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[CrutchCricket]

Ryzaki wrote...
He just doesn't like her deciding what was right for his life. She had no right to do that in his eyes.

Ah but here it can be argued that it's not "what's right for his life" but rather "life is right". And of course Cerberus made that same decision (in fact, made it before she did). Of course you can persist either way but we've derailed long enough. Miranda thread needs more Miranda content.

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@AresXX7:
Ironic? That doesn't begin to describe it. If there was ever an old team member who should get prime screen time in ME3 given the setup, it's Miranda. More than any other, really. Instead, we get....a nobody like Garrus? WTF? Don't remind me of that.....I could explode.

I think our only hope as of this moment is to hope that Bioware hears our pleas and delivers a bigger, better, "awesomer" DLC with Miranda, similar to Lair Of The Shadow Broker.

I could be...................fine with that, I think, it would be something at least.

[Ryzaki]

TomY90 wrote...

if you recall it was the illusive man who decided to do that when he said 'see to it at any cost' and ordered Miranda to bring shepard back.

so she was just following orders, she was just determined to not to fail because she never wants to fail at what she does.

so in reality it shouldnt be Miranda shepard should get unhappy with she was just following orders it is Liara and the illusive man if shepard is to get cross with shepard should do.

Miranda was Cerberus and following orders (but he's not all that happy with her either honestly). Liara is the one who handed over his body knowing full well what Cerberus had put him through (He's a sole survivor) and then acted like she had no other choice. She was with him when he was destroying Cerberus bases and when he discovered Kohaku. (Well...the paragade at least.) So yes she gets a lot more flak for her part in the situation as far as he's concerned.

TIM is on his s*** list by default. 

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ah but here it can be argued that
it's not "what's right for his life" but rather "life is right". And of
course Cerberus made that same decision (in fact, made it before she
did). Of course you can persist either way but we've derailed long
enough. Miranda thread needs more Miranda content.

Ah but life isn't necessarily right. What if cerberus had gone ahead and put that control chip in? What kind of life would that be? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] Seems more like a "I must scream" fate to me. But yes enough derailing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:41 .

[CrutchCricket]

On the topic of Miranda DLC I don't think Miranda possibly being dead would be that much of an impediment. All the DLC (at least for ME2) has shown up as missions on your journal just like reg game content. If Miranda is dead, it just wouldn't show up, even if you had it installed. And if you want a Miranda DLC it makes sense you want Miranda alive.
Getting Yvonne back would be a bigger problem.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:37 .

[The Elder King]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

flemm wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I think the SM really screwed things up for ME3. Miranda for sure would've had a much bigger role.

Well, the Suicide Mission was doubtless a poor design choice for a number of reasons.

That said, the leaked script (and almost certainly the game) will show that a *might be dead* character can still be important, and even have her/his importance increased with respect to the prior game, with a lot of screen time, presence on the squad, and everything else. So, if Miranda is sidelined in the final product, it will have occured simply because the devs felt like sidelining her, and for no other reason.

The issue with the SM is that I seriously get the feeling that this is going to happen:

Shepard: Who are you?

Character: I'm the generic replacement character for *insert party member name here*. I have no discerable character traits other than being the person who advances the story so you can finish this mission.

Shepard: But I was told that losing people on the Suicide Mission would have an impact on the story!

Character: Well I'm sorry to disappoint you friend, but I'm that impact. Maybe if you go back and get through the Suicide Mission without losing *insert party member name here*  you'd enjoy the story more.

Shepard: But what about having the ability to choose my own path in this series?

Character: Oh, there are choices, you just chose poorly.

Sadly, this.
Btw, I've read some of writing in this thread and I want to say that you're great.

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
@AresXX7:
Ironic? That doesn't begin to describe it. If there was ever an old team member who should get prime screen time in ME3 given the setup, it's Miranda. More than any other, really. Instead, we get....a nobody like Garrus? WTF? Don't remind me of that.....I could explode.

I think our only hope as of this moment is to hope that Bioware hears our pleas and delivers a bigger, better, "awesomer" DLC with Miranda, similar to Lair Of The Shadow Broker.

I could be...................fine with that, I think, it would be something at least.

