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[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I never thought her b*tchy. Distanced, yes. Cold, at times. Aloof, certainly.

If you prefer. Not really too hung up on the term. But, yes, that is the side I mean. You see it at the beginning, but you see it later, too, including after the LM. To me, both sides are important.

Modifié par flemm, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:07 .

[Ieldra]

Old motif from my current playthrough:


Hmm...wouldn't that be a nice place for a picnic with Miranda?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:07 .

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

No conclusion is irrefutable at this point. Best thing is to wait and see.

Indeed.

Though I really, REALLY don't want a "horizon encounter" type of deal with Miranda.

OK....we'll *definitely* have more than that.

Should I pressume you read the leaked script ?

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...
Personally, I'll miss Miranda's b*tchy side if it's not there in ME3. Emotional moments are great, too, but I like both.

I never thought her b*tchy. Distanced, yes. Cold, at times. Aloof, certainly. She's a person you connect to through your mind before you connect to her emotionally. I liked her from the start of the game for that reason. I say those people who only liked her after her LM like only half of her.

I fully agree with you.

[flemm]

There will definitely be more than a "Horizon" type of cameo appearance.

Though, oddly enough... *this is a spoiler*

Miranda's mission seems to take place on Horizon. Not really sure what's up with that.

[jtav]

She's beautiful and the cropping makes her look contemplative. It's the kind of thing that would make Matt long for his paintbrush.

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

No conclusion is irrefutable at this point. Best thing is to wait and see.

Indeed.

Though I really, REALLY don't want a "horizon encounter" type of deal with Miranda.

OK....we'll *definitely* have more than that.

Should I pressume you read the leaked script ?

Yes. But did you understand me? I said that Miranda won't be restricted to such an encounter, that she will have more content than that. Isn't that good news in comparison? The things we're occasionally complaining about are different - more about characterization, screen presence and plot relevance at a higher level.

[naledgeborn]

I'm not so friendly either. A lot like Wrex in that respect. And my Shepard is all but. So when I heard the "focus on the mission" line I knew I'd like her. Then she kind of did a 180, but it's excusable. Like jtav mentioned it's; it's in private.

[flemm]

I use the term "b*tchy" because occasionally you hear Miranda described as a b*tch in a pejorative way, whereas my reaction tends to be, yes, but I like that side of the character. That said, distant or aloof, as well as calculating at times... those are more accurate terms.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...


She's beautiful and the cropping makes her look contemplative. It's the kind of thing that would make Matt long for his paintbrush.

I was thinking exactly that. BTW, I find Matt inspiring - he's such an individual Shepard, unlike most I see in fanfics. I think I must find a character trait for Cyrus Shepard that's not connected to any themes touched in ME.

@flemm:
Nice top-of-the-page shot!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[The Elder King]

naledgeborn wrote...

I'm not so friendly either. A lot like Wrex in that respect. And my Shepard is all but. So when I heard the "focus on the mission" line I knew I'd like her. Then she kind of did a 180, but it's excusable. Like jtav mentioned it's; it's in private.

Me too. It's the same way when I met Mordin, or Wrex. And from some dialogues in the script, I'll love one certain new squadmate.

[ubermensch007]

hhh89 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...


If you choose Jack as the fire team leader, I find Miranda's comment totally appropriate. You've got to be kidding me, indeed.

True. I like Jack, but I'd never give her the command of part of my team. At least in ME2 (she seems more mature in ME3, putting aside her hate of Cerberus and Miranda).

Now hold on Ieldra2 and hh89: In defense of Subject Zero.If you talk to her and let her tell you about her service record.She and a team, stole a top notch starship.Jack and Co. also destroyed a space station.I found that as young as Jack is.She may very well have alot more field expeirence than Miranda does.As unlikely of a choice for leader of a Fire team that she is.She does a hell of alot better than some others.Granted I wasn't quick to choose her for this myself.But she didn't let me down.

