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[AgitatedLemon]

Mediciine wrote...

What's up with this Shepard's glare? Did she killed his hamster, or what?

Kelly forgot to feed his fish, and they all died.

He's still sore about it, taking it out on Miranda. 

Shepard is a REAL dick.

[Mediciine]

Ah, so It's all Kelly's fault  Now I want to see Shepard explaining this to Miranda.
The potential of this scene...

[MisterJB]

Mediciine wrote...

What's up with this Shepard's glare? Did she killed his hamster, or what? 

Shepard will always get angry with whoever makes Miranda sad - even Miranda.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

Mediciine wrote...

What's up with this Shepard's glare? Did she killed his hamster, or what? 

Shepard will always get angry with whoever makes Miranda sad - even Miranda.

Miranda, how DARE you make Miranda sad!

[Mediciine]

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It probably doesn't stop a romance though. That's a one perfect bipolar-Shep material here.

Modifié par Mediciine, 24 décembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Mediciine wrote...

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It probably doesn't stop a romance though. That's a one perfect bipolar-Shep material here.

I think it makes Shepard out to be more retarded than bipolar.

[jtav]

If you're talking about the decision in general, why should it? if this were the real world, I'd never tell her to talk to her sister without some hint that Oriana was open to contact with her birth family.

[AgitatedLemon]

I'm curious...

The Shadow Broker terminals show Miranda having an online chat session with Oriana.

Can you see that chat if you don't have her talk to Oriana?

[Mediciine]

Rather were talking about the scene. That showing her how much you hate her, renegade smooch, and then... hugging.
That's exactly where the slapping should come.

[jtav]

No, that one is omitted.

[AgitatedLemon]

Mediciine wrote...

Rather were talking about the scene. That showing her how much you hate her, renegade smooch, and then... hugging.
That's exactly where the slapping should come.

Where in the hell is it shown that Shepard shows Miranda how much he hates her, then kisses her?

I'm aware of the "You're jealous" line, but that doesn't seem like Shepard is showing Miranda how much he hates her.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 décembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Well, even if there are different dialog choices, and if Miranda's motivations are described somewhat differently, that could be enough for a player to prefer one version over the other.

Pretty big if;)

Wow I didn't know Miranda actually cries if you don't encourage her to talk to Oriana. More reason for me to push her on that everytime.

As for real world comparisons, I'm not sure I go for the "fear of Oriana rejection" thing. It has merits but frankly, if it happens, it happens and better to deal with it now as opposed to later or worse, remain the in the shadows forever and always wonder.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 décembre 2011 - 01:26 .

[Mediciine]

Ok. right. So "dislikes her".
Sorry, I headcanon the talk about Cerberus as a full conversation. It definitly should be longer then that.

Modifié par Mediciine, 24 décembre 2011 - 01:30 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

flemm wrote...
Well, even if there are different dialog choices, and if Miranda's motivations are described somewhat differently, that could be enough for a player to prefer one version over the other.

Pretty big if;)

Wow I didn't know Miranda actually cries if you don't encourage her to talk to Oriana. More reason for me to push her on that everytime.

As for real world comparisons, I'm not sure I go for the "fear of Oriana rejection" thing. It has merits but frankly, if it happens, it happens and better to deal with it now as opposed to later or worse, remain the in the shadows forever and always wonder.

She cries after speaking with Oriana too, or at least, tears run down her cheeks. Maybe not sad tears, but tears nonetheless.

[Wild Card Kinuta]

Soo if Adept Shepard mates with Miranda, would that make their child some kind of biotic mutant. I know she can't conceive but....

[jtav]

Something from Portrait. This actually replaces the interlude I posted earlier in the week. Much less contrived. There's going to be adult content this chapter, too. [quote]"For your own sake, doctor, I suggest you go along with this plan. You don't have the resources to contend with my employers. You’d lose far more than your nephew if you tried."

"No." Gwen’s voice was flat and dead. "But someone can.” And with that, she left." No last appeals for goodbyes. I guess she really did think that I was brainwashed.

I watched her go. Now I was alone, no family to speak of and my only ally a woman who made threats I normally associated with crime syndicates. "How much power does the Milky Way Foundation have, exactly?"

She smiled a knowing, conspiratorial smile. "As much as any other well-funded organization with the right contacts. The sad truth is that you can get away with anything as long as you're rich and powerful enough. For now, that works in my favor."