That's not what I'm hoping, actually. What I hope is that Bioware makes Miranda's story arc awesome. The missing parts of her content in the leaked material have a pattern - the parts connected to the main plot aren't there even where we can infer with certainty they must exist. So there will be more than we have seen. We just don't know how much and what. The possible minimum variant would make for a forgettable story arc, derail Miranda's character and feature at least one inexcusable omission, the possible maximum variant would feature an extension of at least one existing conversation to include more plot-related stuff, include her presence at one location where the leaked stuff doesn't show her to be present and a sizeable endgame contribution and would, all in all, have the potentail to be absolutely awesome. We all hope that her final story arc will be closer to the maximum than the minimum.

In the end, Miranda is not much of a follower, I'm fine with her doing things on her own away from Shepard for most of the game, as long as her offscreen story arc is good, as long as we can interact with her in-between - which we can - and for the part of the story where Shepard doesn't deal directly with Cerberus. As soon as the plot starts to deal with Cerberus directly, however, Miranda must come in in some capacity, and she must do so at least partly on-screen. The structure leaves space for that, and I hope Bioware has done something with that space.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:59 .

[naledgeborn]

Your hope might ring true Ieldra, but I'm losing faith in BW's capability of consistent and non-biased writing. I'm jaded by the whole thing truth be told. Whether it's the characterization of the different organizations and ___tagonists or the consistency of the different plot arcs they just keep dropping the ball IMO. Whatever the reasons I just keep losing with these guys. Kind of hard to "hope for the best" with Miranda. Rather be delightfully surprised on 12/06/12 point than bitterly disappointed. But I'm leaning towards the latter happening as of right now,

[desispark]

Hey guys, first time posting on the bioware forums...just thought I'd put in my two cents. I've been going through the Miranda discussions for a while now (like most of you guys, she's my favourite character in ME)... and I'm pretty angry at how bioware is treating her character this time around. I still have hope that they will deliver in the end, but I'm getting more and more skeptical. In my opinion, Miranda is the key to the ENTIRE cerberus story arc and not having her at the TIM encounter just doesn't make any sense to me. She deserves alot more screen time than she is getting (according to the leaked scipt) and I think that cutting her out of some of these major plot points is a waste of a great opportunity to further develop her character. All we can do now though, I guess, is to hope that bioware did make some changes post-leak and gave Miranda some revisions. Anyways, all this has prety much been disccussed but just thought I'd vent for a bit. Keep it real.

Just a side note: I've noticed that the Miranda thread has more views and more replies than any other character in this forum......so who knows, maybe Bioware got the hint? 

Modifié par desispark, 05 décembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[feliciano2040]

naledgeborn wrote...

Your hope might ring true Ieldra, but I'm losing faith in BW's capability of consistent and non-biased writing. I'm jaded by the whole thing truth be told. Whether it's the characterization of the different organizations and ___tagonists or the consistency of the different plot arcs they just keep dropping the ball IMO. Whatever the reasons I just keep losing with these guys. Kind of hard to "hope for the best" with Miranda. Rather be delightfully surprised on 12/06/12 point than bitterly disappointed. But I'm leaning towards the latter happening as of right now,

Mass Effect is, without a doubt, both my favorite videogame franchise and science fiction series, ever.

But I can't help but think constantly that the guys at Bioware took a bite their mouth simply couldn't handle.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
That's not what I'm hoping, actually. What I hope is that Bioware makes Miranda's story arc awesome.

This really is the key regardless. DLC, while a nice idea, can't fill in the missing pieces from the end of Miranda's story arc, as those missing pieces have to involve stuff that happens during the main plot of the game.

Offscreen stuff can play a role, but it can only go so far, for basically the same reason. Really, Miranda should be on the squad for part of the game. But, barring that, then the key moments of her story arc need to happen on screen, and there's no reason why they shouldn't, given how the story is set up.

Modifié par flemm, 05 décembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[feliciano2040]

flemm wrote...

This really is the key regardless. DLC, while a nice idea, can't fill in the missing pieces from the end of Miranda's story arc, as those missing pieces have to involve stuff that happens during the main plot of the game.

You say this because you read the leak ? Or is it just speculation ?

[flemm]

feliciano2040 wrote...
You say this because you read the leak ? Or is it just speculation ?

Well, the leak definitely confirms that point of view, though I would have guessed that it would be true anyway.

Also, while you never know how the endings of the final version of the game will work out, I can say without spoiling anything that the ones in the leak are pretty... definitive. Not sure how post-game story-related DLC could really work for any character.

