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[GuitarShredUK]

I've just sent a tweet to Caroline Livingstone (@CabLivingstone, VO Producer) to see if I can tease out an explanation to her tweet yesterday, that all VO is finished for the whole cast...despite some characters VAs not even being mentioned yet alone confirmed...

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 08 décembre 2011 - 11:19 .

[Ieldra]

Here's something more Miranda-themed to discuss:

At the end of her loyalty mission, you can convince Miranda to talk to her sister. The conversations goes like this:

Shepard: She doesn't need any details, but would it really be so bad for her to know she has a sister who loves her?
Miranda (after some hesitation): I.....guess not.

The latter (listen to the line again if you dont believe me) sounds as if she's never thought about making contact with Oriana before in all the 19 years she watched over her. Does that strike anyone else as odd? I mean, yes, she never made contact with Oriana before, but surely she'd have thought about it.

And: why the hell is it so very Renegade to not insist she should talk to Oriana, after Miranda turned the suggestion down once? That's even odder....

Shepard: Don't you even want to say hello?
Miranda: It's not about what I want. It's about what's right for her.
Miranda: The less she knows about me, the better.
Miranda: She's got a family. A life. I'll just complicate that for her.
Shepard: Okay. Let's go.

You get 15 Renegade points for that. For basically....doing nothing but letting Miranda do as she says is best.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:23 .

[JosephDucreux]

Good luck Guitar. In order to prevent us from engaging in violent revolution, here's the daily dose of Miri.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
@feliciano:
Yes, he meant challenging for him as a writer. Besides, if it was challenging for us I wouldn't necessarily mind. Putting characters through hell only to let them come through in the end is a way to emphasize their strength.

I agree that's what it seemed to mean. Also, it was "fun/challenging," as I recall

Ieldra2 wrote...
The latter (listen to the line again if you dont believe me) sounds as if she's never thought about making contact with Oriana before in all the 19 years she watched over her. Does that strike anyone else as odd?

I dunno, the line has struck me in the past as meaning more simply that she had decided that contacting Oriana directly would be a bad idea and hadn't questioned that decision since. The line is "would it be so bad?," which suggests that Miranda had previously considered it a bad idea, not that she hadn't considered it at all.

Could be a lot of pretty good reasons for this. It might endanger Oriana (Renegade lines seems to go in that direction). Oriana might start to get curious about Miranda's life, leading her to try to find out more, etc., even envy Miranda's exciting superspy lifestyle (pretty much the opposite of what Miranda wants), etc.

Modifié par flemm, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:39 .

[wright1978]

Think the scene is about overriding Miranda's view that it is better for Oriana's own safety that she doesn't know, rather than the idea that she had never wanted to speak to her.

[jtav]

I've accepted long ago that there's nothing unifying Paragon except the decisions give warm and fuzzy feelings. This certainly qualifies. If this were a real situation, I'd tell Miranda not to speak with Oriana. Not so much because of the danger as because "Hi. I know we've never met, but I'm your biological sister" has the potential to go very badly for both parties. Since I know it goes well, compassion overrides common sense.

[medicine]

^This.

I would also encourage her to reconcile with her father, if I knew they would fall into each others arms after, weeping, and planning to go play football in weekend. And mean it.
Miranda might die. "Suicide Mission" isn't called this way, because someone thought it would be cool and dramatic.
Imagine this: finding out, that you have a biological personal sister-angel, who watched upon you for years, only to lose her after two to three weeks after.
But it's a game. You know you can prevent Miranda's death, you know there won't be any resentment, so having that knowledge - why the **** not? We like cheesy and warm.

Modifié par medicine, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[AresXX7]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's something more Miranda-themed to discuss:

At the end of her loyalty mission, you can convince Miranda to talk to her sister. The conversations goes like this:

Shepard: She doesn't need any details, but would it really be so bad for her to know she has a sister who loves her?
Miranda (after some hesitation): I.....guess not.

The latter (listen to the line again if you dont believe me) sounds as if she's never thought about making contact with Oriana before in all the 19 years she watched over her. Does that strike anyone else as odd? I mean, yes, she never made contact with Oriana before, but surely she'd have thought about it.

And: why the hell is it so very Renegade to not insist she should talk to Oriana, after Miranda turned the suggestion down once? That's even odder....

Shepard: Don't you even want to say hello?
Miranda: It's not about what I want. It's about what's right for her.
Miranda: The less she knows about me, the better.
Miranda: She's got a family. A life. I'll just complicate that for her.
Shepard: Okay. Let's go.

You get 15 Renegade points for that. For basically....doing nothing but letting Miranda do as she says is best.

