll wait and see. But how this is handled will pretty much determine how much trust I'll put in Bioware's storytelling in future.

As for DLC, I would be extremely surprised if there ever was a Miranda-themed DLC. It could be done if it featured an early part of her story arc, but there are games where she's dead from ME2, and Strahovski's probably rather expensive as well.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[HiroVoid]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes didn't write Miranda this time:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/142655297826193410
"Is it still to early to ask if you are writing Miranda for #ME3? I asked before: twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118096730133757953"

"I didn't write Miranda this time. Offered some advice to help an already-great story, though."

Wasn't expecting an answer since I didn't get one last time but there it is.

Wait.  Weekes wrote Miranda?  The same guy that wrote Mordin, Tali, Garrus, and a good bit of Liara(and LOSB) in ME2?

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Extremely simple: I want an option for a future where Miranda and Shepard are together. Be it as humans, or something a little more-than-human, doesn't matter. Any "ascension" is only acceptable if Miranda comes along.

Well I think I can safely say I have never agreed with you more:D. Except for the Deus Ex bit. Haven't played it so I don't know if what you're referencing is acceptable.

Also love the pic. Miranda's got a bit of red eye though, Terminator-style. Which could actually make it more awesome.

flemm: The content being locked at this point in no way makes the leak any more valid. So I don't think this decreases any chances of new content. At least not any lower than they already were given the time remaining before release. It just means any further feedback is now truly useless.

[wright1978]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes didn't write Miranda this time:

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/142655297826193410
"Is it still to early to ask if you are writing Miranda for #ME3? I asked before: twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/118096730133757953"

"I didn't write Miranda this time. Offered some advice to help an already-great story, though."

Wasn't expecting an answer since I didn't get one last time but there it is.

Vertigo_1, have you asked him who is her new writer?

[HiroVoid]

Anyone thinking Miranda taking over Cerberus in a more 'Human advancement' way would be an awesome conclusion for both Cerberus and Miranda?

[Vertigo_1]

wright1978 wrote...
Vertigo_1, have you asked him who is her new writer?

Yes, waiting to see if he answers or not.

[jtav]

HiroVoid wrote...

Anyone thinking Miranda taking over Cerberus in a more 'Human advancement' way would be an awesome conclusion for both Cerberus and Miranda?

Oh, we want it. I am, however, increasingly doubtful that we'll get it.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Lenimph wrote...

Just dropping in to tell you all I named my new hamster Miranda.

Sweet!

[Ieldra]

HiroVoid wrote...
Anyone thinking Miranda taking over Cerberus in a more 'Human advancement' way would be an awesome conclusion for both Cerberus and Miranda?

Though not liked by everyone, this is actually one of our favorite endings, which was brought up first almost immediately after ME2 came out. Almost the most discussed ending of all. Bioware appears most reluctant to implement it, for some utterly incomprehensible reason.

Apparently they don't want any of their Shepard-allied characters tainted by Cerberus' contagious aura aura of evil. *derisive snort"