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[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

flemm: The content being locked at this point in no way makes the leak any more valid. So I don't think this decreases any chances of new content. At least not any lower than they already were given the time remaining before release. It just means any further feedback is now truly useless.

Well, just as a point of information, I didn't comment on the content being locked, that was a point jtav made. I'm sure that's accurate, except for some finishing touches. But you're right in the sense that what we don't know is how much the leaked script has changed in the meanwhile.

HiroVoid wrote...

Anyone thinking Miranda taking over Cerberus in a more 'Human advancement' way would be an awesome conclusion for both Cerberus and Miranda?

It's an idea that comes up a lot. I personally like the concept, for what it's worth.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[CrutchCricket]

HiroVoid wrote...

Anyone thinking Miranda taking over Cerberus in a more 'Human advancement' way would be an awesome conclusion for both Cerberus and Miranda?

Oh I'm thinking bigger than just taking over Cerberus (or reforming a similar organization with a better mission statement). That's just the opening act.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Extremely simple: I want an option for a future where Miranda and Shepard are together. Be it as humans, or something a little more-than-human, doesn't matter. Any "ascension" is only acceptable if Miranda comes along.

Well I think I can safely say I have never agreed with you more:D. Except for the Deus Ex bit. Haven't played it so I don't know if what you're referencing is acceptable.

In Deux Ex, the protagonist has the option to merge with an AI to rule the world as a neutral institution standing above all, to destroy global communications technology initiating a new dark age and a third ending which is irrelevant in this context. You can easily imagine the ME equivalents. Both are not acceptable for the future I envision, for different reasons.

Also love the pic. Miranda's got a bit of red eye though, Terminator-style. Which could actually make it more awesome.

She always has the red eye in this scene. In the older version of this shot I retouched it, but it doesn't have the high-res outfit. I'll correct this mistake soon. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 08:45 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
In Deux Ex, the protagonist has the option to merge with an AI to rule the world as a neutral institution standing above all, to destroy global communications technology initiating a new dark age and a third ending which is irrelevant in this context. You can easily imagine the ME equivalents. Both are not acceptable for the future I envision, for different reasons.

But you said if Miranda could ascend as well you'd be fine. So what if Miranda merged with you and the AI?

[jtav]

Part of that happy ending means retaining baseline human psychology. Shepard has to retain the capacity to love and be loved.

[wright1978]

HiroVoid wrote...

Anyone thinking Miranda taking over Cerberus in a more 'Human advancement' way would be an awesome conclusion for both Cerberus and Miranda?

Yep i want this option.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Part of that happy ending means retaining baseline human psychology. Shepard has to retain the capacity to love and be loved.

There's your answer, CrutchCricket. Well, strictly spoken, not exactly baseline human psychology, since non-humans can love and be loved too, but you get what I mean. 

Basically, my requirements are these:
(1) I want Miranda and Shepard at approximately the same power level. Doesn't matter where that is. Actually, a bit beyond the rest of humanity would be welcome.
(2) I want them to be able to love each other
(3) I want technology to advance, not to regress.

Hmm....I am suddenly reminded of one of my old favorite book series, the "Wars of Vis" trilogy by Tanith Lee. Great writer, btw. Everyone should read all her 75 or so books.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 09:02 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hmm. I guess I'd be more accepting of that sort of ending, though I do also want a traditional happy ending. So back to "give us options" I guess.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Part of that happy ending means retaining baseline human psychology. Shepard has to retain the capacity to love and be loved.

Good answer, especially the second part. At the end of the day, super beings, higher life-forms, etc., well... they're just not that interesting.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Hmm. I guess I'd be more accepting of that sort of ending, though I do also want a traditional happy ending. So back to "give us options" I guess.

Definitely. I'd take different options with my different Shepards. My main maleShep wants a future with Miranda. My main femShep likely won't have any human connections important to her left in the end (strange how my female protagonists often end up that way ever since BG2) and might take an "ascension"-type ending. As long as it doesn't mean joining with the Reapers and continuing the cycle *shudder*. That type of ascension does not appear attractive *understatement of the year*.

@flemm:
I'm definitely not against "higher life forms" as long as that doesn't mean anything spiritual. After all, what lies at the end of human advancement but some kind of ascension. But the ability to connect with each other in meaningful ways, including something recognizeably akin to love, should be retained, and I wouldn't want Cyrus Shepard to be up there alone. Do you know the transcendence ending of "Alpha Centauri"? That's one of my favorite game endings.

Edit:
Just found a video of that ending. Why does the site of that secret project look like the Prothean site on Eletania.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 09:24 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Good answer, especially the second part. At the end of the day, super beings, higher life-forms, etc., well... they're just not that interesting.