Miranda's comment is "appropriate" in as much as one being prejuidiced towards Jack, based upon her look and attiude.But how good of a judge of charachetr and ability is Miranda, really.What she says to Jacob about his tech skills, is on point.But one of the thiongs that I found most annoying about miranda during the Suicide Mission (even though I like her) was her "ball hog" attitude!  Do you notice that during the Suicide Mission that Operative Lawson, never once suggest that anyone else should do anything of importance.She only ever volunteers herself.She's all, "I'll lead the second team and I can put up a biotic barrier too." And she wonders why no one wants to take orders from her  I mean... Who does that!? It's only when you get to the final leg of the Suicide Mission, that she ceases to volunteer herself for anything and just let's Shepard make up his own damn mind, about who should do what.That's progress, I guess. But that ball hog, anything you can do I can do better attitude of hers needs to go...

[flemm]

ubermensch007 wrote...
 Do you notice that during the Suicide Mission that Operative Lawson, never once suggest that anyone else should do anything of importance.She only ever volunteers herself.She's all, "I'll lead the second team and I can put up a biotic barrier too."

Factually speaking, that isn't accurate, though. She is the most qualified to lead the second fire team (can even do it if unloyal), but that's the only time she nominates herself. She says that the tech specialist should be... a tech specialist. And her advice on the biotic barrier is that any biotic could theoretically do it. This actually turns out to be accurate as well, it just doesn't produce best-case. It's not guaranteed that you still have a biotic specialist with you at that stage, as I recall, so it's also an important point to make from that perspective.

She's giving her opinion and providing an analysis of possible options, which is exactly what she should be doing.

Modifié par flemm, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:25 .

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

 I think I must find a character trait for Cyrus Shepard that's not connected to any themes touched in ME.

I HC my Shep as a basketball player. Miranda hates the post-game sweat. 

[Omega4RelayResident]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes. But did you understand me? I said that Miranda won't be restricted to such an encounter, that she will have more content than that. Isn't that good news in comparison? The things we're occasionally complaining about are different - more about characterization, screen presence and plot relevance at a higher level.

 
Yeah I agree... the Ash on Horizon encounter.... was lacking.... well.... everything and anything that would make me stay faithfull to Ash. I know this may have just been an error on the part of the writters and Ashe suffered from it. What is done is done and cant be undone... no matter how deep they go with Ash in ME3 I dont think I would ever be able to go back to her in my canon playthrough.

Even if Miranda is in fact only a character you run into a few times in the story as a side story.... I really hope they give her enough depth, content, and interaction in ME3 as they gave Liara with LotSB. That was a fair way of investing emotion and importance in the side story character in ME2.

[Omega4RelayResident]

ubermensch007 wrote...
Now hold on Ieldra2 and hh89: In defense of Subject Zero.If you talk to her and let her tell you about her service record.She and a team, stole a top notch starship.Jack and Co. also destroyed a space station.I found that as young as Jack is.She may very well have alot more field expeirence than Miranda does.As unlikely of a choice for leader of a Fire team that she is.She does a hell of alot better than some others.Granted I wasn't quick to choose her for this myself.But she didn't let me down.

Miranda's comment is "appropriate" in as much as one being prejuidiced towards Jack, based upon her look and attiude.But how good of a judge of charachetr and ability is Miranda, really.What she says to Jacob about his tech skills, is on point.But one of the thiongs that I found most annoying about miranda during the Suicide Mission (even though I like her) was her "ball hog" attitude!  Do you notice that during the Suicide Mission that Operative Lawson, never once suggest that anyone else should do anything of importance.She only ever volunteers herself.She's all, "I'll lead the second team and I can put up a biotic barrier too." And she wonders why no one wants to take orders from her  I mean... Who does that!? It's only when you get to the final leg of the Suicide Mission, that she ceases to volunteer herself for anything and just let's Shepard make up his own damn mind, about who should do what.That's progress, I guess. But that ball hog, anything you can do I can do better attitude of hers needs to go...

