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[wright1978]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nope she doubts him after he's selected for squad team leader something like "oh we'll see if you can handle it." or somesuch. I thought it was pretty rude myself.

Never got that line but her line doesn't seem that odd, since Shep is choosing her subordinate to take on a leadership role he's untested for.

[Ryzaki]

naledgeborn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


Nope she doubts him after he's selected for squad team leader something like "oh we'll see if you can handle it." or somesuch. I thought it was pretty rude myself.

I wouldn't say it's so much doubt as -- "I hope you're ready for this". She knows him best and they have a personal relationship. The comment isn't out of place.

Actually her knowing him makes the comment *more* out of place for me. Was he not in a leadership position already with her in tow? (not that she was subserviant to him but they seemed more like equals than anything). Wait was wrong about the striked out bit. Didn't realize he worked alone.

She of all people should know what he's capable of and yet completely misjudges him. It's not like it's anything new with Niket and all but it's still jarring.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm still baffled as to why Jacob can be picked for the vents in the first place.

Did BW just want to give people an easy way to kill him or something? 

It could be, especially considering how they treated him in the leaked script.

[naledgeborn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually her knowing him makes the comment *more* out of place for me. Was he not in a leadership position already with her in tow?

Actually no. Jacob's always been her subordinate in Cerberus' chain of command. And Jacob's never lead a team before. He was a spec-ops "lone wolf". 

[jtav]

He was on his own in Galaxy, and a glorified security guard on Lazarus. I think Miranda cares about him, but doesn't respect him.

[Ryzaki]

jtav wrote...

He was on his own in Galaxy, and a glorified security guard on Lazarus. I think Miranda cares about him, but doesn't respect him.

Which would explain why their relationship completely fell apart.

Wait...Jacob did all that stuff on galaxy on his own? ...they hide his badass from me?!?

[Ryzaki]

naledgeborn wrote...
Actually no. Jacob's always been her subordinate in Cerberus' chain of command. And Jacob's never lead a team before. He was a spec-ops "lone wolf". 

Alright then I was wrong on that account. I can't help it. That comment and the one after Samara just bug me to the core. Probably because her good judge of character comment. It's like the writers go out of their way to prove her wrong on that account.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...
I'm still baffled as to why Jacob can be picked for the vents in the first place.

Did BW just want to give people an easy way to kill him or something? 

It almost feels like that, indeed. The only selection without tech skills.

[jtav]

Thane is also selectable, though he makes a certain amount of sense considering his RM.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah he has to go crawling through ducts pretty quickly.

Jacob though...the mind boggles.

I guess Garrus is too big or something?

[MisterJB]

Ryzaki wrote...

I just find it out of place for her to offer an inferior alternative when there's one that's superior. It's a stupid statement as far as I'm concerned.  . It's like someone looking at a gaming computer and there's one with a GTX 590 and another with a with a GTX360 and she goes "well in theory the 360 could run the game too..." uh...yeah but we have the 590 which we *know* will work far better so who cares?
 At best I see her scrambling to put in unneeded input at worse trying to subtly get Shep to pick her instead. Either way it doesn't look good. (And I'm aware of metagaming info but that doesn't stop the line from being dumb to me as I'm sure some of the people who hear her betrayal line feel).

The difference is that the action will not be restricted to a biotic holding a bubble. They will be attacked and the fire team will have their own job to do.
Samara is an extremely powerful and experienced figther so, maybe Shepard would rather have her provide support while another biotic holds the barrier?

Basically, I see it as a way for the game to say: "You don't have to take Samara if you are used to have her on squad. Theoretically, the other biotics can do just fine." 

Nope she doubts him after he's selected for squad team leader something like "oh we'll see if you can handle it." or somesuch. I thought it was pretty rude myself.

I don't see why. He only works as a Fire Team leader if he is Loyal, which is something that changed during the course of this mission so, Miranda had good reasons to doubt him. There is a reason she is an officer while he is an operative.
I considered it simply another way of showcasing their history. Perhaps Jacob asked for a leading position on Cerberus but TIM stuck him on security duty on Lazarus instead. Maybe under Miranda's recommendation, even.

[HK-90210]

hhh89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm still baffled as to why Jacob can be picked for the vents in the first place.

Did BW just want to give people an easy way to kill him or something? 

It could be, especially considering how they treated him in the leaked script.

The claims about Jacob's path in ME3 are actually quite mistaken. A lot of lines are taken out of context, and the scricpt is unfinished and confusing. I've outlined it here: http://social.biowar...scussion/17950/ , but beware, MAJOR SPOILERS.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[Ryzaki]

MisterJB wrote...
The difference is that the action will not be restricted to a biotic holding a bubble. They will be attacked and the fire team will have their own job to do.
Samara is an extremely powerful and experienced figther so, maybe Shepard would rather have her provide support while another biotic holds the barrier?

Basically, I see it as a way for the game to say: "You don't have to take Samara if you are used to have her on squad. Theoretically, the other biotics can do just fine."

