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[Skullheart]

feliciano2040 wrote...

flemm wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...
Dream, we only can.

LoL, so true.

This is not fair at all...

I was depressed because I wasn't going to get Wrex as a squadmate in ME 2.

And now I have to be depressed because I'm not going to get Miranda as a squadmate in ME 3 ?

I try to be as fair as I can with Bioware, but they really screwed it up this time.

I can only hope this silence we're getting about Yvonne Strahovski she's doing the deals for a possible Miranda DLC or something, I could be satisfied with that !

Don't count with that. BW will just crush your hopes.

[yesikareyes]

What's the latest news on Miranda's role in ME3? Haven't been on the forums much I did see something today in an article about Miranda and Shepard's dialogue that's been leaked online? I read it but is that for real though?

[feliciano2040]

Skullheart wrote...

Don't count with that. BW will just crush your hopes.

Damn leak...

...still not going to read it though !

Modifié par feliciano2040, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:44 .

[flemm]

yesikareyes wrote...

What's the latest news on Miranda's role in ME3? Haven't been on the forums much I did see something today in an article about Miranda and Shepard's dialogue that's been leaked online? I read it but is that for real though?

Amusingly enough, you may be refering to a bit of dialog that a poster here wrote and that somehow ended up getting reported as a news item elsewhere online. Not really sure how that happened, exactly, but it did.

Beyond that, a script for ME3 was leaked a few weeks back, probably from late spring or early summer. That's all the "news" we've had, so nothing official. The Miranda material in the leak was... how shall I put this?... uninspiring for the most part, but it is incomplete, so we will just have to wait and see what the final product looks like.

There's enough potential there that it could end up being really good, but also enough question marks and essential missing pieces that it could end up being really bad.

I know that wasn't very helpful, but that's the current situation as near as I can describe it

Modifié par flemm, 15 décembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[shinobi602]

Ok without spoiling anything in detail, can someone who's read the leaked script tell me if Miranda fans will be happy with what's done with her in ME3? Any closure?

[cbutz]

From the mood I gather here, not at the moment.Ever since the updated script came out, the mood seems very low with a day or two of optimism. Those who read it says that there is potential for it to be awesome, as they say the script appears unfinished. If Bioware leaves it in the current state , then it will be bad. There are several unused plot hooks that Bioware can add in as well. That is the gist of what I see here.

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Why? Because the reasoning for a fistfight in a war fought with high-tech weapons can hardly avoid to appear ridiculous, and setting things up so that neither opponent has a better weapon at hand can hardly avoid to appear contrived. See LotSB. I thought "you can't be serious" when I got into that phase of the fight.

Well we do have the Omni-Blade, and the Sentinel has Tech Armor. Now all I need is some way to make Shepard's omni tool glow green:

Miranda: (sighs) Really, Shepard?

Shepard: What? I like it, besides Spectres are technically galactic defenders of peace so I think its fitting to-

Miranda: -To turn yourself into a walking homage to a twentieth century comic book?

Shepard: Yep.

Miranda: I assume that before going into battle you'll recite that ridiculous oath?

Shepard: You know the oath?

Miranda: Simply because the engineers in Cerberus' R&D cells were addicted to twentieth century comic books and vids. Why else do you think that we're all running around in these suits?

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...
What's the latest news on Miranda's role in ME3? Haven't been on the forums much I did see something today in an article about Miranda and Shepard's dialogue that's been leaked online? I read it but is that for real though?

If you're talking about a piece of Miranda/Shepard dialogue on TIM's base, that was fanfiction. I wrote it in a sort of "This is what I wish would be there" mindset (original here). After someone put it on the net as official, I commented on that site that it was fanfiction, but apparently it was too late.

If you want to know the state of things read this topic in the general spoiler group or look into the Miranda in ME3 pre-release spoiler group. There you will also find the pieces of Miranda's dialogue that have been leaked. Miramda's parts are very incomplete, so all we can say is that's not the complete picture. How Miranda's role will be received here depends to about 80% on what's in the missing parts. We voiced our concerns here. Obviously, all these links link to spoilers.
 

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Why? Because the reasoning for a fistfight in a war fought with high-tech weapons can hardly avoid to appear ridiculous, and setting things up so that neither opponent has a better weapon at hand can hardly avoid to appear contrived. See LotSB. I thought "you can't be serious" when I got into that phase of the fight.

I understand what you mean, but, for whatever reason, this brand of sci-fi/fantasy has always been drawn to the hand-to-hand fighting style in one way or another. Klingons do it in Star Trek. Light sabers are really the best example in some ways. Even in Frank Herbert's Dune books hand-to-hand fighting is important, due to various contrived reasons.

Emphasized the important point. ME uses basically the same setup as Dune - shields block fast projectiles, but not slow ones. Note though, that in the movie the Sardaukar have shield-piercing projectiles that slow down and bore through a shield when they hit one. In a world like the ME universe, where the titular omnipresent technology is based on fine control of mass and acceleration, it is incomprehensible that there isn't something similar available to elite agents like Spectres. Also what if Shepard is a biotic? Using Captain Wasea's style of attack would be much more plausible. Anyway the LotSB fistfight comes across as a cheap contrivance. Among other things, why is that shield completely impervious to bullets? That makes no sense.

It would be interesting to speculate as to why this is so. Probably has something to so with the stories being rooted in basic swash-buckling style heroic adventure, so shooting from a distance just feels less personal and satisfying after a while. Something like that, maybe.

It's likely that. But I am of the school of thought that says worldbuilding should not be compromised for the sake of drama. If you can't find a convincing reason for a fistfight, drop it. Script events if you must, let Shepard be captured and loose his weapons, all OK. Just don't mess with world consistency.