Modifié par flemm, 05 décembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That's not what I'm hoping, actually. What I hope is that Bioware makes Miranda's story arc awesome.

This really is the key regardless. DLC, while a nice idea, can't fill in the missing pieces from the end of Miranda's story arc, as those missing pieces have to involve stuff that happens during the main plot of the game.

Offscreen stuff can play a role, but it can only go so far, for basically the same reason. Really, Miranda should be on the squad for part of the game. But, barring that, then the key moments of her story arc need to happen on screen, and there's no reason why they shouldn't, given how the story is set up.

I agree I don't want all Miranda's info or what she's done explained offscreen.  That's not what I'd want!  I'd want to see and hear from her often.  I won't settle for anything but the best for Miranda!  That's her words!!  We shouldn't settle! Damn it!   

I was so hoping she'd be on the squad for a least a part of the game for the banter!!!  I want to see how Ash and her react towards each other.  I can speculate and write my own... but still...  it would be interesting.  I really think Liara and Miranda could be friends or even great friends??  Liara's also a favorite of mine as is Ash to some extent but was disppointed with what happened on horizon but understand where she's coming from.  It will be interesting to say the least how my maleshep acts towards her.

I guess we wait and find out.   BUT I agree the key moments of her story arc needs to happen on screen and not off.

[Burneye Is God]

anyone fancy sending me an email of the leek lol

[Dr. Doctor]

I don't think her role will be as small as we think. Whether she resigned from Cerberus or not she still has knowlege of the organization that can help keep Shepard a step ahead of TIM. Ideally, after meeting her face to face early on, every few missions we get a message from Miranda on the Quantum Entanglement Communicator giving us a location to strike in order to slow down TIM's war machine.

[naledgeborn]

Keyword being ideally, Doc. Which is not an adjective I'd use to describe the current direction of our not so friendly-neighborhood femme fatal.

[Dr. Doctor]

A leak is a leak, until I have the final product in my hands I'm not going to worry.

[wright1978]

My real worry at the moment is that they are trying to placate ME1 fans with squad roles and hoping ME2 fans will accept combat rolls(and other meaningless gameplay junk). I'm extremely worried Miranda isn't going to get the role i think she should and that people who liked me2 exclusive characters are going to get short shrift.

[flemm]

Well, the leak can legitimately make one wonder whether some key moments of Miranda's story will even happen on screen.

Forget stuff like being on the squad, or on the Normandy at any point.

So... that's either misleading due to some freak accident involving what precise version of the script was leaked, or it's completely ridiculous and insulting. We'll see.

[jtav]

Well, I can't do anything about the official version, but I can offer an alternative.

Epilogue

Never let it be said I don't do happy endings. They've earned it. And I still don't want to let Matt and Miranda/Claire go. There's more of me in this Miranda than their really should be.

Modifié par jtav, 06 décembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[enayasoul]

Good stuff Jtav! Nice Epilogue

Modifié par enayasoul, 06 décembre 2011 - 02:06 .

[clennon8]

Superbly done, jtav. You wrote an excellent story. Please continue Portrait.

[cyborg2501]

Nice ending jtav - I need to read more of your stuff it really is well done.

I haven't been on in a while so forgive me if this has already been brought up... but part of me believes the leak was intentional. I purposely haven't read the script.. Call me an optimist, but what's a better way for BW to get advance feedback on a possible plotline. We're giving them exactly what they want - feedback on characters that are probably challenging to write. And we're staying engaged with the game in a crucial period. This is how they involved their core fans in the creation process. I don't think we'll be let down

[jtav]

No way. If it was intentional, it would have been done months ago. The game's going to go gold in about six weeks.

[Dr. Doctor]

@jtav

Excellent work as always. I'd like to see Portrait continued.

In regards to ME3, I enjoyed the levels that I played in the beta demo and the squad AI now can fight effectively without me having to babysit them all the time. While there's the chance that the ME2 squad is disappointing it isn't as disappointing as it would be if the gamplay wasn't up to par.

Right now my biggest concern is who's going to be my squad's Sentinel in ME3. Miranda's combination of Overload, Warp, Slam, and that ever so useful Cerberus Officer perk are much handier than the standard issue Sentinel abillities that Kaidan offers in ME1. As it stands now without Kaiden I have two soldiers, an adept, and two infiltrators (counting my Shepard).