Speak for yourself:P

[jtav]

Does anyone want one last teaser for Shadow War? The final installment should be up in a few days. I have to apologize in advance to Ieldra for scrapping the concept I was racking my brain over.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Does anyone want one last teaser for Shadow War? The final installment should be up in a few days. I have to apologize in advance to Ieldra for scrapping the concept I was racking my brain over.

Too bad, but Elyvern will make up for it with C7 of Degrees Of Inheritance I'm sure. And yes, I'd like an excerpt.

[Ryzaki]

CrutchCricket wrote...

flemm wrote...
Good answer, especially the second part. At the end of the day, super beings, higher life-forms, etc., well... they're just not that interesting.

Speak for yourself:P

Agreed.

If the opiton is there my Shep would totally make himself a god. Well...renedouche would.

[CrutchCricket]

Envisioned Endings (or really beginnings of new story):

Happily ever after: Shepard and Miranda together in a normal life, leaving all of this behind them, only needing each other (I suspect you wouldn't like this one)
Awesome Ending (happy): I may have mentioned details before but I'll keep them to myself this time around. Basically both are in positions of power extending across the galaxy, each doing what they do best. They still find time for themselves.
Awesome Ending (broken up): Same except relationship doesn't end up working out. There are variations on this.
Awesome Ending (sad): Shepard dies but Miranda goes on with the same position. Shepard's image is used for his role even though the man himself is dead. Alternatively Miranda dies.

Bad Ending (everyone dies): But Reapers are still defeated
Worse Ending (nearly everyone dies but Shepard and a select few who do their own version of Ilos)
Worst Ending: Reapers win completely everyone dies.

The last three I expect may be rendered obsolete by ME3 and there's really not much to continue beyond that (except maybe the Ilos one)

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 décembre 2011 - 09:30 .

[Vertigo_1]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
Vertigo_1, have you asked him who is her new writer?

Yes, waiting to see if he answers or not.

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/142717326188490752
"Can you say who wrote her this time? or is that too much to ask =P"

"Sorry, I don't out other writers. Not 'til after we ship, anyway. :D"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 02 décembre 2011 - 09:40 .

[Ieldra]

@CrutchCricket:
Very conventional 
This from the person who said he wouldn't mind some kind of "ascension" ending. My preferred ending would include some kind of advancement to a transhumanist culture. Miranda and Shepard would be its forerunners.

BTW, Yvonne Strahovski tweeted she shot the last scene of "Chuck" yesterday.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[wright1978]

I think the potential happy endings at the beginning of the thread still are what i want.
1) convince Miranda her original goals were right and you and her re-build shattered Cerberus.(TIW)
2) convince Miranda to help humanity re-build via a Foundation type ending.
3) Ride into sunset ending.

So we're not going to find out who her writer is. Better restrain myself from a bitter and sarcastic comment.

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/142717326188490752
"Can you say who wrote her this time? or is that too much to ask =P"

"Sorry, I don't out other writers. Not 'til after we ship, anyway. :D"

Thanks, Vertigo.

[Vertigo_1]

Well Mac Walters did have a hand in her writing (some dialogue).

And he did review several scenes with her.

[naledgeborn]

When Vertigo types, all reads!

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@CrutchCricket:
Very conventional 
This from the person who said he wouldn't mind some kind of "ascension" ending. My preferred ending would include some kind of advancement to a transhumanist culture. Miranda and Shepard would be its forerunners.

BTW, Yvonne Strahovski tweeted she shot the last scene of "Chuck" yesterday.

It may appear that way without details. But there is more to this, trust me. And while Miranda's goal may be human advancement, I'm thinking...further.

As for shooting the last Chuck scene... bittersweet news. It means she can now focus on Miranda but... I'm really getting into Chuck now too (still on season 3, please don't spoil). Oh well. Both were bound to end eventually.

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well Mac Walters did have a hand in her writing (some dialogue).

And he did review several scenes with her.

Yeah, as I understand it, he would be likely to write the part of Miranda's role that falls in the "critical path," so that dialog he is referring to is probably the one with *spoiler character*, due to its plot relevance.

Most of the rest of it would be somebody else, though, in all likelihood.

Ieldra2 wrote...

 Do you know the transcendence ending of "Alpha Centauri"? That's one of my favorite game endings.

Don't actually know that one, no. I don't oppose the idea of some type of "ascension" as an ending, in any event (though I would prefer it to not be the only good ending).

But that's because the characters don't really have to stay interesting past the ending.

Modifié par flemm, 02 décembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW, Yvonne Strahovski tweeted she shot the last scene of "Chuck" yesterday.

Though she mentioned 5 more days in her tweet too...no idea what that means:
twitter.com/#!/Y_Strahovski/status/142356701042061313

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Though she mentioned 5 more days in her tweet too...no idea what that means:
twitter.com/#!/Y_Strahovski/status/142356701042061313

That they're not filming the scenes in order, probably.