So it's better to risk the bubble failing than use another capable fighter? Every single person on the squad is highly skilled at fighting everyone is NOT highly skilled at biotics. Seeing as since the bubble failing = instant gory death via being torn apart by Seeker Swarms I don't see Miranda making that suggestion. If anything she'd suggest the opposite.

I find the selection screen making that suggestion. And whenever someone that's not a mentor says theoretically about other people's abilities (that's not an antagonist) I usually tune them out. It almost always ends up backfiring.

I don't see why. He only works as a Fire Team leader if he is Loyal, which is something that changed during the course of this mission so, Miranda had good reasons to doubt him. There is a reason she is an officer while he is an operative.
I considered it simply another way of showcasing their history. Perhaps Jacob asked for a leading position on Cerberus but TIM stuck him on security duty on Lazarus instead. Maybe under Miranda's recommendation, even.

People she accept only work as a Fire Team leader if they're loyal so I don't see how that works. Even she fails if she's not loyal.

Harsh but likely.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[flemm]

Ryzaki wrote...

Alright then I was wrong on that account. I can't help it. That comment and the one after Samara just bug me to the core. Probably because her good judge of character comment. It's like the writers go out of their way to prove her wrong on that account.

I don't think her comment to Jacob is a sign that she judged his character poorly at all. It's more a challenge because she knows this is important and significant to him. If anything, I think this could/should have been emphasized more as part of Jacob's character arc, since his LM is all about how his father turned out to be unfit for command.

The biotic specialist dialog is not a character judgment issue at all, just an assessment of the available options.

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...

I don't think her comment to Jacob is a sign the she judged his character poorly at all. It's more a challenge because she knows this is important and significant to him. If anything, I think this could/should have been emphasized more as part of Jacob's character arc, since his LM is all about how his father turned out to be unfit for command.

The biotic specialist dialog is not a character judgment issue at all, just an assessment of the available options.

To me it was about her tone of voice. It just sounded rude to me. More of a "I hope you're ready for this I doubt you are though." but that's probably just me.

You're right it's not even if I think it's a needless assessment in that scenario.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:40 .

[MisterJB]

Ryzaki wrote...
So it's better to risk the bubble failing than use another capable fighter? Seeing as since the bubble failing = instant gory death via being torn apart by Seeker Swarms. I don't see Miranda making that suggestion.

If Samara gets shot by a Collector, the bubble will fall out. I don't see Miranda suggesting any of the squadmates if she didn't think they could make it across.

People she accept only work as a Fire Team leader if they're loyal so I don't see how that works. Even she fails if she's not loyal.

I think if you pick Garrus, she just says that "At least, he will have some experience" which could be seen as having some doubts rather than accepting him.
It's probrably why she suggested herself in the first place. Miranda performs flawlessly as Fire Team leader, even if unloyal.

[Ryzaki]

MisterJB wrote...
If Samara gets shot by a Collector, the bubble will fall out. I don't see Miranda suggesting any of the squadmates if she didn't think they could make it across.

Which is exactly why Samara takes cover while the other fighters provide cover fire and make sure no one reaches her. The whole thing is based off a giant "maybe this'll work." why on earth would you want to lower the likelihood of something that already is "maybe". I don't see any logical person doing that.

I think if you pick Garrus, she just says that "At least, he will have some experience" which could be seen as having some doubts rather than accepting him.
It's probrably why she suggested herself in the first place. Miranda performs flawlessly as Fire Team leader, even if unloyal.

I'm pretty sure Tech gets shot in the face if Miranda is unloyal.

Garrus. I hardly hear that comment. Garrus is with me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:48 .

[Nashiktal]

Tech does get shot in the face. The only "perks" miranda gets while unloyal in incredible durability. She can die, but she "cheats" to survive.

I don't know if that is supposed to be a comment on her ability, or just a "Safety net" for players so they don't get the bad ending.

I'd be annoyed if it was supposed to be a comment on her abilities though. She is great, but there are plenty of squademates who are just as capable as she is.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Just have to ask here: who actually picks Jacob to lead the team anyway? I mean, really.

I do. All the time.

Garrus is with my squad and some squaddies don't trust Miranda. My Shep doesn't want that to be a problem (sure it ends up just fine but Shep doesn't know that).

[MisterJB]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

It's probrably why she suggested herself in the first place. Miranda performs flawlessly as Fire Team leader, even if unloyal.

Tell that to poor Legion who just took a rocket to the face.

I stand corrected.

[Ryzaki]

Nashiktal wrote...

Tech does get shot in the face. The only "perks" miranda gets while unloyal in incredible durability. She can die, but she "cheats" to survive.

I don't know if that is supposed to be a comment on her ability, or just a "Safety net" for players so they don't get the bad ending.

I'd be annoyed if it was supposed to be a comment on her abilities though. She is great, but there are plenty of squademates who are just as capable as she is.

I'm pretty sure it's a "cheapness" net because the devs didn't want to bother putting in other variations of squaddies giving her suggestions. Thus when she has no more suggestions to give she can kick the bucket.