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[flemm]

I'm not too attached to Miranda's goals being "human advancement" per se, it's just useful as a contrast to "human domination." We know Miranda's not xenophobic and has no problem working with and alongside other species. We also know she would do whatever is necessary to protect humanity. And that she has considerable gifts as a scientist and operative that she would logically want to put to good use in the name of protecting humanity, as well as contributing to galactic civilisation and scientific progress.

So, there's a lot of stuff I could see her doing. But her skill set seems especially suited to founding "Humanity's STG," whether that be under the name "Cerberus" for narrative elegance, or under a new name, because TIM's vision of what Cerberus should be never really matched her own.

In the context of ME3, what I think we should see, in some form, is the beginning of that new organisation, which would get its start as a faction that Miranda puts together to help defeat the Reapers. Possibly by assembling the various rebellious Cerberus cells that are scattered about the galaxy. Or by other means.

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 09:49 .

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

We all know that. The question is: does Bioware know that? Or rather more to the point: does Bioware think the cause of human advancement is so tainted by Cerberus that it must be abandoned together with the organization?

I'm really afraid of that black and white morality raising its ugly head again, destroying the nuances of characters in the process. I know Bioware in general can present a more subtle picture. I'm just not too confident in the willingness of the ME team to do it.

I'm pretty sure BW realizes that. They're not stupid. As for human advancement not sure. I doubt they'll just let it go though. More than Cerberus wanted humans to stand on their own.

I'm not that afraid of everything being black and white based off the leak. It looks pretty grey save Cerberus. But they were almost always portrayed as black. (or at best a grey so dark it looked like black if you squinted) so that's just BW being...BW.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 09:47 .

[feliciano2040]

flemm wrote...

In the context of ME3, what I think we should see, in some form, is the beginning of that new organisation, which would get its start as a faction that Miranda puts together to help defeat the Reapers. Possibly by assembling the various rebellious Cerberus cells that are scattered about the galaxy. Or by other means.

Awesome sauce is awesome.

That would make for a really great Miranda-themed DLC, Shepard could accompany her in securing a group of cells that have seceded from TIM's command, thus enabling humanity to have her own organization to counter the STG and the commandos.

[desispark]

flemm wrote...
In the context of ME3, what I think we should see, in some form, is the beginning of that new organisation, which would get its start as a faction that Miranda puts together to help defeat the Reapers. Possibly by assembling the various rebellious Cerberus cells that are scattered about the galaxy. Or by other means.

THIS needs to happen. Also, slightly random...but less than 3 months to release!

[feliciano2040]

desispark wrote...

less than 3 months to release!

Wow.........just wow.....

[feliciano2040]

*Double post*

Modifié par feliciano2040, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...
In the context of ME3, what I think we should see, in some form, is the beginning of that new organisation, which would get its start as a faction that Miranda puts together to help defeat the Reapers. Possibly by assembling the various rebellious Cerberus cells that are scattered about the galaxy. Or by other means.

Well I still want her to join the squad but yeah, Miranda rallying a faction of renegade Cerberus peeps is something i could get behind.

Less than 3 months till disappointment day. Huh, still seems an age away.

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

Well I still want her to join the squad but yeah, Miranda rallying a faction of renegade Cerberus peeps is something i could get behind.

Well, I do, too, of course. And, theoretically, the two are not mutually exclusive. Though, in practice, they might be.

Or they could both mutually not happen

[Dr. Doctor]

While I get that Oriana is important to Miranda, it shouldn't be her single defining character trait. Miranda is cold, calculating, and pragmatic. However Oriana and Jacob show that she's fiercely protective of those she cares about.
If you emphasize one of these traits over the other the character you end up with isn't Miranda.

Its not a concept that we haven't seen before. Aveline Vallen in DA2 is a highly dedicated and competent captain of the City Guard, but at the same time is deeply protective of the people she cares about. What has me worried in ME3 is that because Cerberus is supposed to be irredeemably evil Miranda isn't allowed to hold similar convictions. As it appears now they're going to invoke the Love Redeems trope so they can get around the whole "Miranda is morally ambiguous" issue.

[wright1978]

Well it now looks like they've finished doing the voiceover work. Wonderful, just as Yvonne finishs doing chuck! There goes one of my buds of optimism that she would record late.