"Like it works for Robert Eldfell." A thought struck me like lightning. "You don't think my aunt would go back to him to get him to help her. Or blackmail him."

Miranda laughed. It was a weird sound, neither humorous nor hysterical, but something else altogether. "He’d crush her if she tried. Eldfell isn’t blackmailed. He makes deals. Your aunt has nothing to offer him anymore. The last of the daughters is beyond his reach. There's no one left for her to operate on."

"Beyond his reach. That's one way to put—did you say 'last of the daughters?' There's more than one?"

Miranda flinched. "Entirely too perceptive." I couldn't tell whether it was a compliment or an insult. "Yes, there was more than one. Three, as a matter of fact. Claire was simply the only one who survived into adolescence."

A different kind of tension filled me, the kind you get when you're watching a horror vid and the villain’s about to kill the heroine's girlfriend. You want to look away, but you can't. "I looked him up. That's how I found out about my aunt. There's no mention of any daughters. What happened to them?"

"They never officially existed." Miranda's voice was icy again, but there was something brittle about it, as if it might shatter if someone applied the right pressure.

I pressed. "But you’d think a guy like that would want the world to know he had kids."

"Not if they were genetic detectives. Eldfell made his money in fuel, but genetics is his passion. They were an…embarrassment, shall we say? Spina bifida and Down’s Syndrome, respectively. Institutionalized last that I heard."

I tried to imagine disowning my kid because they were disabled. I couldn’t quite do it. I tried to imagine finally having a healthy kid and deliberately screwing it up because I was dead set on a biotic. I couldn't do that either.

"You know a lot about this, don't you?" Something clicked in my brain. Gwen and Miranda had the same Australian accents. Monied accents. Miranda had thrown all that luxury at us, but barely seemed to notice it herself. She said she hated my aunt because of the pain, but there was something personal about it. "You—you know them don't you? The Eldfells."

Miranda didn't speak for a long time. "When you can produce a singularity, I might consider answering that question."

I decided to take that as a yes. All the secrets of the dead girl who had captured my imagination held by the living woman who enthralled and terrified me. It was almost too good to be true. Oh yes, I was going to be the best biotic ever.

Miranda shook her head. "That's neither here nor there now." Her voice sounded very far away. "The important thing is the scholarship. You don't mind leaving your home again. Earth will be something of an adjustment."

"Home? Home has people who give two ****s about you. I haven't had that for six months."

Miranda softened. I expected to find pity in her gaze, but found something else. Recognition and grief, as if she knew what I meant. It seemed stupid to think so. Someone as beautiful and compelling as she was shouldn’t not that kind of loneliness. And yet, it happened. The young and beautiful queen who cut herself off from all human contact to be a good rule was right up there with the young and beautiful dead girl in terms of popular subjects of paintings. Was that what Miranda was?

I wondered what I'd have to do to get an answer to that question.

Modifié par jtav, 24 décembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Miranda took forever to grow on me. First I wanted us to screw, then I felt protective over her after the deal with her sister. After doing Tali on another save and Jack never gotting nothin to say, I figured for going solo so not to ****** Ashley off in 3, but something about Miranda being completely loyal to you at the end and refusing to follow Martin Sheen's command(if you decide to blow the base), even though we weren't together, just made me fall madly in love with her. But by then she was all like, "there a lot to do, shepard" no matter what ****ing happened in the game. So I got the sense I was being rejected. BOOM, rejected, re-re-re-jec-ted.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Pretty big if;)

Well, I phrased that as a pure hypothetical, but the devs have stated in the past that decisions you make on the LMs in ME2 could have a pretty big impact in ME3. Since the Niket decision has the same outcome either way, this one has always been the logical choice to have an impact where Miranda is concerned (especially given that it is also the culminating moment of the mission).

I also think it would actually be a fairly astute way of allowing the player to opt for a more or less emotional Miranda, since this is one of those areas where fans of the character tend to have divergent views. So, if it does work that way, I think I might approve. I've always been in favor of having that option.

Also... *possible spoiler*


There's some evidence in the leaked script that it may actually work that way, at least to an extent.

Modifié par flemm, 24 décembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[jtav]

I'd actually have the decision point be what was done with Niket. Yes, he dies either way, but Miranda's subsequent biotic attack is much colder if she kills him. If Enyala kills him, she completely loses it for the first time. It opens the proverbial floodgates. Admittedly, I'm biased here because I both prefer a less emotional Miranda and pretty much have to let her speak to Oriana.

