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[Dr. Doctor]

@jtav

I agree that Miranda and Jack are two sides of the same coin. What interests me from a narrative standpoint is that Miranda shows us that Cerberus has the potential to advance the human race, while Jack shows what dangers the pursuit of that advancement are.

What I'm wondering is other than Oriana, what is Miranda's reason for believing in Cerberus? Miranda remarks that "Humanity couldn't have a better advocate" than the Illusive Man, but why is that the case? Granted this could be touched upon in ME3, but I'd be interested in reading a Miranda Lawson: Year One story that details her early days with Cerberus but I'd doubt we'd ever see that.

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
 Granted this could be touched upon in ME3, but I'd be interested in reading a Miranda Lawson: Year One story that details her early days with Cerberus but I'd doubt we'd ever see that.

Agreed on both counts. I'd love to see it. And I know we won't see it

It would be nice if the question were raised in ME3 at some point, though. There should be ample opportunity.

[feliciano2040]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd be interested in reading a Miranda Lawson: Year One story that details her early days with Cerberus but I'd doubt we'd ever see that.

That is exactly what we should be seeing in Mass Effect comics, instead of the latest train-wrecks that were Evolution and Conviction !

[JosephDucreux]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd be interested in reading a Miranda Lawson: Year One story that details her early days with Cerberus but I'd doubt we'd ever see that.

Welcome to the age of pandering to immature little kids who wail, cry and moan whenever their favorite bucket doesn't get anything more than 95% of Bioware's development attention. Bleargh. Oh, and spam forums.

[jtav]

I'd love a comic. Can we bribe Brubaker? Maybe Rucka?

[JosephDucreux]

jtav wrote...

I'd love a comic. Can we bribe Brubaker? Maybe Rucka?

Why not? I'll leave you to figure out something.

[feliciano2040]

jtav wrote...

I'd love a comic. Can we bribe Brubaker? Maybe Rucka?

We can gather enough money to actually pay them to do it  ?

Let's say Brubaker was writing, who would be on pencils ?

[jtav]

Guice. Can you tell I'm impatient for February? I miss Bucky.

[MisterJB]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd be interested in reading a Miranda Lawson: Year One story that details her early days with Cerberus but I'd doubt we'd ever see that.

That is exactly what we should be seeing in Mass Effect comics, instead of the latest train-wrecks that were Evolution and Conviction !

Saying that a comic named "Miranda Lawson. Year One" is something I'd very much like to read is an understatement.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

I'd love a comic. Can we bribe Brubaker? Maybe Rucka?

 If Marvel had the rights to Mass Effect and Brubaker was writing then I'd read it in a heartbeat. Evolution wasn't bad but I can honestly say that Mac Walters isn't my favorite Bioware writer.

I am interested in reading the DA comic because its being written by David Gaider and the stories in the comics occur outside of the events of the games. The ME comics become such a mess because for the most part they relate to Shepard. Thanks to there being no cannon backstory on decisions for Shepard they have to be vague about things making the narrative a little bland.

[feliciano2040]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Evolution wasn't bad

You sir, are very, VERY kind.

[jtav]

It wasn't as bad as Redemption. Only thing good about that is Miranda;s casual outfit in one scene and that it got me shipping Liara/Miranda.

[Dr. Doctor]

Redemption exists solely to give us a reason why Liara changed in ME2. Evolution sort of saddened me because TIM and Cerberus' origins are handwaved as "the Reapers did it".  Invasion is actually turning out to be a pretty good comic, my favorite character so far is General Oleg Petrovsky we finally meet a non-Lazarus Cerberus operative who's as competent as Miranda.

[feliciano2040]

jtav wrote...

It wasn't as bad as Redemption. Only thing good about that is Miranda;s casual outfit in one scene and that it got me shipping Liara/Miranda.

I actually think Redemption is kinda good  ! It's fun at the very least, and it allows us to meet some interesting characters like Feron and Tazzik, even Miranda !

I hated Evolution because the story barely made any sense, there was absolutely ZERO characterization to TIM, and it went on and on to talk on a pretty uninteresting aspect of turian society, and this is from someone who is fascinated by turians !

Modifié par feliciano2040, 12 décembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'd be interested in reading a Miranda Lawson: Year One story that details her early days with Cerberus but I'd doubt we'd ever see that.

That is exactly what we should be seeing in Mass Effect comics, instead of the latest train-wrecks that were Evolution and Conviction !

I rather liked Evolution. An interesting insight into the origin of the Illusive Man, and it had an excerpt of the original Cerberus manifesto. Which might have played a role in Miranda's dedication. I found it rather convincing myself and if not for one word, wouldn't hesitate to subscribe to it.