As for Miranda, yes I hope she'll get the opportunity to show her badassery on-screen in a cutscene. But if she fights hand-to-hand when could fight with biotics using the environment, I'll cry foul.

[Ieldra]

shinobi602 wrote...
Ok without spoiling anything in detail, can someone who's read the leaked script tell me if Miranda fans will be happy with what's done with her in ME3? Any closure?

If what's in the leaked script is basically all we get, then the answer is a most emphatic "No!" However, her parts are  noticeably incomplete and the script doesnt contain anything which would fit the description of "most challenging and fun" Mac Walters tweeted about a Miranda scene he was writing around GamesCom. So we tend to assume the leaked script is dated from July and there will be more. How much more and even more importantly, what exactly, that will determine if we will be happy or not. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 décembre 2011 - 12:13 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
But I am of the school of thought that says worldbuilding should not be compromised for the sake of drama.

Well, I'm an board with that idea to a point. It's certainly a good idea to have an at least somewhat convincing explanation for why close quarters fighting is necessary.

Overall, though, I think this type of fiction is most enjoyable when understood from the point of view of story logic, rather than science logic. It's good if there's some reasonably convincing science mixed in, but generally the more one focuses on that side of things, the more one ends up finding a near-endless list of annoying inconsistencies and contrivances that don't really make sense except as tropes or story beats.

Modifié par flemm, 15 décembre 2011 - 12:44 .

[shinobi602]

Ieldra2 wrote...

If what's in the leaked script is basically all we get, then the answer is a most emphatic "No!" However, her parts are  noticeably incomplete and the script doesnt contain anything which would fit the description of "most challenging and fun" Mac Walters tweeted about a Miranda scene he was writing around GamesCom. So we tend to assume the leaked script is dated from July and there will be more. How much more and even more importantly, what exactly, that will determine if we will be happy or not. 

I see

Well, hopefully they'll fix that. But, how could you tell it was "noticeably" incomplete? Sentences missing? Jumping scenes?

[Ieldra]

shinobi602 wrote...
Well, hopefully they'll fix that. But, how could you tell it was "noticeably" incomplete? Sentences missing? Jumping scenes?

If the key encounter of a story arc is missing from the script, you tend to notice that, because it's referred to in several places. Also there are details missing from at least one other conversation which can be inferred to exist from somewhere else. These two missing elements happen to be points that link Miranda's story to the main plot, which lead us to notice a pattern: apparently everything of Miranda's story arc we would suspect Mac Walters to have a hand in writing wasn't written yet in this version of the script.

Since those elements we are most insistent must be there for Miranda's story arc to provide appropriate closure tend to be of the kind that links Miranda to Cerberus, and through Cerberus, to the main plot, we have some hope that they may yet manifest.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 décembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[shinobi602]

Ahh ok. *crosses fingers*

[flemm]

For Miranda's story arc to have the awesome conclusion it should have, basically what would have to happen is that the material that's already there would have to be finished and then extended into the later stages of the game.

I'm pretty confident this will happen to a degree, as there are some signs of that already in the script, but to what degree and how good it will be are the main questions. There's some really big stuff that still needs to happen. Those things could definitely happen the way the story is set up, but there are other possible scenarios that could be really bad/disappointing.

We know Mac Walters was working on Miranda stuff in August, and it seems the end of the script was being completed around that time as well, so that's likely when Miranda's role was finished, for good or for ill.

We're pretty confident the leaked script is from prior to that.

Modifié par flemm, 15 décembre 2011 - 02:36 .

[wright1978]

Skullheart wrote...

Don't count with that. BW will just crush your hopes.

That pretty much sums up my position.

[Ieldra]

Let's not get pulled into that pit.....let's remind ourselves that we love Miranda....

[jtav]

The chapter proper will be up in a few hours, but will more Potrait help?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The chapter proper will be up in a few hours, but will more Potrait help?

Definitely!

I swear you with your stories and Dr.Doctor with his banter keep the spirit of this thread up by yourselves. I'm almost ashamed that I appear to have run out of ideas and/or steam.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
 I'm almost ashamed that I appear to have run out of ideas and/or steam.

Well, the whole leak fiasco was pretty exhausting, don't beat yourself up over it

Looking forward to the next installment, jtav

Modifié par flemm, 15 décembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[jtav]

Whole chapter work for you?

And I prefer this to pessimism, however justified or unjustified it may be.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Whole chapter work for you?

Excellent

jtav wrote...
And I prefer this to pessimism, however justified or unjustified it may be.

I'm just going to put all those emotions aside for the moment and save it for the final version, one way or another.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Whole chapter work for you?

Very nice. It is significant that Miranda, reserved as she usually is, risks emotionally exposing herself to motivate Matt. I wonder what she's thinking...

@flemm:
Indeed, the last few weeks were pretty exhausting. But I've found a new appreciation for Miranda's drive to work for a cause greater than herself. Not that I didn't always have that, it's just more apparent now when I play ME2 that she does have that.

[jtav]

Is that my cue to write another vignette? I know exactly what she's thinking. The personal and the professional are coming together in Matt. Her chance to have the pain and the myriad of issues that go with it gone and create a super-biotic. She'll risk anything for that.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Is that my cue to write another vignette? I know exactly what she's thinking. The personal and the professional are coming together in Matt. Her chance to have the pain and the myriad of issues that go with it gone and create a super-biotic. She'll risk anything for that.

If you want to take it that way I thought it might be something like that, but I still find it courageous of her to risk opening herself up that way. And how convinvingly it comes across that she sees what might motivate Matt. So much for being socially inept, hah! She just doesn't care for the usual niceties. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 décembre 2011 - 09:54 .