I don't think of it as letting her do as she says is best, but encouraging her to remain enclosed, emotionally, to the world. I know there are those who embrace Miranda's pragmatic side, but it doesn't mean she has to become sociopathic in the process.

[Ieldra]

AresXX7 wrote...
I don't think of it as letting her do as she says is best, but encouraging her to remain enclosed, emotionally, to the world. I know there are those who embrace Miranda's pragmatic side, but it doesn't mean she has to become sociopathic in the process.

Well, you can romance her in either case, and she cares about her people in either case, so not talking to Oriana doesn't make her sociopathic. But of course you're right. Having contact with Oriana and her her professional "the mission comes first" attitude shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

[who would know]

It would've been interesting to see the reunion with Oriana go less-than-well. More realistic, anyway. I lean more towards just leaving it as something she can revisit in the future, if she wants. No use in being impulsive.

JosephDucreux wrote...

After extensive study of this gif, I conclude that Miranda is able to hit the Big O after 3 seconds of dry humping. This is a compelling reason for her to avoid the club, or any crowd that might be described as sizable.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
The latter (listen to the line again if you dont believe me) sounds as if she's never thought about making contact with Oriana before in all the 19 years she watched over her. Does that strike anyone else as odd?

I dunno, the line has struck me in the past as meaning more simply that she had decided that contacting Oriana directly would be a bad idea and hadn't questioned that decision since. The line is "would it be so bad?," which suggests that Miranda had previously considered it a bad idea, not that she hadn't considered it at all.

I agree it was intended to convey this, but the tone in which she says "I guess not" appears to suggest otherwise. Or perhaps I'm interpreting too much because of the lack of information...

Could be a lot of pretty good reasons for this. It might endanger Oriana (Renegade lines seems to go in that direction). Oriana might start to get curious about Miranda's life, leading her to try to find out more, etc., even envy Miranda's exciting superspy lifestyle (pretty much the opposite of what Miranda wants), etc.

I recall saying that I wanted Oriana in ME3 only if she ceased to be Miranda's morality pet and developed some character of her own. Envying Miranda's life and taking a level in badass was one of the options. Oh, the irony.

Hmm....now wondering who's doing Oriana's voice in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 décembre 2011 - 02:33 .

[jtav]

I'm actually wondering if they might be played by the same actress. I don't know if Strahovski can play that young or if she's even returning, but it'd be an easy way to justify her paycheck. If not, I vote Kate Bowman's VA.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I agree it was intended to convey this, but the tone in which she says "I guess not" appears to suggest otherwise. Or perhaps I'm interpreting too much because of the lack of information...

Well, perhaps one could go so far as to say that she had never seriously considered it. But literally never considered it seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

jtav wrote...

I'm actually wondering if they might be played by the same actress.

The thought has crossed my mind. It would depend a bit on how the whole scenario plays out, i.e. do they want to emphasize the similarities between them to that extent.

Modifié par flemm, 08 décembre 2011 - 02:47 .

[Ieldra]

GuitarShredUK wrote...
I've just sent a tweet to Caroline Livingstone (@CabLivingstone, VO Producer) to see if I can tease out an explanation to her tweet yesterday, that all VO is finished for the whole cast...despite some characters VAs not even being mentioned yet alone confirmed...

I think it means exactly what it says: VO work for ME3 is finished. Raphael Sbarge tweeted this 20 hours ago:

Just found out this is the absolute LAST recording for ME3! Release date is fast approaching!! One major step forward!

And again, that Strahovski wasn't mentioned so far means absolutely nothing. The default assumption remains that she'll be back.

Edit:
And this also means that the statement they might change things because of the leak was a smokescreen. Three weeks isn't enough to make anything but cosmetic changes.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 décembre 2011 - 02:51 .

[Xilizhra]

I'm not sure. Miranda could theoretically die on the suicide mission, but now might be the only chance she'll have with Oriana as well (it does turn out otherwise, but eh). If Miranda was as honest as possible about the danger, I think it'd be fine.

Also, reposting this because I think no one saw it.

jtav wrote...

Because I feel horrible about posting this:

Miranda's belief in Cerberus' goals is entirely tied to her need for purpose. She was lost, floundering after her flight from her father. Over time, she adopted the goals of the first person who treated her as if she actually mattered (TIM). What's more, he can provide her justification for her existence when her older sisters were killed or otherwise disposed of. The advancement of the human race gives her something to live for. But now Shepard, charismatic space Messiah that he is, has made her realize that she needs no justification. So she doesn't "need" that belief in the advancement of humanity. It was an emotional crutch, not her passion. So she devotes herself to what's always been *really* important to her: Oriana. At least, I'm fairly sure that's how we're supposed to see it.