My solution was simple... take Jack and Miranda with me as squadmates for ALL of my playthroughs. Simple solution to shut them both up. Besides I trust Garrus to get the job done more than anyone else on this ship. Garrus ALWAYS led my second fire team. Garrus proved his WORTH over and over more times than I can count over any other ME Character other than Shep. Garrus is also the right mix of crazy solo gunman (Jack) and a do whatever it takes right attitude (Miranda) with a sprinkle of actually giving a damn about the people he supervised in combat.

I always thought that giving this chance for Garrus to lead people and lead them through the encounter and making sure they lived was a second chance to prove to himself that the whole mess on Omega was not because he was not good enough.

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes. But did you understand me? I said that Miranda won't be restricted to such an encounter, that she will have more content than that. Isn't that good news in comparison? The things we're occasionally complaining about are different - more about characterization, screen presence and plot relevance at a higher level.

I did understand you good sir...............................or lady !

Just wondered where you got your info and I thought about the leak.

Anyways, it is good news indeed to know that she will have more than the "Horizon encounter", good thing I didn't romance Ashley because that would've sucked.

For my part, I can't speculate on Miranda's role in ME3 with the same depth as you, at least not without reading the leak.

I can say however, that I do agree with many of the sentiments expressed by fans that it's simply ridiculous just how much Bioware favors Liara, I like her a lot, but I like Miranda a helluva lot more, and I don't see why I should have to worry about her making or not making an appearence that I can be satisfied with, call me naive, but when I finished my first ME 2 playthrough I thought I was going to have a ton of fun with Miranda on my squad in ME 3.

Then again, the greatest problem the Mass Effect series has always had is that Bioware (as Doctor Archer would say) is always grasping more than they can reach, they like to think that  the implemented choices matter and have an impact, and when fans think differently, they call them ungrateful, I'm looking at you Mister Hudson.

Modifié par feliciano2040, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[enayasoul]

We've talked about how Miranda envy's Mordin's work with the STG. Any idea how Miranda feels about Dr. Chakwas as another doctor on board the Normandy? We know Dr. Chakwas tells Shepard that she's working for him and not Cerberus. Do you think there is any distrust between Miranda and Dr. Chakwas? The Suicide Mission shows Miranda working hard on getting Dr. Chakwas out of that cocoon... and Miranda does suggest not sending anyone back with them to the Normandy.

Thoughts anyone?

[flemm]

Well, I don't have a very strong impression of Dr. Chakwas as a character, tbh. Has she appeared outside of the games, like in novels or whatever?

She comes across as very dedicated to her job, which I imagine Miranda would respect, but beyond that I don't feel like I know all that much about her.

[jtav]

I doubt she has much of an opinion either way. Chakwas is capable, but her primary reason for being on the Normandy is that she's a familiar face, not because she's SuperDoc. Miranda getting her out is done by any squad member in that role.

[naledgeborn]

flemm wrote...

Well, I don't have a very strong impression of Dr. Chakwas as a character, tbh. Has she appeared outside of the games, like in novels or whatever?

She comes across as very dedicated to her job, which I imagine Miranda would respect, but beyond that I don't feel like I know all that much about her.

Chakwas has been secretly siphoning Cerberus intel back to Alliance Command. Why do you think she's always reaching for the brandy? 

Edit: J/K... or not??

Modifié par naledgeborn, 07 décembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[flemm]

naledgeborn wrote...

Chakwas has been secretly siphoning Cerberus intel back to Alliance Command. Why do you think she's always reaching for the brandy? 

Damn, I never suspected a thing...

[feliciano2040]

flemm wrote...

Well, I don't have a very strong impression of Dr. Chakwas as a character, tbh. Has she appeared outside of the games, like in novels or whatever?

She comes across as very dedicated to her job, which I imagine Miranda would respect, but beyond that I don't feel like I know all that much about her.

I actually like Chakwas a lot, she was a lot like the mother figure of the crew ME 1, a role that was slightly lessened in ME 2.

For my part I think she should get a couple of better scenes in ME 3, show some "medical drama" of Chakwas in action, trying to save a squadmate for example.