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[SlottsMachine]

A question for those that have read the leak. Is there anything that would lead you to believe that I would be able to take Jack on Miranda's mission(s) and vise versa? If not, then what the hell was the point in trying to improve banter if you can't put Jack and Miranda in the same room.

[jtav]

No, neither seems to be a squad member at any time.

[flemm]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

A question for those that have read the leak. Is there anything that would lead you to believe that I would be able to take Jack on Miranda's mission(s) and vise versa? If not, then what the hell was the point in trying to improve banter if you can't put Jack and Miranda in the same room.

One of the many downsides of not having any of the ME2 characters on the squad is we won't get much follow up on this kind of thing, if any.

Miranda/Jack is particularly disappointing, though, as I like both characters a lot and would like to have seen them meet again at a later stage of their character arcs.

[SlottsMachine]

jtav wrote...

No, neither seems to be a squad member at any time.

What! Really? So does Miranda act as your handler for a time, or how do these cameos even work?   

[Skullheart]

We shouldn't talk of that topic here. But you can always ask in the spoiler groups

[jtav]

They're important NPCs during a specific mission, though Miranda gets a bit extra.

[trynell]

hope that it is situation chance and all the ME2 characters have an important rollplay in the history.

[SlottsMachine]

Skullheart wrote...

We shouldn't talk of that topic here. But you can always ask in the spoiler groups

My apologies. I myself would like to avoid major spoilers, but I feel its best I learn of a few minor ones if only to manage expectations. And thanks for the info jtav. 

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 17 décembre 2011 - 02:33 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

I have exactly one Shep I care about. I will wreak any amount of havoc as long as he can be happy with Miranda. The rest of the galaxy can burn for all I care. I can always save a different one in some other game. I don't care about fictional faceless billions.

QFT

[jtav]

Hmm. Has anyone ever done a playthrough where they make a point of agreeing with all of Miranda's advice? I'm thinking about it.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Hmm. Has anyone ever done a playthrough where they make a point of agreeing with all of Miranda's advice? I'm thinking about it.

Ah... no, I don't think I've ever done that. I always build up my team, so that's easy. So is round one of the SM. A few other points are more dicey. I usually send someone back with the crew, for example.

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
What! Really? So does Miranda act as your handler for a time, or how do these cameos even work?

While I'm really not pleased with how the ME2 characters are being handled overall, I think it's fair to say that their appearances are more than cameos (at least most of them, there are a couple of characters whose role I haven't really looked at closely).

Basically what they get is approximately a Loyalty Mission's worth of content. Generally the mission can end very badly (the character dies), or it can end well, and the character survives (depending on player choices). If it ends well and the character survives, s/he contributes something to the endgame and you get to see that character again at the very end.

That's as a general rule, a few characters are possibly handled a bit differently as far as mission outcomes, but sometimes that can be a little unclear because the various endings are jumbled together in the leaked text files.

Some of these appearances may come across as glorified cameos anyway, but generally the missions do have some substance.

Anyway, the ME2 characters will seemingly never interact with each other, but only with the ME1 characters, the new characters, and of course Shepard. This is lame because so many of the ME2 characters would have a lot to say to each other, especially having survived the SM together.

Modifié par flemm, 17 décembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[SlottsMachine]

Thanks flemm for your synopsis of the role the ME3 secondary characters will have, its gone a long way towards reassuring me.

[flemm]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Thanks flemm for your synopsis of the role the ME3 secondary characters will have, its gone a long way towards reassuring me.

No problem!

Basically, for characters like Jack and Miranda, there will definitely be some substance there, not just a token appearance, though it's seemingly not going to amount to a lot of screentime.

Modifié par flemm, 17 décembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[Dr. Doctor]

To me, the ME2 squad wasn't exactly what I'd call a tight-knit group. Other than the Suicide Mission, or the two loyalty related conflicts, there's next to no interaction between squad members. Although, considering the character development that goes on with Jack and Miranda in ME3 I'd like to see some interaction:

Miranda: I hear you're with the Ascension Project now.

Jack: You planning on leading your boss' ****ing army right to my doorstep?

Miranda: No. I don't condone what the Illusive Man is doing to innocent people.

Jack: And here I thought you'd say that "it wasn't Cerberus" again.

Miranda: Whatever Cerberus is now, it isn't the organization I once believed in. (sighs) I was wrong. Is that what you want to hear?

Jack: If you had said that a few months back I would be dancing through the ****ing halls.But after what I've done and seen I can sort of see why you'd believe in Cerberus, what Ascension is doing is helping people, and it feels good.

Miranda: I never thought I'd see the day when we'd actually agree on something.

Jack: Well considering that its the goddamn end of times I'd say it isn't that weird. (smirks) If you want, I can throw a chair at you for old times sake.

Miranda: Let's just enjoy the moment.

[jtav]

Nice job, Doctor.

[enayasoul]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

To me, the ME2 squad wasn't exactly what I'd call a tight-knit group. Other than the Suicide Mission, or the two loyalty related conflicts, there's next to no interaction between squad members. Although, considering the character development that goes on with Jack and Miranda in ME3 I'd like to see some interaction:

Miranda: I hear you're with the Ascension Project now.

Jack: You planning on leading your boss' ****ing army right to my doorstep?

Miranda: No. I don't condone what the Illusive Man is doing to innocent people.

Jack: And here I thought you'd say that "it wasn't Cerberus" again.

Miranda: Whatever Cerberus is now, it isn't the organization I once believed in. (sighs) I was wrong. Is that what you want to hear?