I threw up in my mouth a little just writing that, by the way.

I'd call this about half true. I think it's unlikely that Miranda was all about human advancement before TIM's sales pitch; given that her father was, and was friendly with Cerberus, her first impressions of them are unlikely to have been favorable. I don't really believe it's an emotional crutch at this point, but TIM being the one who taught her that and then betraying her for it would be something to think about.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The default assumption remains that she'll be back.

Well, not announcing it prior to the game's release really doesn't make much sense. It could be slated for early next year, along with some other VAs, like Vega's. Or something of that nature. 

[jtav]

It's not so much the danger. This was, for all intents and purposes, a closed adoption. Miranda just introducing herself out of the blue could go very badly. They may be sisters, but they're also strangers. IRL, the first move should have been Oriana's.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
It's not so much the danger. This was, for all intents and purposes, a closed adoption. Miranda just introducing herself out of the blue could go very badly. They may be sisters, but they're also strangers. IRL, the first move should have been Oriana's.

Then Oriana would need to know she has a sister first. Which she doesn't, until you let MIranda speak to her. I wonder how she'll react to Miranda if they didn't speak in ME2. Or if she figured out that someone like Miranda did exist. That would be funny.

[jtav]

Well, by "first move" I mean taking steps to find her biological parents. Put out feelers with Liara. If she has, it's a good idea for Miranda to make contact. If not, not.

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, he meant challenging for him as a writer. Besides, if it was challenging for us I wouldn't necessarily mind. Putting characters through hell only to let them come through in the end is a way to emphasize their strength. 

Unless it was challenging for us because she.............died........in that scene.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well, by "first move" I mean taking steps to find her biological parents. Put out feelers with Liara. If she has, it's a good idea for Miranda to make contact. If not, not.

I agree in principle, but how would she know Liara? Or was this just code for "an information broker".

@feliciano:
He also said it was fun in the same tweet. I cannot reconcile that with a death scene.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 décembre 2011 - 03:37 .

[jtav]

Code, particularly since it seems she's virtually omniscient as the SB.

I can reconcile "fun." Those are scenes of high emotion and drama. Fun scenes to write.

Modifié par jtav, 08 décembre 2011 - 03:40 .

[feliciano2040]

Also:

jtav wrote...

I've accepted long ago that there's nothing unifying Paragon except the decisions give warm and fuzzy feelings.

Why ? To my knowledge, Idealism and morality unify all paragon decisions, I could've sworn this was a given among ME fans.

jtav wrote...

This certainly qualifies. If this were a real situation, I'd tell Miranda not to speak with Oriana. Not so much because of the danger as because "Hi. I know we've never met, but I'm your biological sister" has the potential to go very badly for both parties. Since I know it goes well, compassion overrides common sense.

It's one point of view, if this was a real situation I would tell her to go speak with her, as Shepard says, she doesn't need any details that may compromise her safety, she is being moved and being watched by Cerberus in any case, suddenly saying that she has a sister does nothing to put her in danger or to get her in any emotional distress.

medicine wrote...

I would also encourage her to reconcile with her father, if I knew they would fall into each others arms after, weeping, and planning to go play football in weekend. And mean it.

Dude, y u so crazy ?

Are we talking about the same "shots were fired" father ? The one who hired drug dealing murderers to forcefully remove his daughter from the family who raised her ?

The only thing I would encourage Miranda is to never, ever, EVER see her father again, unless she willingly chose to.

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I've accepted long ago that there's nothing unifying Paragon except the decisions give warm and fuzzy feelings.

Why ? To my knowledge, Idealism and morality unify all paragon decisions, I could've sworn this was a given among ME fans.

There are many Paragon decisions that have nothing to recommend them but sentimentality. I'll get back later with an extended reply (in a hurry atm), but think about this for now: how is convincing Miranda to talk to her sister morally better than not to do so? 

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

There are many Paragon decisions that have nothing to recommend them but sentimentality. I'll get back later with an extended reply (in a hurry atm), but think about this for now: how is convincing Miranda to talk to her sister morally better than not to do so? 

Even if there were some sentimental decisions (which I can agree there are some), where do you think those would fit best ?

There's nothing wrong with choosing not to talk with Oriana, it's Miranda's choice in any case.

But if there's no reasonable danger to Oriana's safety, then Miranda can concern herself about her own wishes. Genetically modified or not, she has the right to worry about her own happiness, again, as long as she doesn't put Oriana in danger, which she isn't doing at all.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sensing some of you guys let Niket take a mass accelerator round to the gut  !

Modifié par feliciano2040, 08 décembre 2011 - 04:00 .