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[Ryzaki]

CptData wrote...

Too bad BW does not reward pragmatic players. I mean, some decisions require a full bar paragon/renegade ... if you don't have it, it'll backfire at some point in the game.

Which irks me. I just cheat and give myself both bars maxed but I feel for those who can't.  

I don't understand why BW wants to punish those that don't want to play extremes.  

[wright1978]

Definitely Paragade for me and always choose the 'i thought hewas waiting for a chance to shoot me in the back' line just so i can hear Miranda say 'Good instincts' after she shoots Wilson.

[CptData]

Don't ask me, Ryazki.

I usually play >90% paragon!Shepards and pick only few renegade options. Without the need to fill those bars that high, I would play with maybe 60% paragon & rest renegade decisions. Because sometimes it's better to shoot someone than keeping him or her alive.

Whatever.

Miranda is, to stay on topic, clearly a pragmatic person, most likely renegon, if you ask me.

[naledgeborn]

Ryzaki wrote...

CptData wrote...

Too bad BW does not reward pragmatic players. I mean, some decisions require a full bar paragon/renegade ... if you don't have it, it'll backfire at some point in the game.

Which irks me. I just cheat and give myself both bars maxed but I feel for those who can't.  

I don't understand why BW wants to punish those that don't want to play extremes.  

I can "cheat" max those bars using Gibbed. but I feel it's much more rewarding to finish the game with 1,200 Paragon points/1,000 Renegade points without cheating. It's hard to do without metagaming but I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Ieldra]

CptData wrote...
Too bad BW does not reward pragmatic players. I mean, some decisions require a full bar paragon/renegade ... if you don't have it, it'll backfire at some point in the game.

This is not true. You can have an almost neutral Shepard and still be able to persuade (almost) everyone. You just need to time things carefully. See my ME2 persuasion guide for details. Also, the only time you can get a bad backfire by not being able to persuade is in the conflicts between Miranda/Jack and Legion/Tali. Only Renegons have a problem there because Tali/Legion is much easier to resolve by Charm than Intimidate (and the Intimidate is an example in jerkassery anyway - Shepard's an authoritarian assh*le there)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[CptData]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CptData wrote...
Too bad BW does not reward pragmatic players. I mean, some decisions require a full bar paragon/renegade ... if you don't have it, it'll backfire at some point in the game.

This is not true. You can have an almost neutral Shepard and still be able to persuade (almost) everyone. You just need to time things carefully. See my ME2 persuasion guide for details. Also, the only time you can get a bad backfire by not being able to persuade is in the conflicts between Miranda/Jack and Legion/Tali.

Thanks for the link.
Should maybe review my statement: pragmatic players don't have the "easy win button" in some scenes.
Wha'ever ^^

[naledgeborn]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

CptData wrote...

Too bad BW does not reward pragmatic players. I mean, some decisions require a full bar paragon/renegade ... if you don't have it, it'll backfire at some point in the game.

Which irks me. I just cheat and give myself both bars maxed but I feel for those who can't.  

I don't understand why BW wants to punish those that don't want to play extremes.  

I can "cheat" max those bars using Gibbed. but I feel it's much more rewarding to finish the game with 1,200 Paragon points/1,000 Renegade points without cheating. It's hard to do without metagaming but I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. 

Can I cheat on the PS3 version? Or is it only PC?

PC/360. I've been trying to help you PS3 guys for the whole year but the save game encryption for PS3 is a bytch I hear.

[Ryzaki]

naledgeborn wrote...
I can "cheat" max those bars using Gibbed. but I feel it's much more rewarding to finish the game with 1,200 Paragon points/1,000 Renegade points without cheating. It's hard to do without metagaming but I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. 

The sad thing though is my paragade was just fine in ME1 (thanks to the persuade skill). Then they went and screwed him over in ME2.

[medicine]

Renegon is a Shep that has an anger issues, usually threat around, and is hardly a pleasant person, but in the end he/she gets job done, doesn't think that sacrifices are necessary for succes but is able to make them, is protective of his/her crew, and actually does what he/she think will be the best - like paragade, just is more prone to make rutheless decisions, then paragon ones.

Basically just get Paragade and turn it upside down. Or get Renegade and make him think, and give him a little of personality and consistence, instead of just pointing a gun at every person that says "nope". (hated Renegades in ME1)

*looks up* 

Modifié par medicine, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:17 .

[naledgeborn]

My Paragade is a Renegade in conversation and personality, is pro-Cerberus, but is a Paragon when it comes to decision making.

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.
The first time i noticed this, i just yelled at my tv.
"Put the gun down, you idiot!"
Must have looked funny.
Ofcourse it´s logical, but it should have been a paragon-interrupt.

I'm actually okay with that, I even get a laugh out of it every time the camera turns and shows Shepard on guard 

You know ? More and more I get the feeling I'm the only paragon Miri fan in here !

Depends on the degree. Extreme Paragons are rare. Most here are so-called "Paragades". My main Shepard is more or less neutral but I have everything except the total one-sided alignments. It's as Ryzaki says: I think the extremes on both sides are stupid.

I also think that Miranda wouldn't respect pure Paragons and wouldn't start a romance with pure Renegades.