As for what would convince Miranda is cutting-edge research at or beyond the limit of the exactly legal, but without any atrocities involved. "Illegal" AI research started in 2163, Miranda would've joined around 2166.  Also I'd not be surprised if Cerberus was involved in the development of the L2 implants made available in 2167. At first glance, I'd probably use that as a plot hook for Miranda's year one. L2s are exactly the kind of thing Cerberus would develop: highly effective but made available too early, so that the drawbacks were discovered too late.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 décembre 2011 - 06:51 .

[l DryIce l]

JL81 wrote...

Still nothing about Strahovski reprising her role?

Wait, what? I haven't been paying attention to Miranda related stuff. What's the deal? 

[Ieldra]

l DryIce l wrote...

JL81 wrote...

Still nothing about Strahovski reprising her role?

Wait, what? I haven't been paying attention to Miranda related stuff. What's the deal? 

No "deal". There is simply no official information. Apparently Casey Hudson let it slip that she'll be back, but that information is unconfirmed and should be treated as a rumor.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 décembre 2011 - 08:14 .

[Ieldra]

feliciano2040 wrote...
I can understand her devotion and her dedication to Cerberus, I'm not surprised if she chooses to defend them, but I've always thought she's gone a bit too far with her, and most of the attitude seems to be out of pure dislike, which is very interesting, because at it's core I think Miranda simply detests Jack's nihilism, she is a woman of purpose, of duty, and she can't stand the idea of someone that has no purpose, no goal, and who doesn't care about her motivations.

That sounds.....uncannily accurate. Strange that this hasn't come up yet as an explanation of her treatment of Jack.

I very much doubt it was intended that way by the writers, though. They probably wanted to pit the better side of Cerberus against someone who had experienced the worst, and intended Miranda's spite to be the result of her getting into the defensive about Cerberus. That didn't quite work because Miranda isn't usually that nasty and defends Cerberus to Shepard in a much more reasonable manner. So there must be more. I like your explanation. It has weight.

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote... 

I very much doubt it was intended that way by the writers, though. They probably wanted to pit the better side of Cerberus against someone who had experienced the worst, and intended Miranda's spite to be the result of her getting into the defensive about Cerberus. That didn't quite work because Miranda isn't usually that nasty and defends Cerberus to Shepard in a much more reasonable manner. So there must be more. I like your explanation. It has weight.

Aw c'mon , I know they've done bad quite often, but I wouldn't hold myself in admitting that I thought that's what Bioware intended for Miranda's grudge against Jack to be.

[Dr. Doctor]

To me Miranda represents the 'ideal' Cerberus, the group that was founded to advance the cause of humanity in the galaxy. Jack shows us that while Cerberus' goals may be admirable their practices aren't always ethical.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

It wasn't as bad as Redemption. Only thing good about that is Miranda;s casual outfit in one scene and that it got me shipping Liara/Miranda.

That's a good thing? I kid.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 12 décembre 2011 - 02:32 .

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...
I can understand her devotion and her dedication to Cerberus, I'm not surprised if she chooses to defend them, but I've always thought she's gone a bit too far with her, and most of the attitude seems to be out of pure dislike, which is very interesting, because at it's core I think Miranda simply detests Jack's nihilism, she is a woman of purpose, of duty, and she can't stand the idea of someone that has no purpose, no goal, and who doesn't care about her motivations.

That sounds.....uncannily accurate. Strange that this hasn't come up yet as an explanation of her treatment of Jack.

I very much doubt it was intended that way by the writers, though. They probably wanted to pit the better side of Cerberus against someone who had experienced the worst, and intended Miranda's spite to be the result of her getting into the defensive about Cerberus. That didn't quite work because Miranda isn't usually that nasty and defends Cerberus to Shepard in a much more reasonable manner. So there must be more. I like your explanation. It has weight.

Where's an Okeer motivational when you need one?

[feliciano2040]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

To me Miranda represents the 'ideal' Cerberus, the group that was founded to advance the cause of humanity in the galaxy. Jack shows us that while Cerberus' goals may be admirable their practices aren't always ethical.

Not true ! That was just...............................a rogue cell  !

It's ridiculous how that excuse worked SO WELL for the consciences of the people working at Cerberus !

[Dr. Doctor]

Remember kids:

[jtav]

As soon as Matt gives me my brain back, I'm going back to the ship. I can't even play FShep right now, though. And this is from someone who started out nearly FShep exclusive.