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[GuitarShredUK]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, but ME2 came out five weeks earlier in 2010. I wouldn't get my hopes up, but since VO is done, maybe they see they can't get their plans f*cked up by last-minute drop-outs any more, so they might as well announce it.

True, especially as Michael Beattie has confirmed that he's not voicing Mordin in ME3 (check the Twitter feed for Vertigo's email conversation with him). Although, I didn't actually notice a difference between Beattie's Mordin and the one voiced for the gameplay demo ()...I'll still find the character interesting at any rate.  

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Miranda to Shepard: "I'm not looking for a friend. Stay focused on the mission."

I love pretty much every Pre-Normandy SR2 line of Miranda, each reminds me of just how much I hated her when I first met her 


Also, on my sixth playthrough, just got to give her that sweet, SWEET hug after telling her we could all be dead tomorrow  

[who would know]

I'm a little bummed at the thought that Tali's inclusion because of fan demand was probably done at the expense of expanded roles for characters like Miranda and Mordin. I mean, I'm far from being Miranda's no. 1 fan, but for what seems to be a Cerberus-centric conclusion, she seems right. And her character is interesting.

Modifié par who would know, 10 décembre 2011 - 11:39 .

[Ieldra]

who would know wrote...
I'm a little bummed at the thought that Tali's inclusion because of fan demand was probably done at the expense of expanded roles for characters like Miranda and Mordin. I mean, I'm far from being Miranda's no. 1 fan, but for what seems to be a Cerberus-centric conclusion, she seems right. And her character is interesting.

Actually, I think with Tali and Garrus fan demand was only one factor among several. One: they had to fill their non-human quota and two: they are LIs. I'm more annoyed with the second new team member, who is totally superfluous. I'm always thinking "that could've been Miranda".

[medicine]

Let's not take "keeping burdens to himself/herself" as an evidence of introvertism. Many extraverts are doing the same, while mantaining many shallow relationships, that serve no purpose other then keeping their minds out of things. That's why extraverts don't like remaining alone, and concetrate on the enviroment around them. 
Introverts prefer people who they know they care about, who they trust, who aren't annoying for them. They spend a lot of time in their head, like someone already  pointed out, while extraverts prefer to do the opposite. They can share or not, that's individual, but it's sure as hell, they won't share their thoughts and feelings with just anybody. Extraverts are more prone to do it, but that's not necessery - because they mostly don't like thinking about whatever sits in them, while they can laugh, talk or go to party. 
That's why the idea that Shepo as introvert, just because he keeps his burdens to himself just hurts me - you can roleplay Shep this way, but it's not pre-determind. You have a lot of opportunities to make him look extravert - talking, playing cards with the crew, more talking, asking anyone's about their feelings or other ****. 

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Miranda to Shepard: "I'm not looking for a friend. Stay focused on the mission."

I love pretty much every Pre-Normandy SR2 line of Miranda, each reminds me of just how much I hated her when I first met her 

You did? Because of that? I found this a rather polite rebuff, if determined. Especially when you compare it to Jack's reaction when you come prying: "Cerberus lapdog, military stooge". I was quite taken aback when I heard that for the first time.

Also, on my sixth playthrough, just got to give her that sweet, SWEET hug after telling her we could all be dead tomorrow  

Don't tell me it took you six playthroughs to get to that point? What the hell did you do in your first five? How did you manage to stay away from Miranda for that long? *is mystified* *where's the headscratch smiley if you need it*

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 décembre 2011 - 12:06 .

[medicine]

I prefer Jack's rebuttal - sincere "f*uck you" instead of polite "don't come near". But the latter doesn't phase me, just make me go "Do your part, and I'll try to keep that hating psycho in line".
And I remember that hug  I go d'aww and my sole survivor goes bipolar - "Cerberus has a compelling arguments after all *squeezes Miranda*" . 

Modifié par medicine, 10 décembre 2011 - 01:31 .

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You did? Because of that? I found this a rather polite rebuff, if determined. Especially when you compare it to Jack's reaction when you come prying: "Cerberus lapdog, military stooge". I was quite taken aback when I heard that for the first time.

At the time I was still annoyed with her shooting of Wilson in cold blood, along with her ridiculously smug lines after that scene.

First time I played the game I was legitimately angry and asked her the "are you always this b**** or is it just me ?" line.

Never thought i'd be praising her in this topic in a matter of months  !