Jack: If you had said that a few months back I would be dancing through the ****ing halls.But after what I've done and seen I can sort of see why you'd believe in Cerberus, what Ascension is doing is helping people, and it feels good.

Miranda: I never thought I'd see the day when we'd actually agree on something.

Jack: Well considering that its the goddamn end of times I'd say it isn't that weird. (smirks) If you want, I can throw a chair at you for old times sake.

Miranda: Let's just enjoy the moment.

That was awesome!  :lol:  You nailed both characters perfectly.  I could hear them each talk in my head reading those lines.  Oh boy! That was great!  

[spirosz]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Jack: Well considering that its the goddamn end of times I'd say it isn't that weird. (smirks) If you want, I can throw a chair at you for old times sake.

I hope thats an in-game dialogue, lmao.  

[flemm]

Very cool, Doc

[trynell]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

To me, the ME2 squad wasn't exactly what I'd call a tight-knit group. Other than the Suicide Mission, or the two loyalty related conflicts, there's next to no interaction between squad members. Although, considering the character development that goes on with Jack and Miranda in ME3 I'd like to see some interaction:

Miranda: I hear you're with the Ascension Project now.

Jack: You planning on leading your boss' ****ing army right to my doorstep?

Miranda: No. I don't condone what the Illusive Man is doing to innocent people.

Jack: And here I thought you'd say that "it wasn't Cerberus" again.

Miranda: Whatever Cerberus is now, it isn't the organization I once believed in. (sighs) I was wrong. Is that what you want to hear?

Jack: If you had said that a few months back I would be dancing through the ****ing halls.But after what I've done and seen I can sort of see why you'd believe in Cerberus, what Ascension is doing is helping people, and it feels good.

Miranda: I never thought I'd see the day when we'd actually agree on something.

Jack: Well considering that its the goddamn end of times I'd say it isn't that weird. (smirks) If you want, I can throw a chair at you for old times sake.

Miranda: Let's just enjoy the moment.

that's excellent! 

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'm not going to put it past the ME team to make the ultimate Paragon ending Shepard sacrificing himself for the greater good. Just like I'm sure that the Renegade ending will most likely be the "bad ending". Bioware breaks out the self-sacrifice ending in most of its games, and Jade Empire is the only one that they made where sacrificing the PC doesn't result in a "good" ending.

There may be a self-sacrifice option, but I don't think this will be the ultimate Paragon ending. The Paragons can always have their cake and eat it, remember?

Seriously, I think the self-sacrifice option will be like this: If you haven't done enough before end, not amassed enough War Assets, not acquired a critical piece of knowledge, etc., then you won't have the time or opportunity to get one of the better endings, and you must sacrifice yourself to prevent the Reapers from winning. It may be that full Renegades will in greater danger of that happening than full Paragons, but in general Renegades won't automatically get this, it will depend on the choices made.

[Vertigo_1]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

To me, the ME2 squad wasn't exactly what I'd call a tight-knit group. Other than the Suicide Mission, or the two loyalty related conflicts, there's next to no interaction between squad members. Although, considering the character development that goes on with Jack and Miranda in ME3 I'd like to see some interaction:

Miranda: I hear you're with the Ascension Project now.

Jack: You planning on leading your boss' ****ing army right to my doorstep?

Miranda: No. I don't condone what the Illusive Man is doing to innocent people.

Jack: And here I thought you'd say that "it wasn't Cerberus" again.

Miranda: Whatever Cerberus is now, it isn't the organization I once believed in. (sighs) I was wrong. Is that what you want to hear?

Jack: If you had said that a few months back I would be dancing through the ****ing halls.But after what I've done and seen I can sort of see why you'd believe in Cerberus, what Ascension is doing is helping people, and it feels good.

Miranda: I never thought I'd see the day when we'd actually agree on something.

Jack: Well considering that its the goddamn end of times I'd say it isn't that weird. (smirks) If you want, I can throw a chair at you for old times sake.

Miranda: Let's just enjoy the moment.

Yes, I'd love it if something like this to happen in ME3...
Why aren't you working for Bioware?!

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I have exactly one Shep I care about. I will wreak any amount of havoc as long as he can be happy with Miranda. The rest of the galaxy can burn for all I care. I can always save a different one in some other game. I don't care about fictional faceless billions.

I fully expect the best ending for the galaxy from the eyes of Cyrus Shepard to be fully compatible with a happy ending for him and Miranda. This is one of the Miranda-related topics I'm not worried about.

@Dr.Doctor:
I can only echo what Vertigo said. I would love to see something like this.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 décembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Hmm. Has anyone ever done a playthrough where they make a point of agreeing with all of Miranda's advice? I'm thinking about it.

That depends on whether you think not sending an escort is against Miranda's advice. I think it isn't, really, because all she says is that we can't turn back - which we don't.
If you think following Miranda's advice entails not sending an escort, the no, I don't have such a playthrough and I'm not planning on one. I feel like a jerk letting the crew die while having a full and almost fully loyal team (which I will have if I have followed Miranda's advice). While Miranda is right that the mission comes first, there are team members like Kasumi, who aren't really appropriate for this kind of operation and can easily be spared as an escort.

[jtav]

I was thinking more of her on-mission advice. Things like Veetor, selling Legion, and leaving Grunt in the tank. Which lead to less than optimal outcomes.

[MisterJB]

I have one. Gave Veetor to Cerberus, kept Grunt in his tank, didn't give Jack the files, suggested Miranda speak to Oriana but when she argued against it didn't press the issue, sold Legion to Cerberus and didn't send anyone with the crew.
I think the only thing left would be to not go through the Omega 4 Relay imediatelly after the kidnap.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 décembre 2011 - 02:59 .