And why is that?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 décembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[jtav]

Because the plot makes her. One of the weaknesses of the series is that there's no way to track approval. You can threaten to leave Liara in a volcano and she's still warm and friendly. I don't think P/R is all that useful a tracker. Matt's overwhelmingly Paragon, but I think she'd respect him. It's about personality and the game doesn't give you a lot of tools there.

Some call Miranda arrogant, but how proud is she? I gave her severe health problems in Portrait and some days daily tasks are going to be taxing. Would she prioritize efficiency or appearing normal in front of Shepard? I tend toward stubbornness, but I don't want to project.

[Ieldra]

I was just replaying LotSB. Does anyone else find it annoying that Shepard always shelters Liara and helps her up, while leaving Miranda (if you take her with you) to be hit by the pillar and to get up on her own? At least at the SM both have an equal chance....

@jtav:
Overwhelmingly Paragon? Didn't I hear you say you'd let him take a certain, rather Renegade action in ME3, which has two other rather Renegade actions in ME2, possibly even in ME1, as prerequisites?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:00 .

[MisterJB]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.

I actually like that. Shepard, fully trained N7 operative and Spectre, is pointing a gun at her head and Miranda is absolutely unfazed. It made her much more badass.

[jtav]

Well, it happens to every third party member, so no.

And two renegade acts (CB and genophage cure) do not a Paragade make. But I'm still in ME1, so the points make shake out differently.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.

I actually like that. Shepard, fully trained N7 operative and Spectre, is pointing a gun at her head and Miranda is absolutely unfazed. It made her much more badass.

And it's absolute appropriate for Shepard to do that. Imagine that. A door opens, there stands an unknown woman and without a second of hesitation, shoots one of your group, trustworthy or not. *Of course* Shepard pulls his gun and points it at her. 

Agreed about Miranda being unfazed making her badass

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:09 .

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.

I actually like that. Shepard, fully trained N7 operative and Spectre, is pointing a gun at her head and Miranda is absolutely unfazed. It made her much more badass.

A lesson some trigger-happy Renegade interrupters could stand to learn.

[Hillbillyshep]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.

I actually like that. Shepard, fully trained N7 operative and Spectre, is pointing a gun at her head and Miranda is absolutely unfazed. It made her much more badass.

And it's absolute appropriate for Shepard to do that. Imagine that. A door opens, there stands an unknown woman and without a second of hesitation, shoots one of your group, trustworthy or not. *Of course* Shepard pulls his gun and points it at her. 

Agreed about Miranda being unfazed making her badass

She wasn´t so unknown at that point actually.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I was just replaying LotSB. Does anyone else find it annoying that Shepard always shelters Liara and helps her up, while leaving Miranda (if you take her with you) to be hit by the pillar and to get up on her own?

Yes, it's annoying. Can only really make it work from a roleplay standpoint by not bringing Miranda.

Re: Paragon/Renegade, in imported games, I find it's pretty easy to fill up one bar or the other fast enough to not miss out on any persuade opportunities, while still having a substantial chunk of points going the other way. I guess in new ME2 games it must be harder to do that without missing stuff.

Modifié par flemm, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:18 .

[jtav]

I'm nigh on incapable of bringing anyone else. You think I;m going to turn down a chance to have my two favorite characters on-squad? So Miranda gets KO'd a lot.

[Ieldra]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...

What i hate about after Miranda shoots Wilson, is how Shep always points his gun at Miri.

I actually like that. Shepard, fully trained N7 operative and Spectre, is pointing a gun at her head and Miranda is absolutely unfazed. It made her much more badass.

And it's absolute appropriate for Shepard to do that. Imagine that. A door opens, there stands an unknown woman and without a second of hesitation, shoots one of your group, trustworthy or not. *Of course* Shepard pulls his gun and points it at her. 
Agreed about Miranda being unfazed making her badass

She wasn´t so unknown at that point actually.

Shepard has no way to know that this is the same Miranda who woke him up and helped him get out. He may remember having seen her when he woke up early, but that may be about as present in his mind as a dream, and he still wouldn't know it was the same Miranda talking to him earlier.

[Asari_Party]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I was just replaying LotSB. Does anyone else find it annoying that Shepard always shelters Liara and helps her up, while leaving Miranda (if you take her with you) to be hit by the pillar and to get up on her own?

Yes, it's annoying. Can only really make it work from a roleplay standpoint by not bringing Miranda.

I didn't find it annoying. Liara is standing to Shepard's right side and slightly in front where the other squad member is behind Shepard and to the left. Shepard can't reach the second squadmate, and so he saves Liara.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Shepard has no way to know that this is the same Miranda who woke him up and helped him get out. He may remember having seen her when he woke up early, but that may be about as present in his mind as a dream, and he still wouldn't know it was the same Miranda talking to him earlier.

Well, there are the video logs, but even if he recognizes her, he's not necessarily sure what to think yet.

Roxy12 wrote...

I didn't find it annoying. Liara is standing to Shepard's right side and slightly in front where the other squad member is behind Shepard and to the left. Shepard can't reach the second squadmate, and so he saves Liara.

That's a product of the design, though. However, to each his/her own. Personally, I concur with Ieldra that it's annoying.

Modifié par flemm, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:23 .