[flemm]

Yeah, I saw that. Not sure why they wouldn't announce Strahovski's return if she had already been in the studio recording, so... I guess we'll see.

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[jtav]

Hmm. Well, if she is replaced, I'll reserve judgment until we hear the replacement. If she's good, I might actually end up happier.

[GuitarShredUK]

wright1978 wrote...

Well it now looks like they've finished doing the voiceover work. Wonderful, just as Yvonne finishs doing chuck! There goes one of my buds of optimism that she would record late.

This is true...I just saw the following quoted on the Casey twitter thread: 

CabLivingstone wrote...

twitter.com/#%21/CabLivingstone/status/144539523978756097

Wow - taking this at face value made me almost  a little bit, yet what does he mean by "done"? Done, as in yes we now have all our scripts finished and approved so we can get the last VAs in to record.

Or, x100 worst case; that all VO/VA is now completed, taped and ready for editing? 

Answer 2 would make almost no sense, I dont see any way that BW have managed to ether A) complete all VO for characters including Miranda with the named (well, not yet fully confirmed) VA, Yvonne clearly not present unless she's turned herself into some sort of acting machine. Or changed the VA for Miranda with no input/reaction from any party and kept it under wraps which is scandalous to be honest. 

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Huh not sure how I feel.

On one hand we already have Mordin's voiced being replaced. We don't need another.

On the other hand it might be fine if the VA is good.

[flemm]

I wonder if she might look different as well. Not sure how that would work contractually... like if they don't rehire her, is that face and voice together?

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[wright1978]

I think Yvonne has probably already recorded but because her role is likely only a tiny cameo there's no point trumpeting her doing her recording.

Modifié par wright1978, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[jtav]

I would think (hope) they got likeness rights when they hired her for ME2. Also, she is not necessarily not returning. We'll see.

And Miranda's role isn't tiny. If the leak is anything to go by, she has about as many lines as Liara with LOTSB.

Modifié par jtav, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

I think Yvonne has probably already recorded but because her role is only a tiny cameo there's no point trumpeting her doing her recording.

Dunno if that really make sense, though. They might not make a huge deal of it, but it would make sense to mention her return in the kind of informal way they have done for Martin Sheen and others. Fans would be reassured, it would be a little news item.

While the role in the leaked script is certainly much smaller than we'd like, it's not so small that announcing her participation in the game would be problematic. If anything, with a small role, you'd think they'd be more likely to mention it.

But if she's not returning, well, not mentioning it makes all kinds of sense. Not saying it would be cool, but it would make sense.

jtav wrote...

I would think (hope) they got likeness rights when they hired her for ME2.

Just a thought. Not really sure how that would work.

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

I would think (hope) they got likeness rights when they hired her for ME2. Also, she is not necessarily not returning. We'll see.

I very much doubt Yvonne would let them use her image without her voice.

[Ryzaki]

They're probably two different agreements.

*looks at Sheploo*

And if she was busy I don't see why she'd make a big deal of the issue.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[flemm]

Well, normally they are. But Bioware doesn't usually use the same voice and face model. I somewhat doubt that Strahovski's contract would allow Bioware to use her likeness no matter what, so in that case it might come down to why she didn't come back, etc.

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[kainee]

Miranda not a squadmate and Yvonne not coming back.
Now it's official : this game really sucks.

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...

Well, normally they are. But Bioware doesn't usually use the same voice and face model. I somewhat doubt that Strahovski's contract would allow Bioware to use her likeness no matter what, so in that case it might come down to why she didn't come back, etc.

Well not usually but it's often enough that I'd think they'd have contracts for that sort of thing.

[flemm]

kainee wrote...

Miranda not a squadmate and Yvonne not coming back.
Now it's official : this game really sucks.

Well, we don't really know if she's not coming back (but it's looking fairly likely).

Ryzaki wrote...

Well not usually but it's often enough that I'd think they'd have contracts for that sort of thing.

It just depends on how hers was worded specifically, which we can't really know anything about. And, of course, if she just couldn't find the time with Chuck wrapping up, she may have had no problem at all with Bioware using the facescan.

Modifié par flemm, 07 décembre 2011 - 11:12 .

[jtav]

Assuming Strahovski isn't coming back (and it's just that, an assumption), we should at least hear the replacement before we condemn her.