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[Rdubs]

jtav wrote...

Actually, what I'd like to have him do is blow the place up and send salvage teams from every corner of the galaxy to have a look.

Along those lines...I understand that the game forcing a choice between blowing the base and handing it to Cerberus is great for generating a lot of discussion/tension, but I also laugh at those being the only two options.  It would have been easy to have the best of both worlds - save the base, jump back through the relay, and send a message to the Council, cc'ing Anderson and TIM, saying I have a little present for you.  TIM would have been pissed of course because he would want the tech for himself, but I say if he would rather have only Cerberus have the tech and thereby increase the chances of losing the war, screw him.  Also, TIM would be smart to play it as "look at the gift Cerberus just gave the entire galaxy" which would do good things for their reputation, even though secretly he'd be pissed.

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Modifié par Rdubs, 21 décembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[flemm]

alxboss78 wrote...
And as i was discussing with another (also Miranda fan) about the lack of info on Strahovski's recording or not, i came to the conclusion that either she recorded but her role is so small that it would feel ridiculous for them to mention it, or (more probably) she did not record and they don't want to mention the fact that they used a different VA, out of fear of the negative response. So they postpone it until they can hide it no longer (which of course is after the release of the game).

Well, I think we can be pretty confident that #1 is not accurate. The role in the leaked script is much smaller than we'd like, of course, but certainly not so small that Yvonne's involvement wouldn't be worth mentioning.

As to whether or not she recorded... I dunno. There will be more info made available in the new year and leading up to the release of the game, so it is plausible that announcements regarding a few VAs are being saved for that stage of the marketting. Or she's been replaced because they couldn't make it work with Strahovski. There's really no way to tell at this point.

Modifié par flemm, 21 décembre 2011 - 03:26 .

[Skullheart]

Well,I already expect the worst. They already changed Mordin VA,.Why wouldn't they change Miranda's?

I mean, reasons to not having Strahovski voicing Miranda are:
- She isn't a protagonist character.
- She is an expensive VA, With miranda lack of screen time they can't spend much money in her VA. And Miranda can die in ME2, so she can have 0 lines in ME3.

In simple words, Miranda isn't an important character anymore. She can't have privileges like being voiced by Strahovski.

[CrutchCricket]

I thought the "can die" argument was debunked already...
Besides I point you to the Keith David cameo in ME2. Screentime alone does not confirm or deny a voice actor returning. Any actor can of course try to negotiate for a bigger fee or refuse a smaller one but there's not enough data to conclude she won't be returning for sure.

[jtav]

Calm down. There's not enough evidence to say she isn't returning. Carrie Ann Moss is returning. Lance Henriksson (sp?) is returning. Keith David is returning. All are arguably bigger names than Strahovski, and none have what I would call enormous roles. The only evidence we have is a lack of tweets about her being in the studio. That's rather thin evidence, considering Steve Blum and various other actors also weren't mentioned. Compare to Beattle, where the rumors swirled for months. Nothing like that happened with Strahovski. So, we'll see.

Modifié par jtav, 21 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

It has already been confirmed that all the LIs are coming back.

[MACharlie1]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

It has already been confirmed that all the LIs are coming back.

We know that all the LIs are returning...the question is if Ms. Strahovski will be. 

And to that, I believe Casey said she would be at an event. 

[MisterJB]

From the third issue of "Invasion". I wonder just how much Oleg Petrovsky's reasoning resembles Miranda's own at the Collector Cruiser and Base.

[flemm]

Well, also, it's not really fair to judge the writers on an unfinished script we were never supposed to see. We've opted in, we've reacted. So, now we just have to wait and see.

What we saw initially was an early draft of the story, then an unfinished script from probably May or June. That script is a big improvement over the initial draft, and the final version will undoubtedly be at least somewhat of an improvement over the version we've seen.

The most important scene is missing, and Bioware does not suck so badly at storytelling that Miranda's involvement won't come to some kind of clear conclusion (also missing from the script). There's a plausible scenario where we won't have much to complain about, tbh. Or some important things will be missing, and we will.

The game is done, I'll have plenty to say about the final version, but there's not much point in dwelling on a version of the story that was probably outdated as of mid-summer, when Mac Walters started working on the portion of Miranda's role that he was responsable for.

Modifié par flemm, 21 décembre 2011 - 06:30 .

[jtav]

It seems the even remotely decent Cerberus agents are being driven out. By ME3, I expect Cerberus to be a fairly pure black.

[jtav]

Because I really don't contribute enough in the screenshot department:

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Because I really don't contribute enough in the screenshot department:

Nor do I, admittedly. Nice one

[feliciano2040]

jtav wrote...