Ieldra2 wrote...
Don't tell me it took you six playthroughs to get to that point? What the hell did you do in your first five? How did you manage to stay away from Miranda for that long? *is mystified* *where's the headscratch smiley if you need it*

I didn't say it was the first time, doesn't make it any less sweet every time I get to that point  !

Though, if it hadn't been by the magic of youtube, I would've never found out going full-renegade on her conversations gets you some pretty damn good rewards ! Those were the only moments in the game where I regretted being Paragon  !

Modifié par feliciano2040, 10 décembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[Hillbillyshep]

Miri looks fine the way she´s in ME2, but BW better give more than a "slight redesign" for her in ME3.
Otherwise she isn´t going to stand out , when put next to Ashley or the other (human) females.
And she needs to stand out, because she is still the perfect woman.
And that isn´t some "major event" that defines her character. No. It´s a full aspect of her character.
And as we all know, it´s not just under the surface...

[feliciano2040]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Miri looks fine the way she´s in ME2, but BW better give more than a "slight redesign" for her in ME3.
Otherwise she isn´t going to stand out , when put next to Ashley or the other (human) females.
And she needs to stand out, because she is still the perfect woman.
And that isn´t some "major event" that defines her character. No. It´s a full aspect of her character.
And as we all know, it´s not just under the surface...

As she stands she still looks better than bunless Ashley !

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...
At the time I was still annoyed with her shooting of Wilson in cold blood, along with her ridiculously smug lines after that scene.

Shooting Wilson was OK. I just assumed that she knew more than she told me. The justification for not interrogating him was BS though. As for smug, I take it you mean the answer to Jacob's "Do you really think Wilson was capable of that?" Miranda: "Not any more." That's ok for me, too.

Though, if it hadn't been by the magic of youtube, I would've never found out going full-renegade on her conversations gets you some pretty damn good rewards ! Those were the only moments in the game where I regretted being Paragon !

Why? You're not bound to never use an option from the opposing alignment. In fact, I'd say it's unrealistically dogmatic to do so. We're not in the SW universe here where light and dark are mutually exclusive. I always use certain Renegade options, regardless of what primary alignment my current Shepard has.

@medicine:
LOL. But no, I don't usually mix the personal with the political that way. Cerberus has compelling arguments, but they lie more in Lazarus, EDI and the new Normandy than in Miranda as a person - unless you count the undisputed fact that Cerberus would be better under Miranda's leadership.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:04 .

[Hillbillyshep]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Miri looks fine the way she´s in ME2, but BW better give more than a "slight redesign" for her in ME3.
Otherwise she isn´t going to stand out , when put next to Ashley or the other (human) females.
And she needs to stand out, because she is still the perfect woman.
And that isn´t some "major event" that defines her character. No. It´s a full aspect of her character.
And as we all know, it´s not just under the surface...

As she stands she still looks better than bunless Ashley !

Yeah, sure she looks better, but does she standout?

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Shooting Wilson was OK. I just assumed that she knew more than she told me. The justification for not interrogating him was BS though. As for smug, I take it you mean the answer to Jacob's "Do you really think Wilson was capable of that?" Miranda: "Not any more." That's ok for me, too.

Weeeeeeeeeell, I didn't think shooting Wilson was ok at all  !

But I can perfectly agree to disagree.

Also, I think we have different criteria about Miranda, I do think she was being a smug, ruthless, pragmatic evil b**** at the time, but that's ok with me, I like her character because of those qualities, she's not half-assed about it like Ashley, she's the most hardcore example you can get when you put the words "pragmatic" and "woman" together.

Like when she sacrifices Cerberus agents to help Shepard at the station, I don't like that action, but that's precisely what makes her character great !

Ieldra2 wrote...

Why? You're not bound to never use an option from the opposing alignment. In fact, I'd say it's unrealistically dogmatic to do so. We're not in the SW universe here where light and dark are mutually exclusive. I always use certain Renegade options, regardless of what primary alignment my current Shepard has.

I think you misunderstood, it's not that I always pick the top choice or the bottom one, it's that I always give priority to trust and reason before any passionate opinions, I do pick a lot of renegade options, but when it comes to my crew members and squadmates, I behave nice and friendly with them.

Ironically, I did precisely that with Miranda on my first playthrough and got NO kiss and NO hug, that's where the regret part fits in  !

Modifié par feliciano2040, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[Hillbillyshep]

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.
The first time i noticed this, i just yelled at my tv.
"Put the gun down, you idiot!"
Must have looked funny.
Ofcourse it´s logical, but it should have been a paragon-interrupt.

