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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What is Veetor's precise reaction if you decide to give him to Cerberus? Tali's Reaction? What doesn everyone say? I can't find the correct video.

[MisterJB]

Veetor is traumatized to the point where he sees husks and Collectors everywhere. Tali's reaction is about what you'd expect, she accuses Cerberus of being worse than the Devil.

[jtav]

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Modifié par jtav, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:13 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Tali is furious, both initially

Not necessarely. If Shepard gave her the Geth data in ME1, she says she trusts Shepard and actually tells Veetor to go with Cerberus.

[flemm]

feliciano2040 wrote...

^ Loving Miranda...............it's tough sometimes !

It's not something I really thought much about prior to discussing it here, but I realize I really like that aspect of the relationship if the romance is active, by which I mean there's an emotional bond between the characters, but Miranda can still be very adversarial in certain situations when she thinks Shep is about to do something stupid or sub-optimal.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Oh great. -____- That sounds really bad. Yet if I don't choose this, I feel like I lose respect from Miri. I wouldn't want to see him traumatized, yet the info about the collectors is vital. There's pros and cons with both. I just can't figure out which scenario is most logical story-wise.

[Ryzaki]

Aye I don't give Veetor to Cerberus because letting him go is a show of good faith to the quarians and he's traumatized no need to traumatize him more by giving him over to some people he doesn't know. Plus Shep trusted that Tali would send the data even if the other quarians disagreed.

Eh if Miranda lost any respect for Shep in that scenario it wasn't that much and it wouldn't last that long. Shep still got the data necessary in the end.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

Tali is furious, both initially

Not necessarely. If Shepard gave her the Geth data in ME1, she says she trusts Shepard and actually tells Veetor to go with Cerberus.

Well then that's ok. 

[jtav]

That's dependent on the geth data? *makes point of not giving it to Tali next game*

[MisterJB]

Story-wise, I let Tali take Veetor. At that point, Shepard trusts Tali more than he trusts Miranda or Cerberus and it's possible that it migth be easier for Veetor to remember something more specific about the Collectors if he is among friends.
Of course,it's not like those friends will actually care enough to incentivate him to remember something else but still...

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

"Not trusting Miranda" sounds a little harsh, even if it's the beginning of the game.

[jtav]

There's two ways I go with Miranda. Either it's love at first sight or he treats Miranda as a "Cerberus b*tch" until Grunt's LM where Wrex forces him to relive his worst nightmare and Miranda saves him.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ ? What do you mean regarding Grunt's LM?

[MisterJB]

Shepard-o-vision: Women who can casually shoot someone in the face and have made it obvious that they do not like you and are only willing to work with you because the man who (possibly) murdered your squad in Akuze and Admiral Kahoku ordered them to do not inspire a lot of trust

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:32 .

[Ryzaki]

@JB: Yup that is how most of my Sheps see it.

Those don't trust
her until she resigns from Cerberus during the SM. Until then she was an
uptight Cerberus b*tch with a soft spot for her sister.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:39 .

[jtav]

Matt trusts her right out of the gate, but well, I headcanon Portrait as true. The rest have to relive Akuze and have her save them.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Akuze?

[jtav]

Sight of a thresher attack orchestrated by Cerberus. Sole Survivors lost their unit there.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Shepard-o-vision: Women who can casually shoot someone in the face and have made it obvious that they do not like you and are only willing to work with you because the man who (possibly) murdered your squad in Akuze and Admiral Kahoku ordered them to do not inspire a lot of trust

Not sure I really agree. Of course, from a roleplay standpoint, any number of different reactions are imaginable. But honesty has a lot to do with trust, imo, much more so than whether a person "likes" another or not. Miranda is extremely honest with Shepard from the beginning, even on subjects that she has no reason to bring up and that are blatantly likely to be off-putting, like the control chip. She also doesn't hesitate to disagree with Shepard on numerous occasions.

So, there are good reasons to disagree with Miranda, and not to like her, but fewer reasons, I think, not to trust her, especially over time, as it becomes clear that she is very loyal to the people she cares about, such as Oriana and Jacob.

Modifié par flemm, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[MisterJB]

That was meant only for the point where Shepard was forced to chosee between giving Veetor to Tali or Cerberus. Over time, Miranda gained my Shepard's trust and, eventually, even his regard.

You are right on one thing, though. "Like" was not the word I should have used. Miranda made it clear from the beginning that she did not trust Shepard.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:55 .

[naledgeborn]

My canon Shepard's thoughts on Akuze: I refused to die. Not time for PTSD when the galaxy's on the line. Save the gushy stuff until after the Reapers are dead and gone.


Edit: On Veetor choice: I let him go with Tali. She owes me one (Geth Data).

Modifié par naledgeborn, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

That was meant only for the point where Shepard was forced to chosee between giving Veetor to Tali or Cerberus. Over time, Miranda gained my Shepard's trust and, eventually, even his regard.

Ah ok, apparently I'm guilty of cherry-picking the most recent post and disregarding the context a bit

On the Veetor choice, I usually just take the data. Seems like a reasonable course of action.

As far as how Miranda and Shepard's relationship evolves, I do see it generally as mutual distrust evolving toward mutual trust, which I think comes through in the SM, especially at the beginning in some of those sequences we recently saw images from.

Modifié par flemm, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:58 .

[feliciano2040]

MisterJB wrote...

Sadly, that deranged, unreliable witness is all we have. We need all information we can get on the Collectors and what we saw from his omni-tool was incomplete.

Right, so that allows you to take innocent people and submit them to illegal treatment and unwarranted questioning ?

You should remember that the next time the police comes into your home and demands to interrogate you even if you are in shock and it's clear you don't have any relevant information to give them  !

MisterJB wrote...

How were the Collectors able to land without leaving a trace? How many ships did they have? What did it look like? What kind of weaponry did it possess? Was it a frigate? A cruiser? A dreadnought?
Also, Veetor was not tortured.

Do the collectors drink tea ? Or are they coffee people ? Do they prefer doggie-style over missionary ? Do they like basketball over football  ?

You can make up endless amounts of questions to support taking Veetor, it still doesn't mean it's right.

MisterJB wrote...

All drugs Cerberus gave him were meant to stabilize him and keep him lucid, even the quarian doctor says this. 
Ad there is no reason to believe that Cerberus was purposelly starving Veetor instead of simply him being too traumatized and scared to eat.
It was not pleasant but Veetor was not tortured.

Veetor was tortured, there is absolutely no discussion about this.
 
For starters, he was taken against his will, he was submitted to illegal, involuntary treatments to keep him awake against his will, compromising his physiological cycles, he was starved, and he received "injections" whenever there were "wrong answers", he was tortured friend  !

And all for what ?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 décembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I give Veetor to Cerberus simply because he's the only real source of intelligence on the Collectors that we have at that stage of the game. If we're going to be fighting a foe that next to no one in the galaxy knows anything about then we need every scrap of information we can lay our hands on.