Because I really don't contribute enough in the screenshot department:

Looks quite similar to mine !

Guess our cool looking Shepards love cool-looking girlfriends  !

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@jtav:
Not for the first time, I'm thinking that keeping the Collector base may be the best decision for Miranda's story arc, Why did you reconsider?

Because it's what Matt would do. Between Akuze and Teltin (which he took personally) he has no love for TIM. And after the delrelict Reaper, he doesn't trust them. Actually, what I'd like to have him do is blow the place up and send salvage teams from every corner of the galaxy to have a look. Salvage from destroyed Reaper tech has a much better track record of producing something useful (Thanix, EDI). It's sheer contrianess that keeps the base intact. BW wants ME3 to be Miranda's redemption story. I don't.

Just to throw a wrench in your reasoning: the fact that there is salvage at all depends on foreknowledge about ME3. The impression at the end of ME2 is that there's nothing left big enough to be useful. Of course you can rationalize Shepard knew the overall effect of the explosion retroactively...

And I agree about Miranda story. To avoid that !&%$ "redemption" interpretation of her story may be a good reason to make some carefully selected Renegade decisions. Fortunately keeping the base is 100% IC for Cyrus Shepard.

[jtav]

Shadow Broker also mentions salvage. Even granting the ruins would be unsalvagable, you'd think he could send copies of the IFF to the Council.

I've mentioned this before, but Miranda and Jack are a fantastic pair. Miranda also takes priority for lines, so I'm getting new dialogue.

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And I agree about Miranda story. To avoid that !&%$ "redemption" interpretation of her story may be a good reason to make some carefully selected Renegade decisions. Fortunately keeping the base is 100% IC for Cyrus Shepard.

Is this about the leak ?

It seems weird they would go for that angle with Miranda, specially since I quite clearly remember BW said once that they wanted to preserve the pragmatic aspect of Miranda's personality.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And I agree about Miranda story. To avoid that !&%$ "redemption" interpretation of her story may be a good reason to make some carefully selected Renegade decisions. Fortunately keeping the base is 100% IC for Cyrus Shepard.

Could be, though so far I'm not seeing too much evidence of the CB decision being all that important. The LM decision maybe.

feliciano2040 wrote...

Is this about the leak ?

There are times in the leaked script where it feels like the writers are flirting with the redemption idea a bit. It doesn't really dominate the whole thing, though, it's more like a hint here and there, so a lot will depend on how the script is finished.

On the question of pragmatism, one could arguably preserve that while still doing a redemption story. It strikes me as a bit of a separate issue.

Modifié par flemm, 21 décembre 2011 - 11:15 .

[jtav]

Me either, but it can't hurt. Basically, I'm going pure Renegade with everything but on-ship dialogue for her.

Modifié par jtav, 21 décembre 2011 - 11:14 .

[Loup Blanc]

Has anyone actually tried to ask her about ME3 on Twitter?

[drwells123]

JL81 wrote...

Has anyone actually tried to ask her about ME3 on Twitter?

I volunteer, unless someone else wants the honor. Her last two tweets are "Chuck is done"  and "now what" so it seems like a good time to ask.

I was going to say something like "Your many fans on the Bioware forum are very curious whether you're returning as Miranda Lawson." I'd assume she's free to answer that at least. Anything else anyone wants to know?

[Loup Blanc]

Go ahead. She might respond to us. Just make sure she understands we are DIEING to know.

[drwells123]

JL81 wrote...

Go ahead. She might respond to us. Just make sure she understands we are DIEING to know.

LOL, I was in fact going to say dying but didn't want to come off as too desperate But what the hell, we are dying to know.

Okay, typing it up now.

[Loup Blanc]

Alright... now let's cross fingers. She hasn't posted anything since Dec 9, but she might pop up to tweet season's greetings.

[jtav]

What's the height difference between Miranda and MShep? Because I was posing the models as close as I could, and MShep comes up to her shoulder/neck, and I normally remember him as being taller.

[drwells123]

JL81 wrote...

Alright... now let's cross fingers. She
hasn't posted anything since Dec 9, but she might pop up to tweet
season's greetings.

I threatened to cry a lot if she doesn't come back.

jtav wrote...

What's the height difference between Miranda and MShep? Because I was posing the models as close as I could, and MShep comes up to her shoulder/neck, and I normally remember him as being taller.

It doesn't seem consistent. I'm looking through my FemShep screenshots, and there are some where she appears shorter than Miranda, and others where she's taller (allowing for perspective, and they're pretty close to each other in these screens). And DudeShep is taller than FemShep as I know from flipping her gender bit while trying to romance Miranda