[feliciano2040]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.
The first time i noticed this, i just yelled at my tv.
"Put the gun down, you idiot!"
Must have looked funny.
Ofcourse it´s logical, but it should have been a paragon-interrupt.

I'm actually okay with that, I even get a laugh out of it every time the camera turns and shows Shepard on guard 

You know ? More and more I get the feeling I'm the only paragon Miri fan in here !

[flemm]

feliciano2040 wrote...
You know ? More and more I get the feeling I'm the only paragon Miri fan in here !

Well, I have a Paragon and a Renegade playthrough  

[naledgeborn]

feliciano2040 wrote...
I'm actually okay with that, I even get a laugh out of it every time the camera turns and shows Shepard on guard 

You know ? More and more I get the feeling I'm the only paragon Miri fan in here !

Paragade here. Paragon is laughably stupid and Renegade is needlessly ruthless.

[medicine]

@Ieldra
Hah, for half of the game I was in denial that my Shep can't hate on Cerberus with his whole passion. At the point where the hug took place, I was partially at peace with being railroaded into kissing their asses/being indifferent. Ok, I get it, colonies get abducted, Shep is smart enough to understand it - but it gets a bit hazy, when you consider ****y sole survivor in this scenario. He would still work for them, but the options like "I don't work for them - they work for me"(wtf?!) or "I don't care what they've done"... there should be "I work for them. For now" and as much as I like Miranda, an option to be a douche about her engagement in Cerberus. Especially in the conversation when, she thanks Shepard, and expresses her appreciation, telling him she wishes he worked for Cerberus earlier. The latter was a huge slap for ss.
That's why I was headcanoning Miranda's romance as a "kiss with a fist" relation, at least while she was still defending them, and renegade kiss fit nicely there (also the whole thing looked bloody nice and natural). Just the next conversation with her seemed out of place.

Also I'm up to updating her look in ME3 (especially since it looks like the whole squad is getting updated). Just nothing like ugly long boots with white thingies. Or making her too botoxed and shiny.

Modifié par medicine, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:46 .

[Ryzaki]

He. I find both Pure Paragon and Pure Renegade equally facepalm worthy with Shep's stupidity. Pure Paragon suffers more from immense naiveness that is odd if not flat out unrealistic for a seasoned soldier and should've gotten him killed several times over while Pure Renegade is just a stupid brute. Pure Paragon should've gotten stabbed in the back and Pure Renegade should've gotten shot in the face.

As far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:53 .

[medicine]

^
+ I mostly play with Renegons. I have a Paragade Shep started, for a contrast (we'll see how it goes:P).

Modifié par medicine, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:54 .

[naledgeborn]

medicine wrote...

^
I mostly play with Renegons. I have a Paragade Shep started, for a contrast. We'll see how it goes.

Define "Renegon".

[jtav]

Matt is actually painfully Paragon except for destroying the genophage cure and keeping the base. I can't even justify the kiss. My love for her shooting Wilson is mostly meta. BW traitors are obvious, but normally the PC can't figure it out until halfway through the game. Not this time.

[Ryzaki]

medicine wrote...

^
I mostly play with Renegons. I have a Paragade Shep started, for a contrast. We'll see how it goes.

Yes Paragade and Renegon. The reasonable Sheps.

It's a bit of a trial playing pure paragon. I have one of those and sometimes I facepalm so hard when he opens his mouth. Renedouche is at least hilarious in his over the topness and needless aggressiveness it's just painful with pure paragon.

Renegon = mostly renegade decisions but with some paragon thrown in once in a while (Pretty much the opposite of Paragade).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:58 .

[CptData]

Too bad BW does not reward pragmatic players. I mean, some decisions require a full bar paragon/renegade ... if you don't have it, it'll backfire at some point in the game.

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.
The first time i noticed this, i just yelled at my tv.
"Put the gun down, you idiot!"
Must have looked funny.
Ofcourse it´s logical, but it should have been a paragon-interrupt.

I'm actually okay with that, I even get a laugh out of it every time the camera turns and shows Shepard on guard 

You know ? More and more I get the feeling I'm the only paragon Miri fan in here !

Depends on the degree. Extreme Paragons are rare. Most here are so-called "Paragades". My main Shepard is more or less neutral but I have everything except the total one-sided alignments. It's as Ryzaki says: I think the extremes on both sides are stupid.

I also think that Miranda wouldn't respect pure Paragons and wouldn't start a romance with pure Renegades.