[Viking Stoner]

I romanced Miranda in ME2 but i also continued the relationship i had with Liara in the DLC. Uh oh i sense a cat fight going down in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Miranda took forever to grow on me. First I wanted us to screw, then I felt protective over her after the deal with her sister. After doing Tali on another save and Jack never gotting nothin to say, I figured for going solo so not to ****** Ashley off in 3, but something about Miranda being completely loyal to you at the end and refusing to follow Martin Sheen's command(if you decide to blow the base), even though we weren't together, just made me fall madly in love with her. But by then she was all like, "there a lot to do, shepard" no matter what ****ing happened in the game. So I got the sense I was being rejected. BOOM, rejected, re-re-re-jec-ted.

idunowutthisis

I couldn't make sense out of this.

[AgitatedLemon]

@flemm

In regard to your possible spoiler, are you saying that stopping/allowing Miranda to kill Niket could change Miranda's... for lack of a better term... emotional level? Stopping/allowing could make her more/less emotional?

Just curious to see if I'm understanding correctly. I think I'd actually try to let Miranda show her emotions a little more, as it shows more of her character and may have a more drastic impact on her relationship with Shepard and Oriana, since it would imply that she's opening up to people more than hiding herself behind the Ice Queen facade. Either way, so long as the event is referenced, it will imply a deeper tone than Miranda only bringing up Oriana.

Or I could just be wrong and applying real world psychology to a video game with scripted dialogue.

Off topic, but if decisions made during LM's have impact on ME3, then I wonder how allowing Maelon to live and keeping the genophage cure will work out. I know Mordin said it would be years before a full cure is made, but he could still have made progress on it.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 décembre 2011 - 05:20 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

I also think it would actually be a fairly astute way of allowing the player to opt for a more or less emotional Miranda, since this is one of those areas where fans of the character tend to have divergent views. So, if it does work that way, I think I might approve. I've always been in favor of having that option.

This worries me because if things like this are implemented they'll be done just as simplistically as the moral choice thing I was going on about a few days ago, with false dichotomies and whatnot. Already we're referring to "more/less" emotional Miranda without the refinement of "more/less willing to share her hopes and dreams with those close to her (i.e. Shepard)" vs "closer/further from breaking down whenever something hits too close to home" (just to start). I think things like this should be less under the player's control and either more randomized or ambiguous enough to allow for different interpretations.

[AgitatedLemon]

more/less willing to share her hopes and dreams with those close to her (i.e. Shepard)" vs "closer/further from breaking down whenever something hits too close to home

I would prefer this over a happy/sad/angry gauge.

[flemm]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@flemm

In regard to your possible spoiler, are you saying that stopping/allowing Miranda to kill Niket could change Miranda's... for lack of a better term... emotional level? Stopping/allowing could make her more/less emotional?

Well, keep in mind, it's hard to tell what causes what in the script, so we are just speculating. In that sense, it's hardly even a spoiler.

Basically, there are some dialog options that seem to vary according to Miranda's level of attachment to Oriana. So, logically, it seems like that might stem from something on her LM. Not so much Niket, though anything is possible, I guess. It seems to me the choice to encourage her to speak to Oriana or not might be the one.

CrutchCricket wrote...
This worries me because if things like this are implemented they'll be done just as simplistically as the moral choice thing I was going on about a few days ago, with false dichotomies and whatnot.

Well, I understand the danger you're referring to, and I could see that as a risk. But I don't think it would have to work that way. It could be more a question of degree, or emphasis. Meaning that there is always a mix of emotion and logic, but just a different mix.

It's really emphasis that people tend to disagree about anyway. I rarely, if ever, hear anyone arguing that Miranda, for example, should have no emotional attachment to her sister, or that she should be entirely dominated by sentiment. It's more a question of what each individual sees as the perfect mixture.

I'll give a spoilery example from the leaked script...


At one point, when Miranda is about to go off and confront her father/attempt to save Oriana, there seem to be two parallel lines. I'm paraphrasing, but basically one is "I've put off confronting my father for too long, I have to deal with this." While the other is basically "I can't think about anything else until Ori is safe."

The second line, especially with the use of the nickname, seems to suggest the more intimate relationship brought about by speaking with Oriana, while the other option puts the emphasis more on defeating the father.

Modifié par flemm, 24 décembre 2011 - 05:59 .